Mafia of the Chosen Ones (Game Over!)

[RayFrost]

Anyway, going to do some stuff. See yah.

[VasudeVa]

It's pretty damnning if I do say so myself. He's the only one alive who was on a CLEAR counterwagon against Kitoscum. AND he's damn oppurtinistic. I have already stated that his posts read like he's always positioning for the next mislynch. And I was right, he has always found a way to get on EVERY LYNCH WAGON we have on Town(Which is.....80% of them.)

I, on the other hand, was voting for Magua then. I also tunneled the fuck out of Magua for the majority of the game. Don't you think my buddies, especially with daytalk, would dissuade me from that?

I am only scum if I was scum with Fate. And Fate would 100% bus the hell out of me if I was scumbuddies with him. Read: DefconMafia.

[mothrax]

It's pretty damnning if I do say so myself. He's the only one alive who was on a CLEAR counterwagon against Kitoscum. AND he's damn oppurtinistic. I have already stated that his posts read like he's always positioning for the next mislynch. And I was right, he has always found a way to get on EVERY LYNCH WAGON we have on Town(Which is.....80% of them.)

I, on the other hand, was voting for Magua then. I also tunneled the fuck out of Magua for the majority of the game. Don't you think my buddies, especially with daytalk, would dissuade me from that?

I am only scum if I was scum with Fate. And Fate would 100% bus the hell out of me if I was scumbuddies with him. Read: DefconMafia.

What's the dif between me on Gude and you on magus who also flipped town?

[VasudeVa]

Gude had a bigger wagon. Duh.

[RayFrost]

How about replying to my case points on you, VV?

[VasudeVa]

It's pretty bad. You assume too much.
When you ASSUME, you make an ASS out of U and ME.(I've always wanted to say this 8D.)
Very few of those points are on stuff that really matter. (ie. Stances, Votes and Lynches.)

And how is it that I am automatically buddies with SS for the last vote? I thought SS was scummy and I needed my vote somewhere, but then I actually did some digging and found that she just might be a naturally scummy player instead of actual scum. I think her lack of posturing into Town Lynches is indicative of Town.

FWIW, I think mothrax is the most objectively scummy player around. I think his spot in the counterwag on Guderian says something. Need I remind that he's the ONLY player alive in the 2ND LEADING WAGON when we lynched Kitoari at D2?

[RayFrost]

It's pretty bad. You assume too much.
When you ASSUME, you make an ASS out of U and ME.(I've always wanted to say this 8D.)
Very few of those points are on stuff that really matter. (ie. Stances, Votes and Lynches.)

And how is it that I am automatically buddies with SS for the last vote? I thought SS was scummy and I needed my vote somewhere, but then I actually did some digging and found that she just might be a naturally scummy player instead of actual scum. I think her lack of posturing into Town Lynches is indicative of Town.

FWIW, I think mothrax is the most objectively scummy player around. I think his spot in the counterwag on Guderian says something. Need I remind that he's the ONLY player alive in the 2ND LEADING WAGON when we lynched Kitoari at D2?

>"You assume too much"
>Not pointing out assumptions and why they are invalid

>Saying his vote is the only reason I think he's buddies with SS
>Ignoring other points regarding this

>Mothrax is scummy for not voting for kitoari
>Rayfrost was not voting for kitoari D2, but RF is not scummy at all for this?

I'm finding your incomplete points in the wagon analysis to be bad. Your analysis is biased towards finding mothrax scum rather than looking at everything.

Examples: RayFrost has not been on any wagons on scum. Mothrax was pushing for a fate lynch when fate was an obvtown read for most people, meaning distancing/bussing is not feasible at all. The kitoari lynch went through in a single day from gud being the highest lynch to kitoari dying. Mothrax did not post during the large swing.

[inHimshallibe]

--- Andrius ---

Righteous

Neighborizer

--- Incinerated Day 5...

My brother! My... brother...

[inHimshallibe]

vote:Almaster

I think he's actually mafia not sk. That hammer had all the looks of a "sacrifice myself to take out a townie" move and upon reread his complaining about being called the SK sounds people sound when they are accused of something completely false, but are nevertheless guilty (like the "Are joking? I'm CLEARLY not Chinese scum!" you get in multiscum games sometimes).

Him and singer are trying to distance too. Badly.

Woo Jack is town all hail Jack.

AAA+++ with the thoughts on AGM's hammer.

[inHimshallibe]

That makes Nacho the most likely SK I think. And he's the most likely to have missed sending in a kill.

^^^

[inHimshallibe]

Was that a scumslip I read?!

vote furc

mothrax, I'mma let you finish, but no.

[inHimshallibe]

Which reminds me, inHim, I don't recall you ever explaining why you thought Jack was town after I had asked you.

I probably didn't.

I rarely answer scum.

[inHimshallibe]

I'ma ISO you, inHim, and Jack, cuz there's bound to be some scum there.

I thought you thought Jack was town.

ISOing people isn't indicative of alignment. Jack could show connections in a different way than just ISOing who I think is scum. He's in the three I haven't seen/heard a whole lot from, therefore I think it's worth looking over what he has to say.

Then I don't understand why we aren't more concerned with the SK.

You don't?

No I don't. The SK takes another target, and we can't count on them to target the common enemy (mafia). It seems as though there have been cases or allusions to AGM being either one of the SK or mafia...so my question is why wouldn't we take care of someone who's most like to benefit us one way or another, rather than a hit or miss target? Does anyone care to enlighten me on what I'm missing?

So, uh... your team is close to LyLo, eh.

[inHimshallibe]

RF, vote on Furc was to get answers, not because I thought he was scummy.

There's probably more to respond to, but that'll have to wait.

I know. That's my issue. You voted

someone you thought was town

for information rather than

attempting to convince people to vote who you thought was scum

.

Was gonna answer the same but strong town Ray is bringing it home.

[inHimshallibe]

I think we have 2 Mafia left, probably linked together now. 1SK, 2Shadow, 2Dark, 16 Town + 4 Seraphs sound about right.
We have to lynch correctly at least once today for us to have a fighting chance. Since we are probably at 6/2/1.

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I have taken every lynch votal we have on Town and checked for opportunistic scum. I have deleted all of the dead people because...well who cares about dead people?

All ze Town Lynches.
Guderian (LYNCH) ~ Nachomamma8, mothrax, inHimshallibe, Jack, Furcolow
vezokpiraka (LYNCH) ~ AlmasterGM, Jack, mothrax,
Katsuki (LYNCH) ~ Jack, Nachomamma8, inHimshallibe, mothrax, Furcolow, RayFrost, VasudeVa
Baby Spice (LYNCH) ~ RayFrost, singersigner, VasudeVa, mothrax, AlmasterGM


mothrax appears on all four.
Jack is on three.
Nacho, inHim, Alm, Furc, Ray are on two.
Me and singersigner is on one.

There is also this on the VC VII:
Kitoari (LYNCH) ~ Jack, Nachomamma8, Furcolow, singersigner, inHimshallibe,
Guderian (L-6) ~ mothrax

Conclusion: Mothrax is 100% scum. Jack might be scum. singersigner could be Town, unfortunately.

Vote: Mothrax

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[inHimshallibe]

It's pretty damnning if I do say so myself. He's the only one alive who was on a CLEAR counterwagon against Kitoscum.

AND he's damn oppurtinistic. I have already stated that his posts read like he's always positioning for the next mislynch. And I was right, he has always found a way to get on EVERY LYNCH WAGON we have on Town(Which is.....80% of them.)

I, on the other hand, was voting for Magua then. I also tunneled the fuck out of Magua for the majority of the game. Don't you think my buddies, especially with daytalk, would dissuade me from that?

I am only scum if I was scum with Fate. And Fate would 100% bus the hell out of me if I was scumbuddies with him. Read: DefconMafia.

This is a relevant point, though with a wrong conclusion imo. VV looking more town but less right by the minute.

[RayFrost]

Inhim. If you had to vote right now, who would you vote?

[inHimshallibe]

Inhim. If you had to vote right now, who would you vote?

Not you, mothrax, Furc, or myself. These are my current "very town" reads.

So that leaves AGM, ss, Nacho, or VV. Not feeling VV or Jack right now due to major agreement/townness with their recent postings. Probably not Nacho if we didn't have an SK. I don't think he's mafia, none of his stuff looks like buddying, distancing, or bussing all that much.

So that leaves our top two candidates. Convenient.

I'd go with singersigner. I'm more convinced that she is Mafia and that AGM/Nacho are our SKs - which if it is AGM, he poorly attempted to frame someone else, likely Nacho, as Jack said.

[RayFrost]

Also, something that's been practically screaming for me to say that I've been brewing over whether it's a good idea to say (I finally said screw it and decided to post this) is this:

Andrius flipped neighborizer.

Hito said only one order can be used per person.

Who the hell's the super townie that got communioned?

From the logic of this to allow andrius to communicate, it's who he neighborized that got communioned, sooo... anybody want to claim this and practically 100% confirm themselves as town? Anybody?

I've come to the decision to finally ask about this because I feel that having this information may completely alter my reads, and I'd rather have this information early in the day.

[RayFrost]

With that, I gotta sleep.

My reason for not asking initially: the possibility that scum will kill the person, but I feel the info is more useful. Being out to openly communicate the word of our deities is more useful for town at this point, I suppose. I was uncertain earlier but I'm tired and dgaf anymore.

[inHimshallibe]

Hi Ray.

[inHimshallibe]

The Word of Hito

Not voting SS at this time due to omfgL-1 if I do. I want to get some posties in this shiznizzle from the lot of you. Perhaps the seraphs can give us a sign.

A sign? Oh baby, I can do much better than that. <3

Honestly, I'm a little disappointed no one figured it out. (Well, presumably the scum, but no townies in thread.) I mentioned the one-order per person limit. We used appoint neighborizer on Andrius...so how could we commune him?

The answer is, we didn't commune him. We communed inHim (after confirming via other means that Andrius had neighborized him). Then we posted our message in our QT with inhim...who posted it in the quicktopic with Andrius...who posted it in thread.

Anyway, it seems Zach was on the money with his dissenting view on BS. We have to dance very carefully now, but we still have some tricks up our sleeves.

We've jus used a holy order called "Second Chance." It gives us two lynches today. Two glorious lynches before scum gets to night-kill inhim. As you can imagine, I am *excited*.

As a side note, this *would have* confirmed us as town, if inHim had showed up. We wrote this post about 5 and a half hours before the VC. Sadly inHim did not post it...however, we're leaving it unedited in the QT, to prove to him we're the town seraphs. So, on an inHim townflip, we're town, but until then, we're not confirmed. C'est la vie...

Here is another important thing to know. We get +battery from *both* lynches.

So, the first lynch is AGM. No debates, no waiting, do it now.

His hammer is covered in slime, his "O LOL WIFOM LOOK HOW BAD IM PLAYIN" comments are unfitting, and Jacks' 1177 raises a very pertinent point that AGM stands a strong choice of being scum as well as sk.

There's also our increasing concern that ss is town. The wagon just feels...off. We also can't help but notice that we suspected AGM, BS, SS, and VV - and BS was lynched and flipped town, and now SS has a wagon brewing. Perhaps our list was a little too big and gave scum room to maneuver in it?

Also, trust me: there are

all sorts

of shenanigans we can pull with 100 faith.


From there, it looks like something like this:

AGM is scum:

This is what we're really, really hoping for. SS and Jack become very likely non-scum, and with them, RF, and inhim, we can hunt down the last scum (my money would be on VV in this case) before turning our eyes on the sk. (I wonder if there are still scum seraphs in the sky if all the scum are dead...?)

AGM is sk:

This is still cool, not *quite* as awesome though. Doesn't tell us too much on who the scum are and aren't, but taking out the sk makes this awesome all the same. I still like VV scum but I like that in all scenarios. :p

AGM is town:

"OH MAN GUYZ, LOOK HOW SCUMMMMMMY THAT HAMMER IS AGM IS SOOOOOOO SCUMMY." I suppose it's too much to hope that's not a thing townies won't petulantly fart on to the thread...

Okay, if AGM is town, ss comes off as scummier. Lends weight to ss/vv scum, though not CAST IRON weight obviously. I dunno. Even if he's town that 100 faith will let us do something to guide our second lynch along.



To summarize, since our inHim secret no longer needs to remain secret:

Strong town: Rayfrost

Town: Mothrax (especially his interactions with Fate), inHim (we didn't confirm inHim as town before communing, though if he's scum he has still passed all of our messages to Andrius without interference)

Null: Furcolow, Nacho, Jack, ss

Scum: AGM, VV


Think that's it for now. Powerlynch AGM ASAP, before a single battery decay if possible, and we'll do something spectacular for our second lynch today.

[VasudeVa]

Vote: AGM

Why the fucking fuck is mothrax Town?

[Jack]

Oh, awesome.

Alm lynch is so obviously right.

VV's posts today have been terrible.

[AlmasterGM]

AGM is town: "OH MAN GUYZ, LOOK HOW SCUMMMMMMY THAT HAMMER IS AGM IS SOOOOOOO SCUMMY." I suppose it's too much to hope that's not a thing townies won't petulantly fart on to the thread...

It seems my sarcasm was completely lost over the internet.

Baby Spice lynch was happening that day. And even if it wasn't, it was going to happen at

some point.

There was zero reason to delay. ZERO.

Of course, I knew that somebody would find a reason to call my hammer scummy anyway. Because that what happens with those sorts of things - if someone everyone thought was town had hammered Baby Spice and she flipped scum, we'd all be rejoicing the brilliant hammer. But when I hammer and she flips town, I'm suddenly scum. Thus my COMMENT.

Anyway, I'm flipping town, but you might as well make the lynch fast (so the seraphs get maximum faith).