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Post Post #1025 (ISO) » Wed Feb 02, 2011 4:09 am

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ribwich wrote:I'm still pretty confident that Hiraki is scum, but there's much better odds in going after one of the non voters. I'm going to look at each one more closely first before putting in a vote.
How is this supposed to make sense?

Fuck Ribwich. You're bing opportunistic.
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Post Post #1026 (ISO) » Wed Feb 02, 2011 4:12 am

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How doesn't it, Hiraki? I don't like Ribwich's play (Hammer the claimed cop then jump the obvious wagon, helloooooooooo) but there's no contradiction in having a scum read on a player, but acknowledging the sheer odds of lynching scum off-wagon are better.
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Post Post #1027 (ISO) » Wed Feb 02, 2011 4:24 am

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Hiraki wrote:
ribwich wrote:I'm still pretty confident that Hiraki is scum, but there's much better odds in going after one of the non voters. I'm going to look at each one more closely first before putting in a vote.
How is this supposed to make sense?

Fuck Ribwich. You're bing opportunistic.
I would like you to describe a case on someone w/o using the word "opportunistic." It seems to be your favorite argument/buzz word.
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Post Post #1028 (ISO) » Wed Feb 02, 2011 5:23 am

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Opportunism can be buzzwordy (since a lot of things can look oppo when in fact it's just town reconciling themselves to a non-ideal situation or having the same opinion on something as someone else) but it gets overused precisely because it's probably the one really good scumtell. Genuinely opportunistic behaviour, like, say, selecting an example at random when a player leaves a wagon on someone they've been calling scum all day and joins a wagon they have previously shown not too much interest in in order to force a claim, is still very scummy.
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Post Post #1029 (ISO) » Wed Feb 02, 2011 5:46 am

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Hiraki wrote:
ribwich wrote:I'm still pretty confident that Hiraki is scum, but there's much better odds in going after one of the non voters. I'm going to look at each one more closely first before putting in a vote.
How is this supposed to make sense?

Fuck Ribwich. You're bing opportunistic.
Yea, still failure to do anythign just coming in making short posts, and slinking back into the background.

this guy needs to han
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Post Post #1030 (ISO) » Wed Feb 02, 2011 6:26 am

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Interesting Jason. I took your advice and looked back. D1.

you defended me.


Post 406. In fact, one of the accusations you made against my opponents you said that they said nothing about me in their ISO. You said nothing about me for 2 Pages of your ISO(the first two).
Jason wrote:then fail to mention Gudierian again. Why?
Because I've made my case on him. Do you believe Tragedy is scum?

Yes I do believe that you found somethings odd with me, but I don't see them addressed.

You mention me one or twice for pulling up flags but not revealing where they did or not.

Basically, once D2 started, I became scummy as hell. I wasn't even nominated by you to lynch on D1.

Explain your actions Jason.
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Post Post #1031 (ISO) » Wed Feb 02, 2011 6:29 am

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because, you are still to this moment not adding anything to this game
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Post Post #1032 (ISO) » Wed Feb 02, 2011 6:32 am

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jasonT1981 wrote:because, you are still to this moment not adding anything to this game
That doesn't explain anything. You found Tragedy scummy. Has she added anything or more to the game?
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Post Post #1033 (ISO) » Wed Feb 02, 2011 6:56 am

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And I still find Tragedy to be scum.

Who are your scum suspects, Hiraki?
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Post Post #1034 (ISO) » Wed Feb 02, 2011 7:14 am

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jasonT1981 wrote:And I still find Tragedy to be scum.

Who are your scum suspects, Hiraki?
But the point is that you found me to be town yesterday, except for a few facts, and now see me to be confirmed scum because I haven't added as much in comparison.

My suspects are Diddin, and Darla at the top. Then I'd say Tvella, Wraith, and you, especially after looking back.
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Post Post #1035 (ISO) » Wed Feb 02, 2011 7:16 am

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Fonz, I won't respond to every point and cause a wall. I will say this.

How you can not see the constant AtE in Mist's last posts is stunning to me, especially for someone with your experience.

How you can not see the town motivation for hammering something with a ton of AtE and a piece by piece claim with no rolename from someone who signed up a month earlier is also stunning to me.

I also don't appreciate the ad hom, but whatever, that's cool, because you're scum to me.

And I'm male for the love of god
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Post Post #1036 (ISO) » Wed Feb 02, 2011 7:20 am

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The Fonz wrote:Opportunism can be buzzwordy (since a lot of things can look oppo when in fact it's just town reconciling themselves to a non-ideal situation or having the same opinion on something as someone else) but it gets overused precisely because it's probably the one really good scumtell. Genuinely opportunistic behaviour, like, say, selecting an example at random when a player leaves a wagon on someone they've been calling scum all day and joins a wagon they have previously shown not too much interest in in order to force a claim, is still very scummy.
I totally agree. But that's not the first time Hiraki has used "opportunism" as an argument. Plus, I've seen it soooo many times lately, it's getting annoying.

@Hiraki: STOP IGNORING ME AND ANSWER MY QUESTIONS.
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Post Post #1037 (ISO) » Wed Feb 02, 2011 7:22 am

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Post Post #1038 (ISO) » Wed Feb 02, 2011 7:27 am

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DemonHybrid wrote:Fonz, I won't respond to every point and cause a wall. I will say this.

How you can not see the constant AtE in Mist's last posts is stunning to me, especially for someone with your experience.
I can't see it because it's not there. Point me to a specific thing that is AtE. You're making it up to try to make mist look scummier and retrospectively justify the hammering of a claimed cop in plain sight, a ridiculously antitown action.
I also don't appreciate the ad hom, but whatever, that's cool, because you're scum to me.
Calling someone stupid
because their arguments/behaviour are
is like the opposite of adhom, asshat.
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Never said otherwise. The 'she' and 'her' references in my post refer to mist.
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Post Post #1039 (ISO) » Wed Feb 02, 2011 7:30 am

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Okay, lets show Fonz how much of an idiot he's being this game.
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Mist7676 wrote:I hope you guys take off your votes I wanna use my power.
Mist7676 wrote:So when do votes come off.
Lets take a vote. Who here thinks that this is not AtE?
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Post Post #1040 (ISO) » Wed Feb 02, 2011 7:30 am

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DH, I'm not sure I understand why you seem to be saying that a poorly-made claim by a newbie is scummier than if it had been made by an experienced player.
Fonz, you agree with the concept of Policy Lynches, right?
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Post Post #1041 (ISO) » Wed Feb 02, 2011 7:33 am

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SensFan wrote:DH, I'm not sure I understand why you seem to be saying that a poorly-made claim by a newbie is scummier than if it had been made by an experienced player.
Fonz, you agree with the concept of Policy Lynches, right?
It may or may not be, but it didn't help her case. If ANYONE had claimed the way she did, I would support a hammer. Even if they were like

"I'm a doctor. You'll regret my lynch."

"Oh, I'm homer simpson"

"I'm also a super saint."

"And I can vig kill."

To me, it looked no different. It looked like she was just making shit up.

I don't care if that person is Mist, shotty, mith, Vi, whoever. I would support a hammer on them in an instant. I'm just not understanding why, as part of the "uninformed majority" like Fonz says he is, he doesn't at least understand why rib, boberz and I would believe that way.
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Post Post #1042 (ISO) » Wed Feb 02, 2011 7:43 am

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Loads has happened while i have been away.

Not buyng hibbert as a doc at all. And I can now talk coherently btw.
loads of people wrote:SHE CLAIMED A CONFIRMABLE ROLE!!!
Loads of people seem to have been sayng this and it is true. However it would reveal another simpson (who may well be prs) and that power was claimed retrospectively ie after she had claimed cop. And that is an insanely strong role. There were reasons to doubt that claim.

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Mod wifom. Sipsons charachters strong prs saving sprngfield (town) from some kind of threat (nuclear power plant). hibbert is town needing to be saved therefor no power therefor lying jason.

vote jason


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Post Post #1043 (ISO) » Wed Feb 02, 2011 7:48 am

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What question?
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Post Post #1044 (ISO) » Wed Feb 02, 2011 8:01 am

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boberz wrote:Loads has happened while i have been away.

Not buyng hibbert as a doc at all. And I can now talk coherently btw.
loads of people wrote:SHE CLAIMED A CONFIRMABLE ROLE!!!
Loads of people seem to have been sayng this and it is true. However it would reveal another simpson (who may well be prs) and that power was claimed retrospectively ie after she had claimed cop. And that is an insanely strong role. There were reasons to doubt that claim.

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Mod wifom. Sipsons charachters strong prs saving sprngfield (town) from some kind of threat (nuclear power plant). hibbert is town needing to be saved therefor no power therefor lying jason.

vote jason


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You're going to lynch the claimed doctor? Yeah, you just jumped on my radar.
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Post Post #1045 (ISO) » Wed Feb 02, 2011 8:22 am

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Bob do you have any evedience towards what you are saying about Simpsons with strong PRs... or are you actually playing outguess the mod?
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Post Post #1046 (ISO) » Wed Feb 02, 2011 8:22 am

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*sigh*
Regardless of the fact that my PM contains absolutely zero ambiguity or room for misinformation, the Mod is now saying he 'cannot deny or confirm' if my results are guaranteed to be accurate.

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Post Post #1047 (ISO) » Wed Feb 02, 2011 8:23 am

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DemonHybrid wrote:Okay, lets show Fonz how much of an idiot he's being this game.
Mist7676 wrote:You may lynch me now. Regret later.
Mist7676 wrote:I hope you guys take off your votes I wanna use my power.
Mist7676 wrote:So when do votes come off.
Lets take a vote. Who here thinks that this is not AtE?
Yes, let's, because it's clear to anyone with half a brain that is not AtE. 'So when do votes come off?' AtE? Seriously? My God. (And AtE itself is something of a meaningless buzzword, but that's beside the point).
SensFan wrote:DH, I'm not sure I understand why you seem to be saying that a poorly-made claim by a newbie is scummier than if it had been made by an experienced player.
Fonz, you agree with the concept of Policy Lynches, right?
Yes, in that when a player is making zero contribution of any value to a game, you need to have more than average reason to believe them town in order to justify not lynching them. However, it's worth noting that a cop claim on day one is an extremely good reason not to lynch them.
DemonHybrid wrote: I don't care if that person is Mist, shotty, mith, Vi, whoever. I would support a hammer on them in an instant. I'm just not understanding why, as part of the "uninformed majority" like Fonz says he is, he doesn't at least understand why rib, boberz and I would believe that way.
And I can't begin to imagine why DH is consistently ignoring the very obvious point that scum has clear motive to hide behind this kind of thing in order to do something very very useful to them ie killing off a claimed cop. Not to mention the blatant exaggeration he is employing to try to make the claim look worse than it was.
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Post Post #1048 (ISO) » Wed Feb 02, 2011 8:24 am

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Hiraki wrote:What question?
First, you've completely ignored my case on you. Second, I asked you to give cases on people w/o using the word "opportunistic." You've so far used it to explain your case on Guiderian; you've attacked me for "major vote hopping opportunities"; in ISO#30, you comment on scum "taking opportunity"; you accuse Diddin of being opportunistic; and just recently, Ribwich is opportunistic. I'd really like a case that isn't "Well, you were being opportunistic."
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Post Post #1049 (ISO) » Wed Feb 02, 2011 8:24 am

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Oh, and bob'z vote is shite.
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