Stars Aligned III - The Tenth Day

[Nicodemus]

Wicked - maaaaybe
Wraith - heck no techno (unless he was cleared for some reason that I'm not remembering)
Hito - Definitely the most likely of the three, but not sure how likely

[Triglav]

Prod received - apologies all around we are the suck.

CD9

Username: Triglav aka The 'Glav aka The Suck
Did you Hear Noise? Yes.
Did you Ward? If so, who? No.
Did you gain Insanities, and if so, which ones and from what actions? Yes, we stalked and gained Solist (lost books), we also were passed a fetish and gained Taboo (books)
List all of the insanities you currently have: Twitchy, Compulsion, Obsession, Taboo (books), Solist
Did you successfully resuscitate? If so, who? No.
Were you murdered? No.
Did you Commune or Investigate? If so, who, and what result? No.
Are you bloody? No.
Did you Stalk? Yes, Feysal.
Twitch? *twitch*
Vote: Triglav
Unvote, Vote: Benmage
Unvote, Vote: Xvart
Unvote, Vote: Benmage
Unvote, Vote: Xvart
Unvote

Will be reading up/catching up throughout day as time allows.
Work is evil
Will respond to things as strikes our fancy.
Playfullness is joy
Will then be fairly on top of things moving forward.

[Triglav]

Well, essentially there is leeway for one insanity to be chosen differently with how hito made the list. I took mutilation as my sixth insanity, as prescribed by the list. It was an executive decision that I still feel is protown. I think me having access to equipment is more important in late game than people checking me with forensics tools.

And at near endgame when scum cannot afford to be laundering it does what for us?

Hate Trilo stalk - demand Triglav get murder. Triglav is capable of inflicting mass death and wishes this known.
Want lynch Nacho murder Feysal for assured scum death if mislynch happens.

But someone DID get corpse dust, so we're lynching from grave robbers today, I think. And if Feyesal didn't graverob, then...

What is this logic? Was this discussion from yesterday about how scum have grave dust?
Or is this left field?

Oh, wait, you have decided Seacore never rezzed and use that as basis of case

I really dislike Triglav dropping off the the face of the earth after the Kunk lynch. It's just reinforcing to me that there was some elaborate plan to keeping him alive that the lynch ruined.

And he would then be alive and everybody would be like - oh hai, look, Triglav is scum!

Whut?

And we weren't even ones who all of a sudden are like - *must* lynch scum, let's ignore Kunk. We pointed that out instead.
Oh durn, ya caught us making sure he survived at all costs.


Last two pages after lunch. Then awesomeness.

[Trilobite]

I'm treating Triglav's stalk claim as a scum claim.

I'm dead serious.

Where in the previous day phase did he express ANY interest in lynching Feysal?

COME ON. REALLY?

[Trilobite]

That claim is the ONLY thing that makes us a viable lynch candidate again.

Tell me I'm not the only one who sees through this.

After all that luuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuurktastic action.

[Iecerint]

Well, you just indicated that he did the Feysal/Nacho dichotomy stuff ages ago. So there's that. I agree that the timing is very questionable, though.

Triglav, claim your actions.

[Triglav]

Huge post is huge. Apologies.

Feysal and Nacho are linked. The flip of one reflects on the other, plus we have a stalk on Feysal, we're not lynching him today. Especially with him claiming marked today, there is no way if he is town cult are gonna waste two kits to rezz him. Letting Feysal go into night also allows him to kill VP although I seriously doubt this will happen because he is cult.

ITT we plan for someone we claim as obvious scum to lynch someone *else* we claim as obvious scum.
Also, one of those obvious scum is who Trilo stalked - please ignore this.
Totally don't need to kill the scum who we believe can't kill who we're saying who needs to die.
Now we are suggesting we lynch a third person who is scum via PoE.

Yeah, Trilo is scum.

And, there's the whole VP was rezzed by cult the night TNM tried to murder him thing. I've heard some different theories, but really, it only makes sense to rez him if he's scum. I mean, which one of these scenarios is more likely:

QFT.

Out of these two we very much prefer a Trig lynch. He hasn't posted once today, we feel he is lurky scum. Also on ISO he also has an unexplained Babyspice vote and I remember him pushing Baby and being annoyed we weren't lynching her but never trying to convince anyone to actually do anything about it.

Please go post all of our awesome giant cases on everyone else.
Then die

There is also the BS of him choosing to commune nopoint when he could have communed Baby (who by the way flipped with WAY more insanities than she claimed) He also made a big show about no one communing Feysal another probcult. It's all too convenient and smacks like posturing. We think it was all for show.

...do you even bother to be aware of the game state?
We thought Baby was scum and wanted Baby dead - you don't need to commune people you intend to have dead.
You commune people in the hope of hitting a 50/50 town/scum clearance on a difficult set of reads.

I'm treating Triglav's stalk claim as a scum claim.

I'm dead serious.

Where in the previous day phase did he express ANY interest in lynching Feysal?

COME ON. REALLY?

Never did - want to lynch Nacho.
Lynch Nacho and he flips scum, than Triglav is brilliant.
Lynch and he flips town than Triglav can kill scum via stalk.
Makes no sense? We think not.

That claim is the ONLY thing that makes us a viable lynch candidate again.

Yeah, it's pretty awesome for that.
No worries though, right, you didn't want to murder Feysal in any case.
Yeah, keep flapping.

Triglav, claim your actions.

Action claim. For Triglav is man of action.
Night 0 - Search: occult books
Night 1 - Search: res kit
Night 2 - Commune: npau/nacho
Night 3 - Res: Seacore
Night 4 - Res: - npau/nacho
Night 5 - Res: - Seacore
Night 6 - Stalk: kunkstar
Night 7 - Stalk: kunkstar
Night 8 - Stalk: feysal

Vote: VP Baltar

We kill Feysal, tomorrow Trilo.

[Trilobite]

There's not enough room in this game for the both of us Trig.

One of us has to die today and it might as well be you.

[Trilobite]

No mention of ever being suspicious of Feysal, yet now

suddenly

somehow Feysals is obvscum.

No mention of why he didn't stalk us.

Seriously, scum team implosion.

One of Trig or us has to be lynched today that much is clear and the fact he votes for VP instead is just bullshit.

[Triglav]

You say Feysal is obvious, we said you say this - lurn 2 reed.
We think he's decent chance for scum, and want to kill him for confirmage.
You want to not kill him so he can fail to stalk VP and confirm himself as scum...?

No mention of why he didn't stalk us.

Yet we did describe exactly why we stalked Feysal.
Called covering bases and saving asses.
When everyone agrees it's 50/50 one of them is scum
Sorry to apply logic to this game, our bad.
Why'd you stalk him and now not want to kill him at all again?

One of Trig or us has to be lynched today that much is clear and the fact he votes for VP instead is just bullshit.

What equipment does VP have that has you so worried in protecting him?

[Trilobite]

Your explanation of a Feysal stalk is weak. You still have not explained why you didn't stalk us, if you want to kill for confirmation we were a prefect choice considering the cult had little means to ward anyone last night. Your deflection is noted however.

Also, we can't both go to night with claimed Feysal stalks because it clears no one. A VP lynch shouldn't make any sense to you considering that you want this kill to confirm you. You only want to lynch VP today and us tomorrow because you NEED the Feysal kill to go though and for that you NEED us alive so we can do the deed for you.

No other explanation makes sense, you are clearly not town. None of your actions add up to town motivations so you die now.

[Nachomamma8]

YES HYDRA FIGHT

[Nachomamma8]

UNVOTE, VOTE: TRIGLAV

[totallynotmafia]

I think we should lynch Benmage.

Due to the mass fetish passing, only he and xvart can be ritualised tonight. Here's what we have now:

Benmage
Feysal
Iecerint
Nachomamma8
Nicodemus
totallynotmafia
Triglav
Trilobite
VP Baltar
xvart

So if we lynch Benmage, we force cult into ritualising xvart. This gets rid of our two suicidal players, and puts us tomorrow with:

Feysal
Iecerint
Nachomamma8
Nicodemus
totallynotmafia
Triglav
Trilobite
VP Baltar

We'll be in mylo, but we may actually be in mylo today. Say we lynch triglav today and he flips investigator, then xvart is killed tonight. That puts us in:

Benmage
Feysal
Iecerint
Nachomamma8
Nicodemus
totallynotmafia
Trilobite
VP Baltar

If Benmage is town, then cult have won, as BM only needs three votes to be lynched.

Therefore, I think lynching Benmage is the right option today. Basically this is our chance to get a free lynch on Benmage to see if he's scum seeing as we'll be going from mylo today to mylo tomorrow.

Well, it may be lylo, as I think Feysal should go through with the kill on VP. If VP is successfully murdered we will be in lylo but Feysal will be confirmed. If VP flips town then that's another confirmed town in me, although we wont know that until the next day.

Just in case I've missed something major in my plan to lynch Benmage I'll hold off on the vote for now, but please discuss.

[VP Baltar]

Vote:Nacho

I don't really feel like you believe a word you say in regards to your scumhunting. First it is 100% guaranteed that there is scum between Trilo and I. Then you have to cover your ass for a glaring mistake (though it's still likely!). Now you are abandoning all of that for 'hydra fight'. Stirring the pot for any lynch you can get I say. Either that or you feel the need to bus Triglav. Weird and inconsistent all around.

[Iecerint]

Cult could have had more than one fetish of a player. As such, lynching Benmage will probably eliminate a town player without changing the suicidal threshold. Killing just him is not wise. It's the same reason I didn't murder him last night.

I think the best move is to try to lynch cult.

[VP Baltar]

Where is feysal exactly?

[Trilobite]

Crying in his quick topic.

VP, opinions on Trig please.

[VP Baltar]

You just asked me that yesterday

However, I do agree with you that his vote on me is strange today. If the choice is between you and him today, then I would obviously want to lynch him.

[Trilobite]

*Sigh*

Perhaps I need to be clearer. I'm talking directly about his bullshit claim of Feysal. You really have nothing to say about that at all? Come on man.... I'm not buying it. Your Nacho vote makes me want to pull my hair out. We need a wagon and you seem to think Trig is possible scum, right? So lets do this.

[Trilobite]

Yo, TNM you realize both ourself and Trig have claimed Feysal stalks right? Trig might be full of crap, but if we make it to night Feysal is dying. I'm not really moved by your lynch Benmage plan at all. Who are your top cult suspects?

[Triglav]

Your explanation of a Feysal stalk is weak. You still have not explained why you didn't stalk us, if you want to kill for confirmation we were a prefect choice considering the cult had little means to ward anyone last night. Your deflection is noted however.

You are obviously choosing to ignore what we have said.
Why did you stalk someone that today you have advanced a plan that makes you not want to kill them?

Also, we can't both go to night with claimed Feysal stalks because it clears no one. A VP lynch shouldn't make any sense to you considering that you want this kill to confirm you. You only want to lynch VP today and us tomorrow because you NEED the Feysal kill to go though and for that you NEED us alive so we can do the deed for you.

The deed you were saying you wouldn't do because Feysal needed to kill VPB in some insane theory of yours?
It it makes you happy though;

Unvote: VPB
Vote: Trilobyte

We can then kill Feysal and be confirmed and lynch VPB tomorrow. Win/win.

[Trilobite]

A bit late but welcome to the party finally, I hope you brought the ice.

This should have been a logical conclusion for you the minute you read the game after your lurkfest, but then you aren't town so I can't hold it against you that much.

Since you're busy playing lets-not-answer-any-real-questions, AKA The DEFLECTDEFLECTDEFELCT!!! game, you won't get a direct response from us about any of your VP rants until you explain, in slow and painful detail why you stalked Feysal over us.

I'm talking about why you thought Feysal was cult over us, over VP, over Nacho. In a perfect world you'll deliver quotes showing your working even. I don't understand why this is so hard for you to do, you had to reason it somehow last night right?

...Right?

[Iecerint]

Trilo, could you explain to me (after Trig attempts it) why it's so irrational for Trig to target Feysal (assuming you're hiding a more specific piece of evidence)?

[Trilobite]

His ISO is a great place to start, but these four posts between us are probably the pick of the litter

http://www.mafiascum.net/forum/viewtopi ... 4#p2798464

HINT: Trig thinks our case sucks and implies he doesn't seem to find Feysal scummy.