League of Legends (Old)

[Katsuki]

Also tried LoL once, interface is just vastly inferior to that of WC3.

[Nuwen]

If you spent half as much time improving your play as you did being indignant, I bet you wouldn't suck and get raged at.

[Katsuki]

If you spent half as much time improving your play as you did being indignant, I bet you wouldn't suck and get raged at.

You do realize that most of the players who play DoTA/variant are mentally retarded?

I get raged at at least once every second game for raping. It's as if those who play are all 12.

[subgenius]

If you spent half as much time improving your play as you did being indignant, I bet you wouldn't suck and get raged at.

I'm sensing some trolling afoot, so I'm done here. I've made my point, and the thread is about DotA, not how obnoxious I think it is that people think it's appropriate to spew incredibly bigoted insults at people just because they're not that good at a game.

So, feel free to share your elite DotA practice regimens, or if nothing else, maybe just some tips on how to berate new players effectively enough to make them quit the game for good so that the pro players can play the game unmolested.

[hitogoroshi]

Also tried LoL once, interface is just vastly inferior to that of WC3.

Hooba-jooba-wha??

I'm not here to argue which games is better (I prefer LoL, but balancewise it's in a pretty shitty place) but saying that the hacked in shitty rts interface is better is just stupid and dumb. LoL's interface is miles above DotA, because it was

actually designed for the game

. Maybe you're more used to DotA's, but in terms of objective usability, it's LoL hands down. You don't need to select your hero to use abilities, for a fuckin start.

[BrutalAztecs]

Even if you're playing for fun in DotA, you cannot have fun if one person ruins the game for your team. That is why even at casual play the community are dicks to people who are playing poorly and deflect whenever they are playing poorly. The time involvement is too steep. If games lasted 10 minutes no-one would care at the casual level. 30+ mins is an investment, and you expect to be paid in adequate fun.

[Katsuki]

Also tried LoL once, interface is just vastly inferior to that of WC3.

Hooba-jooba-wha??

I'm not here to argue which games is better (I prefer LoL, but balancewise it's in a pretty shitty place) but saying that the hacked in shitty rts interface is better is just stupid and dumb. LoL's interface is miles above DotA, because it was

actually designed for the game

. Maybe you're more used to DotA's, but in terms of objective usability, it's LoL hands down. You don't need to select your hero to use abilities, for a fuckin start.

I'M SORRY THAT I'M A LADDER PLAYER AND IS USED TO SELECTING MULTIPLE HEROES AND UNIT GROUPS.

LoL interface is bulky and hard to navigate imo. For starters, its so hard to check enemy heroes as to what the fuck their stats/items even are. Then the armor system in LOL makes no sense.

Not to mention the items are just terrible.

[bv310]

LoL interface is bulky and hard to navigate imo. For starters, its so hard to check enemy heroes as to what the fuck their stats/items even are. Then the armor system in LOL makes no sense.

Not to mention the items are just terrible.

You press the Tab button to see all players and items at the same time. Not all that difficult. The last two are just things that need to be adapted to.

[ortolan]

I've played plenty of mainstream internet games, but now that I've thought about it a little bit more, the only other game that I can come up with where I've seen people get as routinely belligerent as DotA and team RTS's is, strangely, Hearts on Yahoo games. Christ, those people would get mad if they felt like you weren't playing correctly. Admittedly, there are FPS servers that might approach the same level of ugliness as a DotA game, but it's pretty easy to find servers where it doesn't happen or isn't tolerated. MMOs can sometimes get ugly, but it's a lot rarer and usually doesn't last as long since either the aggressor or newb gets tired of the situation and leaves.

Well I can't comment as I haven't properly played either of those games (I'm actually not a DotA/HoN/LoL player) but I do find talking shit in games quite amusing in general, to be honest. Especially when you know the people in question.

[mb53]

I play wc3 a lot, but hate DotA. Actually, no. I hate people who play DotA.

I played LoL for about a month or 2, then stopped because I lagged to the point of not being able to play.

Oh hey a ladder player!

Nope =P I play tons of TDs, CHF, HLWL, and just started getting into protect the house, and undead assault.

Congrats if you know all the abbreviations =)

[Katsuki]

I play wc3 a lot, but hate DotA. Actually, no. I hate people who play DotA.

I played LoL for about a month or 2, then stopped because I lagged to the point of not being able to play.

Oh hey a ladder player!

Nope =P I play tons of TDs, CHF, HLWL, and just started getting into protect the house, and undead assault.

Congrats if you know all the abbreviations =)

No one plays ladder?

Only abbreviation of that list I know is TDs. Only because almost everyone should know what that stands for.

[Katsuki]

LoL interface is bulky and hard to navigate imo. For starters, its so hard to check enemy heroes as to what the fuck their stats/items even are. Then the armor system in LOL makes no sense.

Not to mention the items are just terrible.

You press the Tab button to see all players and items at the same time. Not all that difficult. The last two are just things that need to be adapted to.

Or you could just simply click on the enemy hero a la WC3.

I get hito saying it's too complicated to select own hero, but you're telling me that unnecessary complications in LoL makes sense.
Also how do you control clones from skills/items that may grant mirror images? I sure hope you aren't gonna tell me that you do so by micro-ing with the good ol' fashioned mouse.

[bv310]

Shift-click, or it auto-targets whatever you're targetting. Never really bothers me that much, even when I play someone like Shaco who's really reliant on his clone. Never happens in items, from what I've seen. Also, anything you need to know about your champ is in the bottom left of the screen, and items are bonded to 1-6, where your hand is anyway.

Note that this comes from a perspective of someone who's only played League, no DOTA or HoN.

[Knight of Cydonia]

So I've had a really good run with Taric this week, need to buy him, but I just came out of a game where I went 1/3/20, and our own Ashe (who went something like 6/10/10 and built a fucking TIAMAT) said "gg all except noob taric no kills lol"
First off: since when did gg mean anything but "good game, you beat us well", and secondly, since when did everyone forget what a support/tank is supposed to do? Every teamfight, I run in, stun, pop Shatter then use Radiance to buff our AD champs... but no, not good enough. I thought the 360 online community was bad...

[hitogoroshi]

Yeah all of the team arena games seem to attract bad players like flies.

FWIW, I absolutely LOVE a good Taric on my team. Aura-hog Taric along with a true tank means that the rest of your team can be three squishy carries and still be totally safe.

[Katsuki]

Shift-click, or it auto-targets whatever you're targetting. Never really bothers me that much, even when I play someone like Shaco who's really reliant on his clone. Never happens in items, from what I've seen. Also, anything you need to know about your champ is in the bottom left of the screen, and items are bonded to 1-6, where your hand is anyway.

Note that this comes from a perspective of someone who's only played League, no DOTA or HoN.

Point is, you can't micro said clones. Auto-target is for nubs.

I guess this is the difference between a ladder player and DoTA player, and why ladder players used to make so much fun of DoTA players (before ladder died).

[hitogoroshi]

Point is, you can't micro said clones. Auto-target is for nubs.

Uhh, you can. He said that. Just shift + right click.

[popsofctown]

Also tried LoL once, interface is just vastly inferior to that of WC3.

Hooba-jooba-wha??

I'm not here to argue which games is better (I prefer LoL, but balancewise it's in a pretty shitty place) but saying that the hacked in shitty rts interface is better is just stupid and dumb. LoL's interface is miles above DotA, because it was

actually designed for the game

. Maybe you're more used to DotA's, but in terms of objective usability, it's LoL hands down. You don't need to select your hero to use abilities, for a fuckin start.

You've gotta be kidding, League of Legends' balance is stupid good as of late. There's still a few powerful pubstomp characters but you just have to get better if you don't want to deal with that, or play one yourself.


@subgenius: lately I've ended up using the "/mute ally" command about five minutes into the game once people start directing unconstructive criticism towards me. You miss out on what few helpful comments are going to be made during the game, but overall play better under the reduced stress and enjoy the game more.

Another way to deal with it is to find a group of players and only play with them. Players in a premade won't flame eachother, to an extent that befuddles me. I've been in four man premades and seen random fifth player get lamblasted fore minor mistakes whilst one of the players from the 4 man premade powerfeeds without getting any flak. Even if you don't have enough friends to form a group, you can easily just go join one of the large, open, social clans and play five man normal games with some familiar players.

The low level of human decency within the internet gaming community is really astounding. I don't like it when people say "welcome to the internet", "grow a thick skin", or things like that, treating other human beings so poorly in any context is wrong, and that doesn't change no matter how commonplace the practice becomes.

If you spent half as much time improving your play as you did being indignant, I bet you wouldn't suck and get raged at.

That's not how Elo works.

[Nightson]

It's just self destructive too, flaming someone is never going to make things better. Harsh but accurate criticism might, but usually it's "Fucking feeder, go fuck yourself" "Why are you so bad?" "Your record is horrible!" all with more mispellings and leet speak of course.

[Albert B. Rampage]

DotA. I really liked that game at one point. Our illegal LAN parties at the college were awesome.

[popsofctown]

It's just self destructive too, flaming someone is never going to make things better. Harsh but accurate criticism might, but usually it's "Fucking feeder, go fuck yourself" "Why are you so bad?" "Your record is horrible!" all with more mispellings and leet speak of course.

Actually, every study on human behavior ever suggests that verbally abusing someone who's doing poorly at something is going to make them do even worse. That means all such criticisms are hypocrisy, because you're insulting a player on the basis that he is causing the team to lose, and by the very act of insulting him you're also causing the team to lose.

Many players who complain that they believe they are getting more bad teammates than random chances would dictate are the same ones who lash out at their teammates for doing poorly. Matchmaking isn't singling them out and systematically dealing them bad teammates, but rather they are being given a normal mix of good and mediocre players, and then they berate the latter group until it's a mix of good and terrible players. I actually have an RL friend that I've seen doing this, I could look at his last ten games and see him having excellent scores in all of them but only winning half of them or less than that, and then play a duo queue game with him and watch him flame his teammates whenever they die in the laning phase.

[hitogoroshi]

Many players who complain that they believe they are getting more bad teammates than random chances would dictate are the same ones who lash out at their teammates for doing poorly. Matchmaking isn't singling them out and systematically dealing them bad teammates, but rather they are being given a normal mix of good and mediocre players, and then they berate the latter group until it's a mix of good and terrible players. I actually have an RL friend that I've seen doing this, I could look at his last ten games and see him having excellent scores in all of them but only winning half of them or less than that, and then play a duo queue game with him and watch him flame his teammates whenever they die in the laning phase.

This is really, really true.

[popsofctown]

I'm playing a game after not playing for a month or so. Should be funny.

[hitogoroshi]

spoiler alert: play pantheon mid, snowball for great justice

[Knight of Cydonia]

The problem with Panth is he has pretty poor late-game viability, and anyone who can consistently crit/apply a slow to him like Ashe or Tryndamere will wreck his shit as soon as you leave laning phase. If you can do well enough to finish at 25, great. Once you get to about 35-40 minutes, though...