Simpsons Mafia (Game Over)

[Wraith]

Darla's good vigbait. I think Hiraki's good for today, and since this game has slowed to a snail's pace I think it's about time we wrapped the day up.

[boberz]

Mist, please do a little bit of thinking.

[Deer]

Mist is slowly creepin up that scumlist of mine.

[Mist7676]

I'm sorry I just lost capicity to think. I'll be more active tommrow. How about we just no lynch??

[Mariyta]

I'm sorry

I just lost capicity to think

. I'll be more active tommrow. How about we just no lynch??

QFT. No lynch is not an option at this stage in the game.

[SensFan]

Are there 12 other people willing to just wagon mist in the next 6 dayss?

[KageLord]

I'm sorry I just lost capicity to think. I'll be more active tommrow. How about we just no lynch??

VI or SI confirmed.

Btw, Darla, I'm not entirely sure how much you know about mafia protocol, but if you get close to being lynched and someone expresses intent to hammer, you should claim your role.

I didn't originally interpret this as trying to get her to claim early, but with how many people have said they did I thought I should probably look at this again. The thing that sticks out to me is that not only was DBE nowhere near L-1, she wasn't even the current vote leader. (Hiraki had one more vote than her at the time) So Kage, what was the point of this post if you weren't trying to confuse DBE into claiming her role?

Tbh, I wasn't sure how many votes were on DBE at that point, but I did know that the wagon was at least growing and it seemed like she would be vote leader soon if she wasn't already. The point was, in the event that the wagon grew at a faster rate, DBE would know what to do. The post assumed she was unfamiliar with mafia protocol and clearly that has been proven correct. This was to avoid a situation in which she was actually a town PR but didn't know that she was supposed to claim if she was about to be lynched.

The following is WIFOMy but: why would scum openly try to coax a claim? It would obviously attract attention if something went wrong (as it did) and seems to me at least like too risky of a move for scum Day 1 when it is not even close to necessary. Again, check my scum meta to see if I like to make risky moves or not (the one risky move I made was on like Day 3 or 4 to lynch MoI and pretty much secure scum victory).

[LlamaFluff]

More Hiraki votes, please. Darla is not the play for today and I really don't see the case against Kage. Is it just for that "He suggested Darla claim, so she claimed" thing?

First, Hikari isnt that great of a wagon. The wagon on him is full of people that make me feel uneasy. You also are ignoring quite a few of the points:

Early in the game kage didnt do all that much. His first few points he pushes are that people have connections to eachother, not who is scum. Even with the connections he points out he fails to take a stance on the people. Eventually there is a weak vote on DBE

The first one obviously features sheeping prominently ("Ditto the crowd" doesn't help Darla's case), but that in itself isn't much of a scum tell since many people could be considered sheeping on that vote and we can't really tell apart those who were serious and those who were opportunistic. However, when seen with this second quote... that seems like major backtracking. Also no reason on the new wagon vote (following DH and The Fonz).

The first quote was a DBE sheeping everyone asking for FB head claim, later she unvoted and moved to boberz. It was not backtracking like claimed by kage though. Backtracking owuld have been along the lines of "oh never mind you dont need to claim", she actually said that she did not find FB scummy, and that was why she is unvoting.

After that kage goes right back to connections and some theory talk. Almost a week into the game and the one post is all the scumhunting that kage has actually done. That one four line quote. Soon after, we get...

Great. Now I don't know if the scummy play was a result of noobishness and personal stuff or actually being scum.

So now Kage is just bouncing around between top suspects DBE, Hikari and jason. Still not scumhunting, and more making noise with small things that are incosequent to anything at this point in the game.

I'm still on board for DBE. Either she's scum or she's just completely flighty and confused town. Since there is no way to prove that the latter is actually the case, I don't mind lynching her. If she flips scum, hurray. If she flips town, we at least didn't lose anyone that would be of much help to us.

While everyone was all into the claim thing, this part is FAR more important. Kage is justifying a lynch on DBE because he is either scum or town that will not be useful. At this point instead of scumhunting, he is trying to push what is more of a policy lynch on someone, and prematurely making sure that a town flip wont give him any flack.

Eventually he pushed somewhat of a case on Hikari, although it basically is the way Hikari has been presenting reads

As I said before, Hiraki was my #2 scum read. Main reason at this point is that 2 of his "____ needs to die" reads have now seemingly become neutral reads as there is no steam on their wagons (DH and tvella).

So changing reads makes him Kages second pick because those types of reads "shouldnt be taken lightly"

So read over kage. He has done next to nothing in the form of scumhunting, and always has justification to vote whoever is a hot topic at the time.

[Mariyta]

I have read over Kage, hence my "I don't see the case" comment. I see your points, but I still think Hiraki is scummier. And Hiraki has done absolutely nothing to change my mind about it.

[Wraith]

I'm sorry I just lost capicity to think. I'll be more active tommrow.

How about we just no lynch??

What the fuck...? Maybe you should have just joined a newbie game before you replaced into a large theme, buddy. Sorry if I sound a little harsh.

[SensFan]

I just checked the Queue thread, and I'm not buying this dumb act. The Mod told him he couldn't replace in unless he was an alt.

[DemonHybrid]

Unvote

Mari, I honestly think you would have used Mist's newbie comment to push scumminess against her, but since you haven't, my suspicion is lessened.

[Mariyta]

I don't think she's necessarily scum. I think she's just lazy, or based on SensFan's comment, maybe trying to push our buttons and/or gather reactions.

[Scott Brosius]

Lowell replaces Fuzzy Beavers effective immediately.

[diddin]

Mist is either one of the biggest morons on the site, one of the laziest people on the site, or trolling. I don't know how you people can take the no lynch suggestion seriously with what she has already said.

[SensFan]

Unvote; Vote: Mist

. May as well put my money where my mouth is.

As we get closer to deadline, I will be moving my vote onto to any wagon to ensure a lynch.

[boberz]

Nobody has articulated to my satisfation why DBE's claim suddenly made everyone bugger off his wagon.

[LlamaFluff]

Nobody has articulated to my satisfation why DBE's claim suddenly made everyone bugger off his wagon.

Im going to say because it was a really bad wagon to start.

[sottyrulez]

I have read over Kage, hence my "I don't see the case" comment. I see your points, but I still think Hiraki is scummier. And Hiraki has done absolutely nothing to change my mind about it.

Why is Hikari scummier than Kagelord?

[Mist7676]

Ok I said that because since we are apperently getting no where right now I thought we could no lynch but starting now I will stop trolling. I will be taking this seriously. This thread is now Bookmarked so I'll be checking often.

[ribwich]

I just checked the Queue thread, and I'm not buying this dumb act. The Mod told him he couldn't replace in unless he was an alt.

I was thinking this too until I noticed these threads.

http://www.mafiascum.net/forum/viewtopi ... 11&start=0
http://www.mafiascum.net/forum/viewtopi ... 75&start=0
http://www.mafiascum.net/forum/viewtopi ... 10&t=16176

After seeing some of the posts in those, this behavior isn't all that surprising. It's possible that this is somebody screwing around with an alt, but if it is I think that was planned before a role was even given out.

[KageLord]

Early in the game kage didnt do all that much. His first few points he pushes are that people have connections to eachother, not who is scum. Even with the connections he points out he fails to take a stance on the people. Eventually there is a weak vote on DBE

The first one obviously features sheeping prominently ("Ditto the crowd" doesn't help Darla's case), but that in itself isn't much of a scum tell since many people could be considered sheeping on that vote and we can't really tell apart those who were serious and those who were opportunistic. However, when seen with this second quote... that seems like major backtracking. Also no reason on the new wagon vote (following DH and The Fonz).

The first quote was a DBE sheeping everyone asking for FB head claim, later she unvoted and moved to boberz. It was not backtracking like claimed by kage though. Backtracking owuld have been along the lines of "oh never mind you dont need to claim", she actually said that she did not find FB scummy, and that was why she is unvoting.

The backtracking comment wasn't in response to the unvote, but to her exact words. Check out my post again and see the use of the word "confusion". In the first one she seems to use FB bringing confusion as a reason to vote him (something like "BEAVER BRINGS CONFUSION. KILL IT."). Next one she says all he has done wrong is brought confusion, which is no reason to find him scummy. See the change there? She did also mention unvoting with a claim but unvoted without the claim anyway (lesser point here). And as mentioned at the end of my post, she gave no reason to join the new wagon, which is just a bit worse than "Ditto the crowd" in my book.

After that kage goes right back to connections and some theory talk. Almost a week into the game and the one post is all the scumhunting that kage has actually done. That one four line quote. Soon after, we get...

Great. Now I don't know if the scummy play was a result of noobishness and personal stuff or actually being scum.

So now Kage is just bouncing around between top suspects DBE, Hikari and jason. Still not scumhunting, and more making noise with small things that are incosequent to anything at this point in the game.

Er, I don't know where you're looking but I'm pretty sure I didn't mention Hiraki or jason at that point. My main suspect continued to be DBE and I thought it was pretty strong up to that point, so I didn't have much motivation to look for immediate other targets. The rest of the posts were actually comments on what was being discussed in the game. Don't know how that's not relevant. Now, I'll admit I definitely haven't done as much as I could have in the way of scumhunting, but that is not real reasoning as to why someone is scum. If it was, I'm pretty sure we would have at least 6-7 scum in this game.

I'm still on board for DBE. Either she's scum or she's just completely flighty and confused town. Since there is no way to prove that the latter is actually the case, I don't mind lynching her. If she flips scum, hurray. If she flips town, we at least didn't lose anyone that would be of much help to us.

While everyone was all into the claim thing, this part is FAR more important. Kage is justifying a lynch on DBE because he is either scum or town that will not be useful. At this point instead of scumhunting, he is trying to push what is more of a policy lynch on someone, and prematurely making sure that a town flip wont give him any flack.

If that's how it reads to you, there's nothing I can do to change that. I don't mind policy lynching VIs D1 (in both of my last 2 games as scum, town left a VI alive for too long and it cost them the game, which is why I might have more of a bias toward it at this point and why I probably wouldn't have minded a Mist lynch if Mist had been around since early day). The point I was trying to make was that she either looked scummy for actually being scum or for being a VI and in either case she was definitely more of a liability to town than an asset. Give me all the flack you want if she flips town and you think I made a mistake by pushing her.

Eventually he pushed somewhat of a case on Hikari, although it basically is the way Hikari has been presenting reads

As I said before, Hiraki was my #2 scum read. Main reason at this point is that 2 of his "____ needs to die" reads have now seemingly become neutral reads as there is no steam on their wagons (DH and tvella).

So changing reads makes him Kages second pick because those types of reads "shouldnt be taken lightly"

So read over kage. He has done next to nothing in the form of scumhunting, and always has justification to vote whoever is a hot topic at the time.

Again, I admit that I haven't done as much scumhunting as I could, but that isn't a reason for a lynch. Also note that your insinuation about "whoever is a hot topic" is bust since I started Darla's wagon and have never been on jason's, beaver's, or boberz's (in fact, I have only been on Darla this entire game and the only one I have said I would be okay with joining is Hiraki) and I'm pretty sure they were all hot topic at one point or another.

[Nero Cain]

@Deer: I was never too good at translating emoticons... Are you saying that Deer is scummy for this?

no. It was more like "his case on me is stupid". But I do think he's fairly scummy and should be a potential lynch candidate.

Nero, why is Tragedy being new a town tell?

Not sure where I used the word town...

I have a new read on Tragedy.

Nope I didn't so why would you misrep me like that?

Also, don't get me wrong. That wasn't a defense of Wraith, however, I wanted to give you food for thought when it comes to him. That's his natural playstyle and he HAS been town when he's played like that.

I personally find Wraith extremely hard to read, so I'm unsure of him.

I agree however just b/c he

might

be town doesn't mean he's on a safe list. But if he's not going to play he'll just end up being a liability in end game.

fNero - needs far more content, don't like how he accuses me of scum going after less experienced player though in ISO 10.

Yeah 'cause its totally impossible for scum to go after VIs.

Hi Everyone in Simpson's Mafia land, why are we getting so fixated on the flavor? I honestly don't think focusing on flavor will get us very far. The Simpsons has run for 20+ seasons, do you really think that through all of those story arcs there are characters who are plainly "good" or "evil?" And that's not even mentioning all the Halloween episodes, which fans of the series will know aren't considered cannon, but at the same time do provide a wealth of possibilities, none the least of which include alternate dimensions, evil twins, doctors who practice medicine w/o licenses... etc. I've watch most of the early episodes until the show started to slip, just to be clear. Anyway, how abouts we get back to the scum hunting?

Theme game=flavor. If flavor didn't matter in a theme game whats the point of making it themed? I do agree with that's there's alot of possibilities b/c the show has ran for a long ass time but I'm fairly sure that certain characters will fit along their alignments such as that guy that stalks Bart would deff be mafia.


Deer doesn't exactly strike me as pro-town. I wouldn't be sad to see him go.

Wraith either.

I'm still down for a Jason lynch.

[Nero Cain]

RE Mist is really an alt

While the mod DID say that he wouldn't let her play unless she was an alt she also said

Awww well i have played forum mafia on another site. I just joined here. I can prove it to you if u want i have links to them. Im just new here but i get all of the mafiascum stuff. I read the entire wiki. Quiz me if you want.

@Mist can I get a link to said offsite games

@Mod Is that the reason you let her in the game b/c she had played offsite?

She has sufficient offsite experience.

[Mariyta]

Theme game=flavor. If flavor didn't matter in a theme game whats the point of making it themed?

Thank you! I've seen the "You can't trust flavor" argument so many times, it's ridiculous. We're playing a

themed game

for a reason. If we didn't want decent flavor, we'd go play normal.

@Sotty (I think it was Sotty): I posted my case against Hiraki in this post, and nothing has changed. He's hardly participated since then and has done nothing to change my opinion of him. No one else is scummier than that.