Mafia of the Chosen Ones (Game Over!)

[Furcolow]

did you read andrius's post?
like.. where it said they suspect scum can't do the improved halo?

....just sayin'

[RayFrost]

Oh. I must have overlooked that due to extreme nonsense. It's a baseless assumption, considering the fact that it's allowed in Moho.

[Furcolow]

I love how you have such intricate knowledge of what scum can do, and you've been an FoS of mine all game.

[RayFrost]

Wanna know why I've got such "intricate knowledge" of this stuff? I read this entire fucking post where Vi outlines

all

of the powers available to both seraphs. I'm just assuming that Vi didn't change anything drastically from Moho. I may be wrong, but I doubt that Vi would change the fact scum have/had access to halos when it's something that wasn't majorly used in moho and certainly wasn't a power that made anything imbalanced.

[RayFrost]

As for the scum NK failing to resolve, I've already outlined how it's simply ridiculous from a balance perspective to allow scum to NK their teammates by accident.

[RayFrost]

Simply put, hito has presented

no evidence whatsoever

to show that he is the town seraph, and he has also failed to present any proof that scum are incapable of doing these things or even provide some logical backing to how it makes sense.

[Furcolow]

who is to say it isn't a contrived misrepresentation Andrius is fully capable of pulling off?
You have to take that kind of thing with a grain of salt.
However, we are testing the claim, and you are acting extremely anti-town with the appearance of being town.
Also, I disagree on that not being used a lot in MoHO.... it was.

[RayFrost]

Sorry, I meant

was not used a lot by scum

in Moho, making taking it away rather pointless.

How am I acting anti-town, exactly?

P.s. - sleep for me, have a hug, a kiss, and a chocolate yam. (all of these are foods, google hershey's hugs/kisses for evidence)

[RayFrost]

who is to say it isn't a contrived misrepresentation Andrius is fully capable of pulling off?
You have to take that kind of thing with a grain of salt.

My saying "don't make assumptions that hito is town" = not giving a grain of salt with this? I'm not saying "omfg, hito is the scum seraph" - I'm saying "Hito, I don't see evidence for you being the town seraph, can you provide some?" I also asked some other questions. Do you feel they are bad/scummy/etc or are you just focusing on a

single point I made

and blowing it up into a big whole thing about how I'm being paranoid and anti-town? Seems like the latter over the former. Hows abouts you take two grains of salt and see me when I wake up, mmkay?

[Furcolow]

i was wanting to see how you would react
nice backtrack

how about you actually scumhunt instead of speculating?
top 3 suspects before you go

[Furcolow]

and dont refer me to anything
i want the here and now

[RayFrost]

BS, ss, nacho.

In that order.

[Furcolow]

why not VV and then you could be like SS sheeping hito's reads while not providing any input nor admitting you're sheeping hito's reads

[inHimshallibe]

THE GODS HAVE HEARD OUR PRAYERS, AND ANDRIUS IS A WORTHY VESSEL FOR THE CAUSE.

I'll catch up today. Swearz.

[mothrax]

Furc, rayfrost is town and has been calling for BS and SS scum since D2.

[Furcolow]

im not that serious with him, i'm more reaction testing, but thanks

[Andrius]

OUR SERAPHS SPEAK. HEAR THE WORDS OF OUR SOVERIGNS:

[Andrius]

The Word of Hito

ATTN: GOD - Do you have any reasons to believe I'm SK other than this "AGM wasn't here" nonsense?

Nonsense? It seems pretty strong from where I'm sitting...

Regardless, all we're saying is that you are presently our most likely suspect for SK. Of course the evidence isn't decisive.I 'm certainty not 100% you're the serial killer, but you are the most likely candidate. If you're not the SK, find out who is.

I still disagree with you, and a Seraph it appears.
To me it doesn't make sense any other way but for Fate to be a cross kill.
Of course me and sense don't always meet.

...

Though I am surprised that Hito didn't claim and clarify any halo's he might have sent. (Since the other seraph will already know)

There are no kills as of yet that are attributable to us. If you think "Attempted the Impossible!" is the nk, than what the hell are "Sniped" and "Incinerated"? Do we have two scum vigs running around? .-.

Look at the evidence. We have one kill that's only happened on even days, one that only happens on odd days, and one that has happened on both. Even scum, odd scum, sk.

And as Furc says, we've claimed the only halo we used - the double-halo on RF. Every other one has been scum.

Also, how sure are we that Andrius is town and that we can trust the Seraph's read on him?

Andrius is capital-C-Confirmed-town. Seraph shenanigans. Hence the Communion on him today.

Also, are you allowed to, I dunno... give some cases for us to understand your reasoning behind your associations and shiznit? Just saying "connectionz be existin' yo" doesn't exactly convince me regarding VV. I can already see SS, and I've been howling for BS long since.

If you were forced to cast the seraph kill on one of your three scumspects, which would you choose? What does people not posting during the D1 quicklynch tell you about them? It seems null to me - multi-man scumteams an sich + people can be present without posting. Besides that, do you have absolute confirmation that scum did not perform a NK during the first night? As I have already showed, it is possible that scum hit scum on the other team for a null effect.

Part of abstaining from any formal cases was in the interest of brevity - we wanted the absolutely most important bits in that first post. More than that, though, is the simple truth that cases are lengthy to write. It's hard enough for players in the game to write cases. Then, try writing a case where you're forced to do it in a quicktopic instead of the forum, and add the actual duties of seraph-dom on top of them.

We can give you the sparknotes of the VV case, though. His ISO 10 smells very scummy - "I'll 'like' the Kit wagon, but I'd rather be useless as fuck on my own wagon." He's literally only ever voted for townies. His Magua suspicions smells overdone; the scum who goes after deliberately obvtown targets to say "Hey, scum would go for the easy lynches, right?". His Andrius vote is even worse. He can't even muster the energy to make up a convincing case, but he's making sure to stick to the narrative of "misguided townie".

As for the kills, we have virtually absolute confirmation scum didn't kill N1. We have no kills in the air ourselves. "Attempted the Impossible!" has hit on even AND odd nights. For that to be the scumkill, you then must posit a Serial Killer that has inexplicably held to even or odd days and THEN scum having access to another killing role. To find an alternate interpretation of one kill, you must interpret all three, and odd scum/even scum/sk is the only breakdown that makes sense.

Oh, I just realized something.

Do we actually have confirmation that you are the town seraph? I checked moho, and it's actually cheaper for scum to use communion, and it is a power available to them, so I don't see any direct evidence that

you are the town seraph

.

We can confirm later, if it comes to that. We're sitting in the catbird seat right now - many seraph powers become considerably stronger when the seraph has unfettered access to the thread. It's very likely the scum will want to put an end to this as soon as possible. If not, we'll confirm ourselves with some action or another. (Shame we already used Prophecy...a nice, cheap confirmation tactic. Ah well.) At the moment, our faith took a huge hit with that Communion and we'd like to recover.

Also, do you have any

town reads

you want to share?

Think of what exactly it is Seraph's

do

and you should be able to figure out pretty quickly why we're not naming our town reads.

Equinox was alive D2. Equinox was doc D2. This is as simple an explanation for the lack of a kill by the SK as AGM-SK that was away.

Again, I'm not saying we're 100% sure AGM is a SK. Ockham's razor is certainly cutting in to him, though. It

could

be anyone, but we

think

it's AGM. If you disagree, find out who you think it is! Because someone is the SK, and the fact that no evidence is perfect doesn't mean we shouldn't take the best we got.

[Andrius]

A Word from Sotty7

For Halo clarification, we only sent two. The double halo on RayFrost's post 547 were both ours. The rest are scum halos.

^^Sotty

[Andrius]

ss and AGM's reactions to the Seraph thing are off. I think we have scumbags there.
I'd definitely be dropping my vote if I were a normal townie, and not the

Voice of The Heavens

. I follow instructions.

RayFrost seems MORE town to me by his actions on 41. Baby Spice is sucking up bad. Not sure what's up with Nacho, but there's definitely scum in him and VV, which is a good start. ss is probable scum too, tbh.

AGM WHY YOU ALWAYS 3RD PARTY BRO?

Vas' absence is noted.

[Andrius]

The Word of Zach

I've been discussing with my counterparts that I find Baby Spice scum to be problematic due to her day 1 lynch -1 vote on Vezok in a situation where it's probable the scum's kill didn't get sent in on time. Why vote in that position when you can stall the timing of the lynch a little bit by not acting?

The only situation where she could be scum would be with the non killing faction on day 1, and I have my doubts about that given her d1 actions.

[AlmasterGM]

AGM WHY YOU ALWAYS 3RD PARTY BRO?

I'M NOT YOU'VE GOT IT ALL WRONG. I SWEAR.

AND NOW I HAVE A HOLY MISSION TO GO FIND THE SK? WHICH WILL BE EXTREMELY DIFFICULT?

DEAR GOD.

WHY HATH THOUGH FORSAKEN ME.

Anywho, since I know from PERSONAL EXPERIENCE that this "who was online at what time" stuff doesn't always match up, I think we should just skip the spec and go with lynching the obvscum.

Aka singersinger/babyspice. VV I suck at reading, but he always seems scummy so I'd be down.

[Andrius]

ALMASTERGM!

YOU HAVE BEEN TASKED WITH A GREAT ENDEAVOUR.
YOU MUST FIND THE

HOLY GRAIL

SERIAL KILLER.

AND STOP GROVELLING.

[AlmasterGM]

Is that post from the Seraphs or Andrius?

[Andrius]

Me.
If its from them it'll have a tag in the area thing so you know its from The Higher Powers. You know the

THIS THING

Versus

I figured you'd enjoy the pic since you were God in the last game we played (and won) together.