Simpsons Mafia (Game Over)

[ribwich]

Hmm...interesting choice of characters you just put there. I have role related info that suggests that either there are kids in the mafia or that there's a second scum group made up entirely of kids. I find it very interesting that you chose two kids that you're surprised would have scum roles, almost as if you know one of them is a scum role.

[ribwich]

EBWOP: two kids that you're

not

surprised would have scum roles

[Deer]

I can see Willie as scum, or at least as a great fakeclaim.

[DarlaBlueEyes]

wow. Talk about looking for a devil behind every bush, Rib.

Bart and Lisa are like the main characters aside from Homer (I have only seen a handful of eps, so pardon my ignorance if that's not as acturate as it seems) I was simply using them as a reference that just because someone is a good-guy in the show doesn't mean they'd be cast as one in the game or vice-versa, and just what kind of info do you have? If that's a soft claim is a terrible one.

[tvellalott]

V/LA until for the next 24 hours

I'm sorry about the lack of activity and the crappy contribution people. Flat out at work and struggling to keep up with the many posts and directions with my limited time. Loving the game though.
After tomorrow, I'll be able to dedicate significantly more. Promise.

[tvellalott]

EBWOP: -until

[ribwich]

Darla, I get what you were saying in that post, I just find it interesting that those happened to be the two characters you picked. I know if I was making a statement like that, Homer and Bart would be the first to come to mind. The fact that you chose two children made me think there's a chance that you purposely picked good guy characters that you know are going to be scum. I'm not saying its a for sure thing, but its a big enough coincidence that I think I need to take another look at you.

My role suggests the existance of scum children. That's all I'm going to say about it.

[Steven Hacking]

Hi Everyone in Simpson's Mafia land, why are we getting so fixated on the flavor? I honestly don't think focusing on flavor will get us very far. The Simpsons has run for 20+ seasons, do you really think that through all of those story arcs there are characters who are plainly "good" or "evil?" And that's not even mentioning all the Halloween episodes, which fans of the series will know aren't considered cannon, but at the same time do provide a wealth of possibilities, none the least of which include alternate dimensions, evil twins, doctors who practice medicine w/o licenses... etc. I've watch most of the early episodes until the show started to slip, just to be clear. Anyway, how abouts we get back to the scum hunting?

@Nacho Re:tvella - Nice work. I went back and read over tvella's posting to see if you were missing any important parts, or neglecting some helpful insights to make him look bad, but there really wasn't much more he's posted. I'd still like to see more from Deer and hear what other people think of his play, but I'd support lynching tvella come deadline.

[jasonT1981]

Boberz, again, what gives you the impression that Tragedy plays for survival regardless of alignment?

I have done this already. Tragedy has no incentive to deliberately look to want to survive. Tragedy is clearly attempting to appear this way (the shameless OMGUS for example) therefore I conclude that tragedy wants to look like somebody who is a survivalist. Therefore tragedy must have survivalist tendancies. Do not ask again, it is distracting and pointless.

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On the Darla stuff. A few things:

Firstly that wagon cleared so quickly that if Darla is scum then I am betting that somebody who came off the wagon is bussing scum looking for an excuse to jump off it.

Secondly I do not think it should be treated as a pre L-1 vote, I believe Darla thought it was L-1 and his lack of awareness ingame is evidence to support this theory.

Thirdly Groundskeeper Willy is 'bad' in several episodes (if I remember correctly, my simpsons is a bit rusty) and certainly does not fit what I would imagine as a VT in this game.

Fourthly, for those of us not enlightened, what is so town like about DBE according to those fleeing his wagon?

Emergency V/LA - Some issues have been brewing for the last month and come to a head today that have resulted in me having stacks of paperwork to do, as well as having to explore legal options and am stressed to hell with the situation.

Will reply to Sotty quickly though.

Sotty, yes I have played DTM before, but without going looking through past games I do not actually have a meta on him.. Sorry, but I just don't remember everything people have done in past games that I have played with as town or scum. So if your asking do I have meta on DTM, no sorry I don't...just because I have played before with them does not mean I have a meta read.. especially with it being two people on the account also and not only DTM..

the only people in this game I actually have any sort of Meta on is yourself and Zach as I have played you both so much. I still do say you are town

Anyway, I do agree on Darla. I have had my say on her and my reasons are clear.

unvote
vote: Darla

^proof the Darla wagon is stinking of scum.

Boberz's wagonvote based on Meta is awful. Jason's is an obvsheep. I'm ok with a lynch on either of them.

Really? oh really? how is it OBVSheep? considering I have had Darla pegged as scum from early on in the game

http://www.mafiascum.net/forum/viewtopi ... 9#p2721169
http://www.mafiascum.net/forum/viewtopi ... 7#p2721667
http://www.mafiascum.net/forum/viewtopi ... 1#p2721671
http://www.mafiascum.net/forum/viewtopi ... 8#p2715038

And I love this one, from DH, right after me talking about Darla in one of the above linked posts which kinda proves your point is invalid.

Jason, you commented on NOTHING but her AtE. Lets be real.

Also, Didden had tried to make me look bad earlier again on Dalra saying I was fence sitting when I had already said I could see her as scum. Didden is trying to push things on me that are not true, I am getting some heat from Sotty and Steven and I see him as being opertunistic trying to join but make it look like he has reasoning.

So no, I am not Obvsheeping... I have been on Darla from early on in the game, I had a vote on her too earlier on in the game. So why is it OBVSheeping when I put my vote back on her with my reasons being clear from early on?

Also to SottyRulez which I find highly ironic and funny

And where the hell is Jason? Usually by now he'd be eager to get his vote on Kagelord for that rolefishing post.

considering only

FIVE posts before

I had posted this.

Emergency V/LA - Some issues have been brewing for the last month and come to a head today that have resulted in me having stacks of paperwork to do, as well as having to explore legal options and am stressed to hell with the situation.

Will reply to Sotty quickly though.

Sotty, yes I have played DTM before, but without going looking through past games I do not actually have a meta on him.. Sorry, but I just don't remember everything people have done in past games that I have played with as town or scum. So if your asking do I have meta on DTM, no sorry I don't...just because I have played before with them does not mean I have a meta read.. especially with it being two people on the account also and not only DTM..

the only people in this game I actually have any sort of Meta on is yourself and Zach as I have played you both so much. I still do say you are town

Anyway, I do agree on Darla. I have had my say on her and my reasons are clear.

unvote
vote: Darla

Oh dear, was that Zach (Yes, I assume Zach posted this as Sotty knew what my RL issues were at time of me making my V/LA post as I was talking to her about them at the time) missing a post... Something SottyRulez has been bent out of shape on me about?

Will hopefully be back on this evening, still got limited access due to on going issues. Looking at the claim in more detail, but Darla said she was breadcrumbing Willy with her first post, it is similar to what he said in the Xfiles ep.. however alot of me feels it could be a fake claim with fake breadcrumbs.

Kage wanting a claim so early is also quite interesting. More thoughts on both this evening I hope.

Sorry, everyone. I will explain my situation in full at the end of the game, some major shit has gone down here that needs legal options explored and my head is everywhere at the minute with it.

[SensFan]

Really sorry. I promise, I'll catch up. If I don't have content up within 24 hours, lynch me.

[KageLord]

wow. Talk about looking for a devil behind every bush, Rib.

Bart and Lisa are like the main characters aside from Homer (I have only seen a handful of eps, so pardon my ignorance if that's not as acturate as it seems) I was simply using them as a reference that just because someone is a good-guy in the show doesn't mean they'd be cast as one in the game or vice-versa, and just what kind of info do you have? If that's a soft claim is a terrible one.

I wonder why you wouldn't put Homer, Marge, or Flanders in that case. Any of the Flanders are created to be good. Marge is almost always good. Homer... isn't evil, just kind of realistic in his morals. Lisa is almost always good. Bart... would be the most likely scum out of the family considering he's a hellraiser. Still, all flavor speculation is kind of useless. Just interesting that you would put Bart in with Lisa as surprising scum chars.

Rib, I'm not sure that her putting kids there would be scum play though. If Bart and Lisa are indeed the scum chars, why would scum suggest them? That kind of forces fakeclaims by them when they could have possibly gotten away with actually claiming Bart and Lisa before. I'm not sure that I understand why scum would give up that info voluntarily.

[Wraith]

Okay we're getting a little off-track here. Less speculation on possible fake-claims, more speculation on player alignments.

[sottyrulez]

Hey Jason. I didn't miss your post. It wasn't the fact that you weren't posting, it's that you weren't attacking Kagelord for rolefishing, which is something I've seen town Jason attack full on in over eager type manner.

[Scott Brosius]

Vote Count 13

Benmage(0)-
boberz(1)- SensFan,
DarlaBlueEyes(5)- KageLord, boberz, tvellalott, sottyrulez , jasonT1981,
Deer(1)-Steven Hacking,
DemonHybrid(0)-
diddin(0)-
Fuzzy Beavers(0)-
Guderian(1)-hiraki
hiraki(6)- Mariyta, Benmage, Guderian, ribwich, DarlaBlueEyes, Wraith,
jasonT1981(2)- diddin, Nero Cain,
KageLord(1)-Fuzzy Beavers,
LlamaFluff(0)-
Mariyta(0)-
Nachomamma8(0)-
Nero Cain(1)-Deer,
ribwich(0)-
SensFan(0)-
Sleepless Assassin(0)-
sottyrulez(0)-
Steven Hacking(0)-
The Fonz(0)-
Tragedy(1)-Sleepless Assassin,
tvellalott(3)- Nachomamma8, DemonHybrid, LlamaFluff,
Wraith(1)-The Fonz,


Not Voting(1)-Tragedy,

With 24 alive, it's 13 to lynch. Deadline is January 27th at 1pm (EST)

Guderian will be replaced.

[Mariyta]

Initially, Darla's comment gave me a WTF moment. But the more I think on it, it's not all that strange for her to pull out Bart and Lisa. They may possibly be the most popular characters on the show. I do wish Ribwich had kept that bit about his role to himself for now, though.

[ribwich]

Rib, I'm not sure that her putting kids there would be scum play though. If Bart and Lisa are indeed the scum chars, why would scum suggest them? That kind of forces fakeclaims by them when they could have possibly gotten away with actually claiming Bart and Lisa before. I'm not sure that I understand why scum would give up that info voluntarily.

I was thinking more in line with the idea that it could be slip up. She was trying to quickly think of two good guy characters that she wouldn't be surprised to see as scum, and her mind instantly went to her buddies. If this is what happened, it does give us an extra advantage because of what you mentioned, but I don't think there was any plan to it.

[boberz]

Boberz's wagonvote based on Meta is awful.

based on meta??? Where has anything I have done been based on meta. I dont even have meta, unless I am mistaken?
Atleast read the wagon correctly before you criticise it.

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@Darla, you cannot make a flavour claim then moan when people analyse the flavour.

[The Fonz]

Rib, I'm not sure that her putting kids there would be scum play though. If Bart and Lisa are indeed the scum chars, why would scum suggest them? That kind of forces fakeclaims by them when they could have possibly gotten away with actually claiming Bart and Lisa before. I'm not sure that I understand why scum would give up that info voluntarily.

I was thinking more in line with the idea that it could be slip up. She was trying to quickly think of two good guy characters that she wouldn't be surprised to see as scum, and her mind instantly went to her buddies. If this is what happened, it does give us an extra advantage because of what you mentioned, but I don't think there was any plan to it.

That's a really unlikely scenario, and the penalty of giving up role information (see above, town players letting slip role info unnecessarily is imho one of the biggest causes of the high scum win rate on site) is far greater than

unvote, vote Kagelord.

Wraith's been better since I pointed him out. Don't particularly like the Hiraki wagon, though all my reads are pretty weak here. On the fence about tvellalot. I've repeatedly come close to voting him, then he's come out with something decent. I've seen nothing to make me think town on Kage.

[LlamaFluff]

Can we please stop talking about flavor? You can justify anyone in this series as good or evil with about ten seconds of thought.

I would be down to lynch any of: tvell, SA, kage, NC

This game needs a serious wagon, and any of those four are prime candidates

[boberz]

Other than one post on Hiraki, has Wraith really got better? He has tried to look better, with comments on the claim then moaning about claim speculation.

[sottyrulez]

Unvote: Vote: KageLord

[Wraith]

Other than one post on Hiraki, has Wraith really got better? He has tried to look better, with comments on the claim then moaning about claim speculation.

Class has restarted today (8AM class=MURDER). I don't have one until 6PM tomorrow, so I'll go a little more in-depth then. Right now I really don't have much else to say in short.

[sottyrulez]

I'm still on board for DBE. Either she's scum or she's just completely flighty and confused town. Since there is no way to prove that the latter is actually the case, I don't mind lynching her. If she flips scum, hurray. If she flips town, we at least didn't lose anyone that would be of much help to us.

Btw, Darla, I'm not entirely sure how much you know about mafia protocol, but if you get close to being lynched and someone expresses intent to hammer, you should claim your role.

Hopefully I'll get an ISO of her when Diff Eq isn't being so time-consuming.

This post stinks....

Maybe it's because you reason away her lynch as either flip. Maybe it is

because you seem over eager for a role claim

, or maybe it is because I even forgot you were in this game.

Other than Darla who are your scum reads and why?

Right now I really don't like how Kage pushes for a claim and then gets one right away.

How can I control Darla being a complete noob? I would think that any reasonable person would check how many votes are on their wagon before assuming they are at L-1 and claiming. Did she really think she had gone from 3 votes to L-1 in one page? Anyway, clearly the reasoning for that part of the post (that she's dazed and confused) has been proven accurate by her premature claim.

Read:

It's not my fault she claimed, even though I suggested it was a good idea by implying that she was close to lynch when it wasn't entirely true.

[sottyrulez]

More Kagelord gems.

Great. Now I don't know if the scummy play was a result of noobishness and personal stuff or actually being scum.

I'm still on board for DBE. Either she's scum or she's just completely flighty and confused town. Since there is no way to prove that the latter is actually the case, I don't mind lynching her. If she flips scum, hurray. If she flips town, we at least didn't lose anyone that would be of much help to us.

Already covered for the rolefishing, but quoted this portion again to point out more Kagelord uncertainty awesomeness.

Rib, I'm not sure that her putting kids there would be scum play though. If Bart and Lisa are indeed the scum chars, why would scum suggest them? That kind of forces fakeclaims by them when they could have possibly gotten away with actually claiming Bart and Lisa before. I'm not sure that I understand why scum would give up that info voluntarily.

More apparent uncertainty yet the vote remains. To me it appears Kage is hedging his bets on pushing for a Darla lynch, yet distancing himself from it all the same.

[LlamaFluff]

unvote
Vote Kage

Wagon winner! Tvell can just be bullet winner.