Mafia of the Chosen Ones (Game Over!)

[Furcolow]

RF FoS on VV has me EVEN MORE SUSPICIOUS OF RF THAN I ALREADY WAS

PRO-TOWN DOES NOT EQUAL INNOCENT.

[singersigner]

AGM is at most mild scum.

SS and VV are superobvscum with special emphasis on the scum part for SS. At least one of these two is scum. For sure. 100%. Definitely.

K. So you've effectively said BOTH OF YOU HAVE TO BE SCUM TOGETHER WELL AT LEAST ONE OF YOU.

Check it. You're reading ISOs with confirmation bias according to what the Seraph's have said. There's no way anyone else can be scum now.

[Nachomamma8]

SS, you're blaming EVERYTHING on too many people sheeping the Seraphs, right?

Then explain this.
Yesterday:

VOTE: BabySpice cuz she's being crazy.

Today"
This was Seraph-approved.

VOTE: AlamasterGM

[singersigner]

I had been suspicious of/voting Baby Spice long before the Seraphs said anything, so that's null. And would be a pretty easy misrep of scum.

And you're right. The ONE person who I was chalking up to just being an idiot before the Seraph's laid out a case on anyone, I believed.

I DON'T THINK VV IS SCUM AND NEVER DID.

If you paid attention after the Seraph's posted their reads. Nearly EVERYONE agreed with all of them. I was the ONLY one of the Seraph's scumreads who actually had an opinion of their own.

Sure, AGM thought I was scummy before, but notice how he easily jumped on to the other reads so long as it would clear his name. He didn't vote for me or try to get on my wagon until AFTER I had called him out on it if he was "so sure" I was scum.

[singersigner]

RF, vote on Furc was to get answers, not because I thought he was scummy.

There's probably more to respond to, but that'll have to wait.

[AlmasterGM]

ITT: Nacho pwns singersinger.

[singersigner]

That doesn't even make sense.

[RayFrost]

RF, vote on Furc was to get answers, not because I thought he was scummy.

There's probably more to respond to, but that'll have to wait.

I know. That's my issue. You voted

someone you thought was town

for information rather than

attempting to convince people to vote who you thought was scum

.

[RayFrost]

K. So you've effectively said BOTH OF YOU HAVE TO BE SCUM TOGETHER WELL AT LEAST ONE OF YOU.

Check it. You're reading ISOs with confirmation bias according to what the Seraph's have said. There's no way anyone else can be scum now.

I find it highly likely that you are both scum. If neither of you are scum, I shall change my avatar to this or this of your choosing for a week.

I actually read the isos without considering what the seraphs said. They hardly said anything worth noting in the way of presenting cases. The fact they said "We think these people are scum" doesn't make them right. The fact said people have a series of scummy actions that make me suspicious of the aforementioned individuals does.

[RayFrost]

RF FoS on VV has me EVEN MORE SUSPICIOUS OF RF THAN I ALREADY WAS

PRO-TOWN DOES NOT EQUAL INNOCENT.

?

It's not a FoS. It's me outright saying that VV is scum. No qualifiers. I said the same about singer.

[Vi]

Vote Count XXIX:

Hope springs eternal

singersigner (L-2) ~ AlmasterGM, Nachomamma8, VasudeVa

AlmasterGM (L-3) ~ singersigner, Jack,

Furcolow

Furcolow (L-4) ~ mothrax
VasudeVa (L-4) ~ Furcolow

Not Voting:

inHimshallibe, RayFrost,

VasudeVa

AGM 0 | Furc 0 | inHim 2 | Jack 1 | moth 1 | Nacho 0 | Ray 0 | sinsig 0 | VV 0

--With 9 alive, it will take 5 to lynch.

--HOLY ORDER--

-Today is a double day! The battery has been refilled. The battery will not reset in between lynches.

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[singersigner]

K. So you've effectively said BOTH OF YOU HAVE TO BE SCUM TOGETHER WELL AT LEAST ONE OF YOU.

Check it. You're reading ISOs with confirmation bias according to what the Seraph's have said. There's no way anyone else can be scum now.

I find it highly likely that you are both scum. If neither of you are scum, I shall change my avatar to this or this of your choosing for a week.

I actually read the isos without considering what the seraphs said. They hardly said anything worth noting in the way of presenting cases. The fact they said "We think these people are scum" doesn't make them right. The fact said people have a series of scummy actions that make me suspicious of the aforementioned individuals does.

Then you put be in a really difficult position as I am town and do not think VV is scum. I like the first one, though.

They didn't provide a huge ISOing case, you're right. But have you even paid attention to who's been sheeping them without having done or said much else for the cause?

It's unfortunate that I have a town read on Jack, too, because it makes me wonder if my defense of Gud at the beginning wasn't out of line...

I'd still like inHim to answer my question about why he said Jack was town, though. He's been scarce.

[AlmasterGM]

-Today is a double day! The battery has been refilled. The battery will not reset in between lynches.

Sounds like a perfect opportunity to lynch singersinger and then quicklynch VV for MAXIMUM BATTERY CONVERSION.

[Nachomamma8]

I had been suspicious of/voting Baby Spice long before the Seraphs said anything, so that's null. And would be a pretty easy misrep of scum.

Ray had been suspicious of voting Baby Spice before then, too! So I guess he wasn't sheeping the Seraphs, now was he?

And you're right. The ONE person who I was chalking up to just being an idiot before the Seraph's laid out a case on anyone, I believed.

Okay, then you shouldn't be so paranoid about the Seraphs influencing a case...
And it's not like Ray hasn't provided a case on you, a case which you haven't responded to.

I DON'T THINK VV IS SCUM AND NEVER DID.

Why?

PEDIT: HELL YEAH

[RayFrost]

OH YEAH. OH YEAH.

<3 hito

Nacho has the right of it.

SS: Sheeping? Not particularly scummy compared to what I've found via iso'ing you. It's scummy but not major league.

[RayFrost]

@singersigner:

Please explain this stance ("Furcolow is town") combined with your vote on Furcolow. Again, keep in mind I'm slow.

I’m ready to see a flip to get answers once and for all VOTE: Fucolow.

It's not so much that I think he's scum (like someone said stupid=/=scum), it's that he has odd connections that need to be weeded out. The only way to do that is see his flip, especially since this whole godfather, no godfather business. He's been contributing to town in a detrimental way.

I'd also be fine with a VV lynch

, since

he seems to have awkward contradicting stances

that's

not presenting himself in the best of light

.

Fixed. ~Vi

[RayFrost]

bah, that should have ss overall quote and magua as the first.

Mod: Please fix?

Um... could you PM me with how it should read? I'm confused. ~Vi

[RayFrost]

Right now I'm suspicious of BS...maybe VV, but even less so now that BS is voting him to "test them" where I'm assuming "them" is referring to hers and Andrius' scumspect's being the same or something of the sort.

[RayFrost]

Last post by me for now.

<3 hito. Much seraphimianous to you.

[singersigner]

No, Nacho, RF wasn't sheeping the Seraph's with BS. Did I ever say he was?

RF, you're then assuming that the Seraph's reads are right, when they've already been proven wrong once, and if you lynch me today, will be again. I didn't want to say this before inHim answered, but he seems to be ignoring my question, me, the thread, something, so I have little hope of getting it out of him. Part of the reason I think Jack is town is because there was no scum motivation for him to blatantly disagree with the BS wagon when the Seraph's had a scum read on her, the majority of people were agreeing with it, and RayFrost actually had a convincing case lain out on her.

RF, you've been the only one to actually present a case I can respond to, but it seems as though you're the only not content with letting the town lose. Response will be in my next post.

Preview Edit:
You seem to be forgetting that lynching someone =/= thinking they're scum. I'll admit that I thought VV was scummy at one point, but I fail to see how that's indicative of him being scum either. I thought the same thing of Furc. I'd also rather see a VV lynch to get the information from which people clearly see as scummy than me. So what?

How many mislynches do you think we have left? How many can we afford? I think town would be making a huge mistake by lynching either one of us right now because the minute one of us flips town you're going to assume the other must be scum.

AGM...you're scum. STFU.

[Furcolow]

RF why don't we vote VV then?
you are just FoS, put your money where your mouth is Mr. Avatar bet.

[VasudeVa]

I think we have 2 Mafia left, probably linked together now. 1SK, 2Shadow, 2Dark, 16 Town + 4 Seraphs sound about right.
We have to lynch correctly at least once today for us to have a fighting chance. Since we are probably at 6/2/1.

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I have taken every lynch votal we have on Town and checked for opportunistic scum. I have deleted all of the dead people because...well who cares about dead people?

All ze Town Lynches.
Guderian (LYNCH) ~ Nachomamma8, mothrax, inHimshallibe, Jack, Furcolow
vezokpiraka (LYNCH) ~ AlmasterGM, Jack, mothrax,
Katsuki (LYNCH) ~ Jack, Nachomamma8, inHimshallibe, mothrax, Furcolow, RayFrost, VasudeVa
Baby Spice (LYNCH) ~ RayFrost, singersigner, VasudeVa, mothrax, AlmasterGM


mothrax appears on all four.
Jack is on three.
Nacho, inHim, Alm, Furc, Ray are on two.
Me and singersigner is on one.

There is also this on the VC VII:
Kitoari (LYNCH) ~ Jack, Nachomamma8, Furcolow, singersigner, inHimshallibe,
Guderian (L-6) ~ mothrax

Conclusion: Mothrax is 100% scum. Jack might be scum. singersigner could be Town, unfortunately.

Vote: Mothrax

[RayFrost]

RF why don't we vote VV then?
you are just FoS, put your money where your mouth is Mr. Avatar bet.

I'm fine with that. Are you?

Vote: VV

[RayFrost]

RF, you're then assuming that the Seraph's reads are right, when they've already been proven wrong once, and if you lynch me today, will be again. I didn't want to say this before inHim answered, but he seems to be ignoring my question, me, the thread, something, so I have little hope of getting it out of him. Part of the reason I think Jack is town is because there was no scum motivation for him to blatantly disagree with the BS wagon when the Seraph's had a scum read on her, the majority of people were agreeing with it, and RayFrost actually had a convincing case lain out on her.

RF, you've been the only one to actually present a case I can respond to, but it seems as though you're the only not content with letting the town lose. Response will be in my next post.

Preview Edit:
You seem to be forgetting that lynching someone =/= thinking they're scum. I'll admit that I thought VV was scummy at one point, but I fail to see how that's indicative of him being scum either. I thought the same thing of Furc. I'd also rather see a VV lynch to get the information from which people clearly see as scummy than me. So what?

How many mislynches do you think we have left? How many can we afford? I think town would be making a huge mistake by lynching either one of us right now because the minute one of us flips town you're going to assume the other must be scum.

AGM...you're scum. STFU.

Actually, I'm saying

I'm right

. The seraphs just happen to not be stupid.

I shall look forward to that reply.

It's more the mentions of VV without really pushing at him. Minor mentions that don't really say anything as you took a "superior" option. If/when one of you flips scum, I expect an insta-lynch on the other. Your comment regarding VV wasn't the same as about furc, which leads to you saying they were the same to be odd to me. Null reply. Get your response up A S A P.

Going to agree with VV here - probably 6/2/1. I don't see it likely that there's more than three scum left, since there's SK + the scumteam(s). To be safe, I'd assume there's one more scum even if it doesn't seem feasible. Even if it's unlikely, it's possible, so better safe than sorry. We

have

to lynch correctly.

[RayFrost]

VV: pure wagon analysis is terrible. (As in wagon analysis alone for finding scum is worth absolutely zilch)

Provide some real backing to your post. A case, for example, would be helpful.