Simpsons Mafia (Game Over)

[DemonHybrid]

diddin, was it given to you, or is it part of your role?

[Mariyta]

I think diddin should be the lynch tomorrow, it's pretty clear Tragedy's the dead person today.

Would you draw any inferences as to diddin's alignment from Tragedy's?

I think he's scum either way.

Okay, HONESTLY, I'd prefer to lynch diddin today, but he's not the one at L-2 and I'm kind of tired of trying to convince people to move anymore.

^If Tragedy flips scum and when I flip town this post pretty much confirms Wraith as scum.

Ya know, I missed Wraith's post. It's really quite entertaining, considering he keeps saying this every time he switches which wagon he wants pushed. Didn't he claim he was trying to convince people about Hiraki, too? I don't recall any super strong cases coming from Wraith at any point.

I second DH's question and Sens comment.

[Wraith]

I think diddin should be the lynch tomorrow, it's pretty clear Tragedy's the dead person today.

Would you draw any inferences as to diddin's alignment from Tragedy's?

I think he's scum either way.

Okay, HONESTLY, I'd prefer to lynch diddin today, but he's not the one at L-2 and I'm kind of tired of trying to convince people to move anymore.

^If Tragedy flips scum and when I flip town this post pretty much confirms Wraith as scum.

Ya know, I missed Wraith's post. It's really quite entertaining, considering he keeps saying this every time he switches which wagon he wants pushed. Didn't he claim he was trying to convince people about Hiraki, too? I don't recall any super strong cases coming from Wraith at any point.

I second DH's question and Sens comment.

In short Hiraki=diddin>Tragedy>DBE>Anyone else ATM. But like I said, my favorite two lynches are not getting lynched today, for some reason. Despite that it seems Hiraki continues to lurk like a boss.

[Scott Brosius]

Vote Count 2-12

Benmage(2)- Nachomamma8, The Fonz,
boberz(0)-
Consigliere(0)-
DarlaBlueEyes(0)-
DemonHybrid(0)-
diddin(1)- sottyrulez,
hiraki(1)- Consigliere
jasonT1981(1)- Tragedy,
KageLord(0)-
LlamaFluff(0)-
Lowell(0)-
Mariyta(0)-
Nachomamma8(2)- KageLord, LlamaFluff,
Nero Cain(0)-
ribwich(0)-
SensFan(0)-
Sleepless Assassin(0)-
sottyrulez(0)-
Steven Hacking(0)-
The Fonz(0)-
Tragedy(10)- Steven Hacking, diddin, boberz, Mariyta, jasonT1981, DemonHybrid, Benmage, Lowell, Wraith, ribwich,
Wraith(3)-SensFan, Nero Cain, hiraki,


Not Voting(2)- DarlaBlueEyes, Sleepless Assassin,

With 22 alive, it's 12 to lynch. Deadline is February 19th at 1pm (EST)

Prodding KageLord

[Wraith]

Let me revise that. I knew I forgot someone:

Hiraki=diddin>Tragedy=Kagelord>DBE>Anyone else

Funny how Kagelord is ALSO lurking.

[The Fonz]

You know, it might well be KageLord rather than Mariyta given the activity disparity. Putting in quite a lot of effort when the town isn't even thinking about lynching her is probably townish and makes me re-think my read on her. That said, OFF THE WAGON OFF THE WAGON OFF THE WAGON.

[Wraith]

You know, it might well be KageLord rather than Mariyta given the activity disparity. Putting in quite a lot of effort when the town isn't even thinking about lynching her is probably townish and makes me re-think my read on her. That said, OFF THE WAGON OFF THE WAGON OFF THE WAGON.

What wagon? The Tragedy wagon?

[KageLord]

So since I have a ton of reading to do here (my own fault), I'm just going to comment on things as they come along:

And the neighbor thing could have been confirmed one way or the other that very night.

After reading to page 41, I have to say that I agree with you on this matter, but I don't see why you're so hung up on it. The obvious plan seems to be to go after the non-Mist voters and then (after hitting a couple of scum) looking back at who is still alive from the Mist wagon.

At the moment (before reading the last 5-8 pages), I'm cool with DH (because, last I saw, he said some odd things I'd like to explore) or Nacho (mainly because he's lurking like I am, but that's practically scum meta for him) wagon. Maybe Darla again. Not Hiraki (I somehow think him town from what I've seen today), Fonz (are you guys for real with this one?), or jason (this is not because I think he's likely town but because I really don't feel like lynching a claimed doc after we just lost a cop).

Please explain everything that you've said in this post pronto. The DH, my part, and the Jason part.

Erm... I explained it inside the post. But to clarify on DH, I was talking about the beginning of the DH-Fonz back and forth. However, after reading up to this point, I think I can see where DH was coming from (though I still almost completely agree with The Fonz on that). The townish read on you was more of a gut thing. I mean, I don't think you've helped town much at all (and neither have I, so I don't mean this to be accusing you of some great misconduct), but the tone of your posts is more frustrated and helpless town than scum.

To be honest, the quiet town Nacho meta is killing my desire to vote him. In my modded game, he was scum but worked his ass off.

Meh...I don't know.

Really? Because I was recently scum with him twice in a row and he lurked like hell (though he did do a bit more of what The Fonz said by posting something small once every prod period or two). After checking out Sotty's link I'm guessing that lurking isn't alignment-related for him.

Its like paranoid scum trying to push anything at his accusor

lololololol funny because I've noticed you doing that a lot too. In fact you do it in the post right after this one. I don't think you're scum for it, but it amuses me that it's what you seem to find a major scumtell.

You know, it might well be KageLord rather than Mariyta given the activity disparity. Putting in quite a lot of effort when the town isn't even thinking about lynching her is probably townish and makes me re-think my read on her. That said, OFF THE WAGON OFF THE WAGON OFF THE WAGON.

What wagon? The Tragedy wagon?

The Mist wagon. >.>

I would definitely go Benmage > Lowell > Tragedy right now. I'll have to do an ISO of Benmage next to figure out why my gut is telling me he's scum after reading all that I missed. Unfortunately it'll have to wait though since I'm going to be

V/LA Thursday - Saturday night

(probably be able to get back on Sunday afternoon).

[jasonT1981]

Short V/LA - Got a few Job interviews tomorrow and Friday. Including one I really want.

[Mariyta]

Short V/LA - Got a few Job interviews tomorrow and Friday. Including one I really want.

Good luck!!

[Tragedy]

Short V/LA - Got a few Job interviews tomorrow and Friday. Including one I really want.

Good luck!!

[boberz]

More catchup walls from kagelord. I really dont like catchup walls. Write them to yourself then pick the bits that are still relevant/important to comment on at the end!!!

[diddin]

diddin, was it given to you, or is it part of your role?

It is part of my role.

[KageLord]

More catchup walls from kagelord. I really dont like catchup walls. Write them to yourself then pick the bits that are still relevant/important to comment on at the end!!!

More? Pretty sure that was my only one.

[boberz]

http://www.mafiascum.net/forum/viewtopi ... 7#p2760557 - this felt catchupy to me. 5days in between this and the one before also.

But it was fewer than I was expecting granted. You are not the only person to have been doing it though loads of people seem to think they have a right to make us read reams of old text just because they have fallen behind.

[Sleepless Assassin]

I realize I've missed the past few nights. It's been a long week. I'm hopefully back to nightly posts though.

Ok, Page 46 now. Mari, the whole "linking people" thing is just something my mind does. If I see someone as scummy, I want to figure out who potential partners could be. I'd never lynch somebody based on a connection to an unflipped player alone, but it's useful for me to think about, especially to look at later if a player

does

flip scum. If I were to say Player A is scummy and Player B looks like a potential buddy, then later on Player A flips scum and I look back and see that the connection was there, it would be worth taking into consideration when I analyze Player B. Also, two scum groups is possible, but I don't like to draw that conclusion with no evidence of it, especially with only one kill last night. If we see multiple kills one night, I can see the possibility of scum trying to crosskill. There are multiple possibilities, but one thing I see with a Deer kill is that it wasn't a scum attempt at killing the obvtown players.

Cons, what made Guderian "the towniest of towns"?

Llama, I still have a town read on Kage. Also, are you seriously calling it scummy to dislike the Kage wagon? (or as you call it, "wagon analysis on unflipped players")

Dear SA, we do know that Jason claimed as a Doctor.
Why blindly say that to public when you're about to be lynched?
Risky, Very risky claim, yet Suspicious.

About the mist wagon, it's very obvious that there were more than 50% scum on the wagon, since we were lynching a VI here.
Of course, we probably all know scums would want to lynch an idiot.

...
No current read, will catch up Soon.

Very little of this is coherent and/or easy to follow. I see my name, so can you clarify what is directed at me and what it's supposed to mean?

Fonz, I actually missed your post about Mist's cop claim. Either I skimmed over it or I hadn't read to that point yet.

Demon, you call me "opinionless" on Page 50. Which or my reads is/are unclear?

Vote Poll
Consigliere-
Benmage-
Wraith-
diddin-
Tragedy- Mari,
Steven Hacking- DH,
Sleepless Assassin- DH,
Nachomamma8- Mari, DH, Cons,
Lowell- Mari, DH,

If I had to guess at the four right now, in order, I'd say:Tragedy, Diddin, Benmage, Cons. Tvella was pretty scummy, but Cons has turned it around. I dunno. Either strong scum play from Cons or poor town play from tvella. I have town reads on Wraith, Steven, and Lowell and obviously know myself to be town. Nacho is the one I'd throw in if one of my scum picks flips town.

Sottyrulez, the Kage wagon looked pretty quick and baseless at the time that I pointed that out. Kage is also one of my town reads. Those two things combined make the wagon look scum driven.

I see a lot of conversation about Nacho's meta regarding lurking. I played a Newbie game with him where he was the IC and I remember him being lurkish until near the end where he took on a bit of a town leadership role. He was town in that game. I think it's just how he plays though, regardless of alignment.

I'm through 52 pages, but I'm gonna skip ahead to the last vote count to see where we stand and give my opinions on leading wagons. Ok, Tragedy is at L-2 and that's the only wagon of more than three votes. I'd obviously agree with a lynch on Tragedy.

[jasonT1981]

Its like paranoid scum trying to push anything at his accusor

lololololol funny because I've noticed you doing that a lot too. In fact you do it in the post right after this one. I don't think you're scum for it, but it amuses me that it's what you seem to find a major scumtell.

Go back and read this game please, Kage. I have been saying Tragedy is scum long before he started saying I was scum. He was one of my earliest suspects in this game I believe, I had been saying I thought he was scum since Day 1. In-fact.. his reasons for voting me and suspecting me are nothing but OMGUS with no actual facts behind them.

So now, I am not doing that a lot too. I have posted my reasons as to why he is scum in my book. Tragedy only started saying I was scum when I started pushing him

[KageLord]

Its like paranoid scum trying to push anything at his accusor

lololololol funny because I've noticed you doing that a lot too. In fact you do it in the post right after this one. I don't think you're scum for it, but it amuses me that it's what you seem to find a major scumtell.

Go back and read this game please, Kage. I have been saying Tragedy is scum long before he started saying I was scum. He was one of my earliest suspects in this game I believe, I had been saying I thought he was scum since Day 1. In-fact.. his reasons for voting me and suspecting me are nothing but OMGUS with no actual facts behind them.

So now, I am not doing that a lot too. I have posted my reasons as to why he is scum in my book. Tragedy only started saying I was scum when I started pushing him

It's not so much about you calling him scum (which is fine if you believe it), but the manner in which you try to prove it. Here are a couple of gems of what I'm talking about (note: not all of these are at an accuser, but still major stretches):

hmm noticeing the language used in that post..

NEED

him to get his vote off and realize his wrong doings...

apart from voting you what else is his wrong doings?
why does he NEED to get his vote off you?

@sottyrulez: Care for me to rephrase it? I have a scumread on Jason and Tragedy.

However, since Jason being scum makes Tragedy look town, my scumread on Tragedy is less so than my scumread on Jason.

Speaking of Tragedy, I really don't know what the heck he's doing anymore.

this is interesting....

However, since Jason being scum makes tragedy look town..

If I am scum, would that not mean you are bussing me as you seem to be indicating you already know I am scum .

But seriously, it's the perfect opportune time to get in a mislynch. This does NOT include the claim and hammer; I don't think scum would be as dumb as to be vocal towards her lynch after the claim.

Playing as scum before, even as a moderately seasoned player, I find myself shutting up and letting the mislynch just happen

, and I expect the same out of others. It's normal human psychology.

Interesting you say you shut up and let the mislynch happen... almost as if you knew it would be a

mislynch

.

Are you being for real, jason? DH said

"as scum"

.

Is there a time, in a game without 2 scum groups, that you are scum and don't know when a lynch is a mislynch?

>.>

I am aware he said as scum. I already said that... read next post.I still am a bit suspect of the post though.

interesting in the bold... are you saying there is two scum teams here, or you know there is not two scum teams?

6/22 scums.

If we reduce, you'd get 3/11 in a special case.

hmmm, how do you know there is 6 scum????? seems like inside info

If you want me to explain why any of those is ludicrous, just ask.

[jasonT1981]

sure, humor me

[Consigliere]

Afternoon folks....Missed the action yesterday...My apoligies...Real life thang.

Diddin, I'm failing to see how you stating your voting is restricted via your role helps anyone in the town make a determination upon you....as how would anyone know if that reflects you as mafia/town? There could be a multitude of reasons/characters I could "dream up" I'm guessin' if putting the time into thinking of all the possibilities (In just the time I spent typing this I thought of one, and the character is could be either town/mafia to me) So what was the point in even sharing? Either way, that knowledge isn't helping your case from this department.

I'm still with Wraith that Hiraki, despite all odds, is dirty as sin and his (minimal) play since my entry has changed none of that...and (

Sleepless Assassin)

, a lot of the reason I saw Guderian as town was his back and forth with Hiraki ..much less his push for votes from those not participating, his probing and his willingness to share his reads. He played in such a way that if I was a goon I would have nightkilled him based on his play...They must be tickled that his spot got lynched and flipped cop...Mayhaps he played a little too townie to me, cuz I fully expected to see him potentially nightkilled as I was reading along before Mist took his spot....I must say, I've never seen a turnaround that dramatic in good play vs. poor play...definitely memorable...LOL

But since we're in 50/50 land, here's where it is for yours truly:

diddin, nacho, Tragedy...Any of those I would happily take part in lynching.

I wouldn't mind pushing diddin or nacho a little more to a claim...but the question is today or tomorrow...As stated before, the people on the Tragedy wagon give me pause to think...and everyone seems in complacent "Let's just get 'er done" land....which I don't like as well.

Consideration:

I've seen some support for diddin and obviously there is support for Tragedy....Get some votes on diddin and push him to a claim and then determine which claim between he and Tragedy is more believable? (I'm seeing less support for nacho around of my top 3 "off the wagon" so thus why I choose Diddin)

???

[The Fonz]

I think this is going to be an inertia-based, no-one's really happy default lynch (ie the worst kind) because of those of us not voting Tragedy, no-one seems to hate that wagon enough to fight against it, and we're split enough that there's not going to be a single viable counterwagon that gets close.

In fact, fuck it.

Unvote, vote: Tragedy

This lynch is happening, and all we're doing by BSing around is hurting town morale.

Though the whole of Consigliere's post above seems to read like 'Hey guys, why don't we out some more people's roles?'

[SensFan]

Cool.

Unvote, Vote: Tragedy

.

[Mariyta]

Though the whole of Consigliere's post above seems to read like 'Hey guys, why don't we out some more people's roles?'

I'm getting this feeling too. He posts a lot and on the surface, they seem fine. But the more I read them, the less I like them.

[Wraith]

I believe that's L-1.

And that's the hammer? PREDIT

[Mariyta]

I think that's hammer.