Simpsons Mafia (Game Over)

[Benmage]

Yeah, I know Sens role included any non town roles....I musta read that 3 times to be sure. Which makes our chances of hitting a nontown role off the wagon insanely high. I guess 6-1 is viable considering the town roles seen. Or even 15-4-4-1...I think 14-5-5 would be nuts, but I guess viable.

[SensFan]

Technically not "any non-town roles". Just any roles that would be considered threats to the Town, which I assume doesn't include any random neutrals whose win condition doesn't preclude the Town from winning.

[The Fonz]

Yeah, I know Sens role included any non town roles....I musta read that 3 times to be sure. Which makes our chances of hitting a nontown role off the wagon insanely high. I guess 6-1 is viable considering the town roles seen. Or even 15-4-4-1...I think 14-5-5 would be nuts, but I guess viable.

This is kinda a distraction (doesn't make a material difference to who the scum is) but 14-5-5 is certainly not nuts, although it's probably

unusual

enough to be discounted. You'd see a ton of crosskilling. There'd probably only be four vanilla townies or something, but it could work.

Nacho coming back means he needs to explain himself, and actually get properly caught up, not in the Benmage constantly posting five pages behind way either.

I thought I posted a defence of Tragedy earlier. Lousy nets. Basically, 70% of what's being alleged (overdefensiveness/not paying attention etc) is not really scummy.

[The Fonz]

Rolefishing I think is the one major point, though isn't Tragedy from EpicMafia? Where, like, all they ever do is talk about roles?

[Benmage]

Nice . You failed to mention that in my last catchup isos 36/37 where I look off the wagon I start the nacho wagon but am also fine with tragedy. Does that count as reads? Then there’s iso 29 which gives my opinions/willingness to lynch on NC, Kage, DBE and Jason…does that not qualify as reads/giving stances?

[The Fonz]

Ben, what prompted that post? Because the post above yours clearly doesn't accuse you of not giving reads, and if you were responding to something older, then I'd have expected you to quote that.

[Benmage]

I believe awhile back you did say something about me not giving reads properly or being noncommittal..I'm unsure I could look for it. But then you also tell Nacho to get up to date in way unlike I did....Meaning?

[Scott Brosius]

Vote Count 2-10

Benmage(2)- Nachomamma8, The Fonz,
boberz(0)-
Consigliere(0)-
DarlaBlueEyes(0)-
DemonHybrid(0)-
diddin(2)- hiraki, sottyrulez,
hiraki(2)- Wraith, Consigliere
jasonT1981(1)- Tragedy,
KageLord(0)-
LlamaFluff(0)-
Lowell(0)-
Mariyta(0)-
Nachomamma8(5)-Benmage, KageLord, DemonHybrid, LlamaFluff, ribwich,
Nero Cain(0)-
ribwich(0)-
SensFan(0)-
Sleepless Assassin(0)-
sottyrulez(0)-
Steven Hacking(1)-Lowell,
The Fonz(0)-
Tragedy(5)- Steven Hacking, diddin, boberz, Mariyta, jasonT1981
Wraith(2)-SensFan, Nero Cain,


Not Voting(2)- DarlaBlueEyes, Sleepless Assassin,

With 22 alive, it's 12 to lynch. Deadline is February 19th at 1pm (EST)

[DemonHybrid]

Unvote, Vote: Tragedy

because Nacho's lurkiness says absolutely nothing about him after meta reflection. I also don't really mind who gets lynched on the offwagon...they're all scummy in their own way.

[Benmage]

Unvote vote Tragedy

Works for me.

[The Fonz]

I believe awhile back you did say something about me not giving reads properly or being noncommittal..I'm unsure I could look for it. But then you also tell Nacho to get up to date in way unlike I did....Meaning?

That I want him to get up to date, and not be constantly playing several pages behind. I thought that was clear, as it was what I said.

[Tragedy]

Fuuu claim: I'm the Comic Guy.

[DemonHybrid]

Fuuu claim: I'm the Comic Guy.

Worst. Claim. Ever.

It's too early for a claim

[diddin]

Fuuu claim: I'm the Comic Guy.

No powers? Lynch all 'nilla claims.

[Mariyta]

Isn't it Comic

Book

Guy? Anyhoo, he seems obscure enough to be a fake claim.

[Benmage]

Lets not have another dumb claim. Full claim (In one Post). It is the time. There is no other real option at this point.

[The Fonz]

Agreed with Ben. Now we've got this much, any and all abilities, and the flavor justification for them, in the next post.

[Nachomamma8]

The following post may have content that is inappropriate or offensive to some audiences. Viewer discretion is advised.

My plan is to crank out some ISOs in the next couple of days, but I'm not planning on giving out a scumlist until they're all done. I'm not going to do ISOs on jason and Sens because they're obvtown as hell, and I don't need an ISO to tell me that. I may or may not publish an ISO on sottyrulez, depending on what I find.

Benmage:
I like Benmage's vote on FB even less now that he's explained it, especially not that I'm rereading him. His claiming that he was just "trying to preserve the integrity of the game" is a load of crap to me, especially since he's made posts like these:

Fuzzy

In your next post claim your heads, or hang. Enough of this childish shenanigans.

This doesn't sound like some martyr trying to preserve the integrity of the game to me. This just sounds like he's pissed off.

So it is DTM and.....

And from when I've played with him, Benmage usually doesn't give empty threats.

I find all of his catchup posts to be completely useless. There's nothing in them about hiraki, he doesn't develop any new suspects... Nothing but useless comments.

Asking Sens for content when he's not done with producing his is odd.

because claiming a vote to be simply "pressure" with an easy clause to remove it erases any actually worth of the vote.

If you're voting to obtain information, what's the problem with removing the vote when you get the information you want?

Yeah and I can't help but feel like this is Mafia 118 all over again. Plus siblings Qt...wouldn't it be family? ?? Get your siblings to name claim.

I'll hammer when ready.

Don't like this, obviously.

Anywhose hears my sheep vote. I'd be most happiest with NC, Kage is a close runner-up....It's the activity thing really that gives me pause about Jason... But I'll follow this, especially since Sotty is limited today.

If sotty is town, I could easily see scum framing jason. And here, Benmage distances from the jason lynch, reasons it with "well, since Sotty is limited today...", and puts absolutely no effort into an alternatives (Ben's case on NC is: he lurks. Big deal.). That's perfect scum poising for the jason lynch.

Oh if that seemed like there wasn't reasoning...Go do a quick iso of Nacho.

Yet another beautiful case.

Unvote vote Tragedy

Works for me.

Yer another beautiful and wonderful case.
And to think, this is the guy who HATES vote-hopping with a passion...

[Nachomamma8]

boberz:

There's not really a whole lot in boberz's ISO that's particularly worth commenting on, but I think he's town. He's been fairly consistent this entire game, and the majority of his votes feel genuine if nothing else. I would like him to explain the Tragedy vote, though.

[LlamaFluff]

Fuuu claim: I'm the Comic Guy.

No powers? Lynch all 'nilla claims.

Which is why you wanted to lynch DBE's claim of VT?

[Benmage]

That's your iso really.... (inb4anotheruselesspostzomg!benmagescum!)

What additional explanation did I provide on the FB vote that wasn't around the first time you voted?

I'm pretty sure the next time I arrived in the thread FB claimed..what was I gonna stamp my feet and say you didn't claim both heads, or it wasn't your VERY next post....geeze

No effort to alternatives is harsh, but sounds nice, so kudos. I thought I made some decent points against Kagelord. Sorry I couldnt explain a meta feel against NC....I usually can't explain meta reads well...they're personal...obv. Did you want me to s.p.e.l.l. out why I was in favor of a DBE or Tragedy lynch? Should've been and should still be obvious...but if you wanted embellishment you could've asked. My time was already limited as fuck...not like I'm twiddling my thumbs this game.

A) I wouldn't say I'm votehopping at all.. I said many times I'd be down for either Nacho lynch or tragedy...Which ever one is the likely lynch is where my vote will be. If I jump it 100 times back and forth I wouldn't call that vote hopping. B) I never said I HATE it...but that does sound nice again. A

1

) Vote hopping around on nonexistant wagons/impossible lynches/random people (i.e. wasting time) is what annoys me. Trying to get direction for the day....nonono.

Nacho you've done nothing this game...Shall I do a PBPA analysis??? Your iso on me is atrocious.... its looks haphazardly rushed with old information and minimal content. Guess what buddy. I'd rather lynch you. But I'm quite happy with seeing Tragedy go. ZOMG.

[boberz]

boberz:

There's not really a whole lot in boberz's ISO that's particularly worth commenting on, but I think he's town. He's been fairly consistent this entire game, and the majority of his votes feel genuine if nothing else. I would like him to explain the Tragedy vote, though.

Not much to explain. I think the increased odds of hitting scum on that wagon are better than my odds at scumhunting. SO picking the most useless one off that wagon makes a lot of sense. Dont read me as a polict lyncher for I am not normally, but I believe this policy has nearly a 50% chance of succeeding before even accounting for a town read or two I have on that non-wagon.

I also want an alternative to the Nacho wagon as I felt it a bit forced. Ill be prepared to review that later but it is not where I am turning now.

[diddin]

Fuuu claim: I'm the Comic Guy.

No powers? Lynch all 'nilla claims.

Which is why you wanted to lynch DBE's claim of VT?

I never really found DBE scummy. I meant that a Vanilla claim never changes my mind about a lynch.

[DemonHybrid]

Tragedy, you still need to give us an actual role with your claim...

[Nachomamma8]

What additional explanation did I provide on the FB vote that wasn't around the first time you voted?

None, but I figured that you wanted me to tell you why the explanation you offered recently wasn't good enough.

I'm pretty sure the next time I arrived in the thread FB claimed..what was I gonna stamp my feet and say you didn't claim both heads, or it wasn't your VERY next post....geeze

He never claimed; SensFan just won the guessing game. It was just out of character for you to not go through with your vote, especially with all those big words in ISO #2...

I thought I made some decent points against Kagelord.

Decent points, but no vote.

Did you want me to s.p.e.l.l. out why I was in favor of a DBE or Tragedy lynch?

Yes.

A) I wouldn't say I'm votehopping at all.. I said many times I'd be down for either Nacho lynch or tragedy...Which ever one is the likely lynch is where my vote will be. If I jump it 100 times back and forth I wouldn't call that vote hopping.

Fair enough.

Nacho you've done nothing this game...Shall I do a PBPA analysis???

Sure.

Your iso on me is atrocious.... its looks haphazardly rushed with old information and minimal content.

Then why didn't you address everything in it?