League of Legends (Old)

[hitogoroshi]

Yeah, Panth is one of the rare heroes for whom exiting the laning phase 3-0-0 is

losing.

HSS gives him a 1v1 edge on Ashe (though she has more utility), but Trynd at 45 will wreck Panth. (To be fair, Trynd at 45 will wreck everyone.)

[Katsuki]

Point is, you can't micro said clones. Auto-target is for nubs.

Uhh, you can. He said that. Just shift + right click.

Shift + Right Clicking isn't micro'ing.

I guess I kind of worded my response to bv wrong.

[TheButtonmen]

Point is, you can't micro said clones. Auto-target is for nubs.

Uhh, you can. He said that. Just shift + right click.

Shift + Right Clicking isn't micro'ing.

I guess I kind of worded my response to bv wrong.

....Between comments like this and you saying it's easier to click on enemy heros to see items / spells then hitting tab your comments about being ranked 18th confuse me.

[popsofctown]

Well with panth you have to dominate early game for panth to carry, with tryndamere you just have to stay alive and watch a couple things die to carry.

[bv310]

Panth tends to get built as a glass cannon by most, so he just ends up getting smashed once everybody else gets their first few items. Of anything, having a good Zilean on my team is my favourite. I love his passive, and his abilities are really useful to a team.

I hate how much they've nerfed jungling lately though. I used to play Udyr a lot, but after that stupid Ionia/Noxus story match, they pulled his best item, nerfed his second one, and pretty much removed any viability he had.

[Knight of Cydonia]

Udyr is still more than viable as a jungler. He's not top-tier, but he's not far behind Warwick and Rammus. It's Eve and Amumu who were hit hardest really. Amumu used to be guaranteed to be on at least one team a game, now he's practically useless.
Also, Locket needed to be removed. Udyr wasn't just strong, he was practically unkillable early on. Ditto for Gragas.

[bv310]

I agree they needed to pull the Locket, but nerfing Visage, Randuin's, and Tiger Stance all at once just seemed like a direct response to that one guy running show in the Ionia/Noxus match. Plus Udyr's one good role was jungling. weakening his jungling skill makes a lot more people take him into the lane, which is just sad to see.

Who are some non-standard junglers? I want to be a jungler, but I can't stand using WW, and Rammus is getting nerfed next patch.

[Katsuki]

@TBM: >.>

[Knight of Cydonia]

I agree they needed to pull the Locket, but nerfing Visage, Randuin's, and Tiger Stance all at once just seemed like a direct response to that one guy running show in the Ionia/Noxus match. Plus Udyr's one good role was jungling. weakening his jungling skill makes a lot more people take him into the lane, which is just sad to see.

Who are some non-standard junglers? I want to be a jungler, but I can't stand using WW, and Rammus is getting nerfed next patch.

Randuin's isn't something I'd normally see on Udyr anyway, I'd rather have the main tank carrying that, and really only against a heavy AD team.
As for alternate junglers... Shaco is (barely) viable and can be useful in ganks, but still drops off horribly late game. Tryn jungling is possible but tricky, and he's better laning with someone with a stun to feed him FB and/or kills. Olaf is a decent jungle pick if you have someone who can absolutely lock down a 1v2 until he's ready to gank. Nunu jungle is doable too but slows his build down too much to be really useful IMO.

[bv310]

Exactly what I meant. They've pretty much made every fringe jungler useless with the Rune nerfs and the item nerfs. I've been thinking about jungling someone like Garen or Renekton, but neither of them work. Renekton barely ekes by as a jungler when lucky.

[TheButtonmen]

Who are some non-standard junglers? I want to be a jungler, but I can't stand using WW, and Rammus is getting nerfed next patch.

Oalf is one of the best junglers and a complete beast late game.

[popsofctown]

I agree they needed to pull the Locket, but nerfing Visage, Randuin's, and Tiger Stance all at once just seemed like a direct response to that one guy running show in the Ionia/Noxus match. Plus Udyr's one good role was jungling. weakening his jungling skill makes a lot more people take him into the lane, which is just sad to see.

Who are some non-standard junglers? I want to be a jungler, but I can't stand using WW, and Rammus is getting nerfed next patch.

Totally agree with this. Although you shouldn't ever feel sorry for people who play Udyr in a lane. That's just outright stupid.

They're nerfing my Rammus?

The jungling nerfs did look pretty silly to me, powerjungling had generally been dominating fringe junglers. There was a time when jungle amumu worked, but due to changes over time it's become really important to get rapid experience swing out of the jungle. Making it so fewer characters are capable of jungling only centralizes the game.

[bv310]

Yep, Powerball is getting nerfed in speed, with more promised to come. They're also nerfing CDR in general (bye-bye any of Udyr's previous viability), Vlad's early game, and Anivia's soloing ability. On the plus side, Ryze is getting a full rebuild that looks pretty promising.

http://www.leagueoflegends.com/news/pat ... a-vacation

I'm also kinda looking forward to the new Champion coming out tomorrow. He looks fun.

[Knight of Cydonia]

They're nerfing my Rammus?

• Elementz learns how to carry/dominate with a champ.
  
• Elementz moves champ to the top of his retarded tier list.
  
• Riot nerfs champ.
  
• Elementz moves them back down a few tiers until they get a rework/buff.

Such is life in the League.

[popsofctown]

Correlation doesn't imply causation, and there have been demonstrations of when the correlations between Elementz's list and balance decisions breaks.

Really Rammus is one of the best tanks in the game right now and terribly powerful in lower elos, so a nerf isn't so terribly undue.

[bv310]

True, but if they wanted to nerf his tanking capabilities, cut down the ratios on Defensive Ball Curl. That's why he's a great tank, not because of Powerball.

Also, I've just started trying Jungle Yi. I have yet to play him in a proper game, but in practice games he's quite good.

[TheButtonmen]

True, but if they wanted to nerf his tanking capabilities, cut down the ratios on Defensive Ball Curl. That's why he's a great tank, not because of Powerball.

Also, I've just started trying Jungle Yi. I have yet to play him in a proper game, but in practice games he's quite good.

They aren't nerfing him because of how good a tank he is they are nerfing him because he's an amazing tank

who is impossible to escape.

[popsofctown]

True, but if they wanted to nerf his tanking capabilities, cut down the ratios on Defensive Ball Curl. That's why he's a great tank, not because of Powerball.

Also, I've just started trying Jungle Yi. I have yet to play him in a proper game, but in practice games he's quite good.

SHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!!!!

True, but if they wanted to nerf his tanking capabilities, cut down the ratios on Defensive Ball Curl. That's why he's a great tank, not because of Powerball.

Also, I've just started trying Jungle Yi. I have yet to play him in a proper game, but in practice games he's quite good.

They aren't nerfing him because of how good a tank he is they are nerfing him because he's an amazing tank

who is impossible to escape.

Well, the power level of a character is the sum of the things it can do, so often it's up to the developers where to nerf. They could have nerfed his midgame and late game tanking, or his early game ganking. They opted for the latter, which was probably a good move.

[Knight of Cydonia]

Except one of the major points of having a jungler is for them to either bluepill after they take red and blue, then gank at full strength, or gank straight after red and blue (if they're WW).
Rammus' Powerball into a taunt is pretty much his main initiation method too, which means his whole game is being nerfed.

[bv310]

His whole jungling game is getting nerfed. His laning is still there, but much weaker.

[popsofctown]

I'd probably be taking Rammus to the jungle even if powerball had no movement speed buff at all, so I don't think how he lanes is really relevant. If you want to build a comp where the tank is going to lane, you don't pick Rammus. Shen, Galio, Garen, practically everyone has a better lane game than Rammus.

@KoC: yes, it's a major nerf and he's going to pull off fewer ganks and force less conservative laning behavior. I'm not saying the nerf is insignificant, and I'm not necessarily disagreeing about whether it's an overnerf , I'm just saying I'll enjoy Powerball nerfed Rammus more than Defense Curl

Geodude

Rammus because endgame will be impacted less than earlygame. It does nerf his teamfight initiations too, but it shouldn't have as much of an impact there.

I get really steamed whenever Riot says anything about reworking Ryze, because I reported a bug on him six months ago, and reported the same bug again two months ago, and it hasn't been fixed. Debug, then balance should be the order IMO.

[Verbs]

I still play dota.

I've seen my friends play lol/hon but the level of play (even ~1800 on hon) looks to be horrible.

Lmk if anyone wants to play sometime.

[bv310]

So yeah, new Ryze is actually pretty fun. His R spell is totally useless now, though.

If anyone wants to add me, I'm bv310 in LoL too. I'm going to be on a lot this week, since it's Reading Week up here.

[Shanba]

eh. MOBA communities in general I find to be SIGNIFICANTLY more poisonous in their dealings with other people that those of other games. Sure you get flamed occasionally when playing generic FPS or whatever, but nothing quite on the same scale. I guess it's because one bad player in these types of games can actually just flat out lose you the game, but still it's extremely unpleasant. Particularly as the people doing the raging are often absolute

morons

. Like, they'll engage 1v5 and you'll back off and let them die and then they'll rage at

you

. It's like, what the hell do you expect will happen when you try and fight their whole team as eve while our whole team is on the other side of the map?

I have serious problems with tryndamere. Not because he's op or up or whatever, but because I've yet to have a player play him and not feed horribly - and feed horribly not necessarily because of the champ mechanics but just cuz they're bad and think they're invincible or something. Actually, in general I find that people picking melee dps means it's going to be a difficult and frustrating game (fuck all yi, trynd, jax, xin etc players. THEY ALL BAD). Unless the melee dps is on the other team in which case you can't get the team to focus the 11/3 full glass cannon jax who dies if poked but takes down three people in the blink of an eye if left unchecked. -_-

[popsofctown]

Premades are fun.