American Gods Mafia - Game over

[SGRaaize]

SGR: so you don't think Ythill coming up with 'far-fetched' reasons to vote WC is scummy?

Meh, stand-alone, it might be, but I have a Town-Tell on Ythill overall

Also, you never answered my question about me talking about WC's schedule.

I thought you were the one that didn't answer,

SGR: I'll answer you once WC answers.

[Locke Lamora]

I answered in the post where I voted you.

[SGRaaize]

I asked WC about his schedule statement because for him to declare it unprompted, particularly when he wasn't actually about to go on V/LA, hinted at a concern that people might call him out on his schedule otherwise.

So...?

I think that's more likely to be a scum concern than town.

I honestly don't see why, I think you saw WC being targeted by people and decided to add your own spin so you could join the BW on him if it ever picked up steam, there's absolutely nothing scummy about saying when you are inactive, its a complete null-tell

Why did you think it was a) weird and b) lynch-worthy for me to ask that?

Answer above

[SGRaaize]

Also, regarding those who suspect me because of my "Have fun" giving up message, I can't blame you for that one, but there's context behind it.
I was gonna sleep (as it can be noted from the space between that message and the next message) and I was expecting the Lynch to fall on me by those 8 hours, so I gave my last message.

It is scummy, I'l admit that, but I am not Scum

[Ythill]

I didn't think it was scummy.

He's definately on my people's radar that were talking...

What was this sentence going to be before you changed your mind? Also, what's making you spidey-tingle about Llama? Forgive me for nitpicking, but I'd really like it if we had a town majority Backstage.

@Llama:

There was the populist lean I mentioned in #52. In that same post ani quickly failed to elect himself right after OGML said it was okay. He beat a dead horse in #69 after it had become apparent that people were distracted by the exchange with Wrath. In #115, he cherry-picked a Reason^TM to place the L-3 vote when shameless would have been fine. And now he's focusing on talking-points from the past to the exclusion of current events (#169).

@Wolf:

People who park on their top suspect are worse for the town than a scum JoaT. My vote is a tool and I will use it as I wish, especially on D1. If I feel it has potential to create info, I'll vote a townread FFS.

@SGR & LL:

Even if changing one's behavior in response to attention was far-fetched as a scumtell (which it's not), it was an accusation I made on page one. I had seven posts to work with. Why are you guys acting like I should have had a surgical-steel case before I called for a BW? Or do you think it's better for us to lulz around in the RVS for two days?

Now, Ythill has made good points aside from this (and he followed a BW on me while saying I'm a Town-read, so, basically, he wants to lynch someone, which isn't Scummy, wasting days with NL's = Scummy) and I trust him.

Lolwat? You think I was trying to lynch you

and

that makes me town? I had no intention of letting you get past L-2.

FWIW, I'm just going to go ahead and suggest that people unfamiliar with me take a look at my meta so we can stop being distracted by playstyle issues.

[WrathChild]

Read-Notes

1.

A Gaggle of Geese (Faraday / chesskid3 hydra):

Has been playing pretty level-headed. Seems to have good intnetions. Again, this will be a bit biased, but I think his comment asking me to take a break as opposed to dominating the next 10-20 pages, shows good instincts. I could see why it would be a benefit to the scum to have a long drawn out argument between a few people dominate the day's discussions. If Gaggle was scum I think he would have been instigating the argument not mediating. However, that brings me to my slight concern about him, I don't see him scum-hunting, I mostly just see him mediating. I still think I have a town enough read on him to support him backstage, especially considering I agree with the benefits of having a hydra there.

2.

Nexus:

V/LA, but I don't like that he left a vote on the table before he left.

3.

vezokpiraka:

The two posts made by Vezo don't really warrant a fair read, however with the only non-RVS post getting on the ani bandwagon with little insight to as why seems a bit weak and his lurker status is suspicious.

4.

werewolf555

: With a whopping one post, which votes Ghost on the basis of being in a game with him, I see nothing but lurker-scum.

5.

Tasky:

Promised to comment with his first post and left me a bit disappointed with his second. I disagree with his interpretations of the comment he quoted where I expressed confussion as to why I was being voted, but no where did I act like "Oh shit!" like he stated in order to try to ellude to me contridicting my self within that post. Then he votes SGR with no reasoning besides the quote,
[quote=SGRaaize]Alright, so I'm being voted here.
Honestly, looking back at this game, I see nothing I did wrong, thus I don't feel guilty of this wasted day.
Have fun[/quote]
His accusation of me is weak and his vote on SGR pretty weak as well. I kind of get a skimmer-vibe from Tasky. Please note, I understand the idea of voting a give-upper especially considering the nature of this game's mechanics.

I'm leaning towards scum but it's near impossible to get a good read off two posts.

6.

OhGodMyLife:

When I see someone Tunnel-Vision from their very first post I see someone that is either scum or not willing to actually play the game as it is intended and will drag town down with them. Either way OGML is an excellent lynch.

7.

Ghostlin:

Obviously didn't get my nerd joke, sarcasm is hard on the internet. So after I read his ISO, I had to go back and look at the cases being made on him because nothing really jumped out at me. I see Ythill put him at the top of his scumlist, but I see no explanation as to why. When pried further Ythill mentions Too Helpfull in #22 (I don't get this impression at all), Skimming and cognative dissonance in #43 (I do see some evidence of that and I think SGR and Seacore touch on that too) and populist in #76 (I have no clue what that term means in Mafia). Overall I don't get scum-read on Ghost.

8.

SGRaaize:

Overall has had pretty town play as of late, but earlier on he seemed to express a bit of self-importance when saying town would lose if he's lynched, which kind of ties into my point about the fear of the noose earlier. If he's lynched and so critical to our chances of winning, why would he just not assume that we would revive him when the time is right, unless of course he is scum. Overall, I have mixed feelings on SGR and need some more time to sort those out.

9.

Saint

: Yet to post and no evidence of V/LA.

MOD: Can we get a prod?

10.

Seacore:

I get a town vibe from him and he has been helpful and understanding to me as opposed to trying to push the easy lynch. However he does have a vote on LL that I don't really get and he has not expanded on it much. Care to?

11.

Apokalyptika:

Has had a few posts and demonstrates pretty good awareness of the events. I find his "Dropped off the face of the Earth" comment directed at me a bit frustrating, but that seems to my only concern with him. If I was forced to pick, I'd say town.

12.

Ythill:

At first I was very frustrated with Ythill. He's been very aggressive towards me and I'd put him in the category of targeting the easy lynch. However, he did eventually did explain his attack on me, which is more than Ani did. He seems to be very influential. I don't know if that's a good thing or not, but he seems to have the ability to get people wagoning pretty fast. I also don't like how he shotgunned out a bunch of reads and didn't expand on any of them. The wagoning townreadz is fun comment in #102 bugs me a bit as well. I have the feeling the Ythill is very good as town and very dangerous as scum. I lean towards him being dangerous and would at least like to keep him out of Backstage, but maybe not lynch him today.

13.

Llamafluff

: Seems like a good player, seems to go with town in the right places and still stands up for someone he thinks is a mis-lynch (ani). I get a town read from Llama, but I would like to refer him to this post regarding Ani.

14.

animorpherv1

: In Ani's ISO #2 he badly misreps me to the point of mudslinging. He misreps me again in ISO #4 saying I've done nothing but defend myself (see my ISO #18 for my response defuting that). I put Ani firmly in the push the easy lynch group. I think scum want to push an easy lynch and fast. The easier and faster the lynch for scum the better. He refuses to explain his vote on me because it had no substance. When Ythill attacked me he at least explained it after a while. I have a scum-read on Ani.

15.

AGar:

Seems to have a good understanding of the game and shares a lot of the same reads as I do. I get a town vibe

16.

WrathChild

: Don't need to do this

17.

farside22

: I like that she (?) is willing to put her (forgive me if I'm wrong about gender) reads out there with some explanation. I also think defending SGR was interesting, but not sure what to take from it. I don't really get a good read either way, but if I had to pick I would say town.

18.

Locke Lamora:

Seemed too interested in pushing a lynch based on my schedule announcement early on, but later seems to make a good point against SGR's election of Ythill. Overall he seems to be putting effort into scum-hunting. I have a no read on him becuase his concern about my schedule comment is reaching a bit, but he seems to have good points against SGR.

[Ythill]

I see the Wrath-post, haven't read it yet.

Mod: Could we get an extra VC this afternoon please? Also, please prod were.

[Ghostlin]

I'm acutally trying to find the reasoning for cases on my own. You've 'requested' people present you with a case. In other words, it's

pretty damn scummy

to vote for people trying to do the same thing as you.

Im saying that ani is more likely town then scum, asking for a case on him is my attempt at taking down the wagon since I dont think such a case exists.

The way you present the SGR/ani/Ythill thing, you seem to say that all three players are scummy,

but you are putting the burden of finding a case on ani on others.

I am saying ani is town, and forcing a case out of people, completely different things given how our reads differ.

Except I'm doing my own research into the matter. Frankly, honestly, I've not seen anything that screams scum, so it's more expedient for me to read back to figure out what the heck people are talking about. I think you think I find him scummy...I don't necessarly, I'm just confused on the reasons why he would be.

[SGRaaize]

Lolwat? You think I was trying to lynch you

and

that makes me town? I had no intention of letting you get past L-2.

You weren't? No offense, dude, but I find that hard to believe

[SGRaaize]

8.

SGRaaize:

Overall has had pretty town play as of late, but earlier on he seemed to express a bit of self-importance when saying town would lose if he's lynched, which kind of ties into my point about the fear of the noose earlier. If he's lynched and so critical to our chances of winning, why would he just not assume that we would revive him when the time is right, unless of course he is scum. Overall, I have mixed feelings on SGR and need some more time to sort those out.

You got it all wrong, I didn't mean Town will lose if it lynches me, I meant Town will lose due to being derpy if it lynches me for the reasons its lynching me

[SGRaaize]

BTW, read notes are a pretty bitchin idea, but I'm way too lazy to do them anywhere other than at the beginning of the days.

[WrathChild]

Based on all of that, my top two scumspects are OGML who seems to be a trainwreck waiting to happen and Ani who has misrepped and mudslung to try to push what he views as an easy lynch.

My top three townspects are Gaggle, Seacore and Agar

Elect: Seacore, Elect: Agar

[WrathChild]

I'd be happy to switch my vote to OGML if that's the wagon today.

[SGRaaize]

I don't think so, Me, Ani and Ghostlin seem to be the only Wagons we can form D1

[Ythill]

Okay now I read it and am noting the giant fence marks in Wrath's backside. It's funny that he calls stances with lack of explicit reasoning scummy during a WoT where he gives reasoning without explicit stances which is, you know, actually scummy. (Edit: ninja'd by the tldr stances in 186, nvm.)

@Wrath:

Populist = having opinions that agree too closely with the consensus or with the recently stated stances of aggressive players. Farside = female.

I have the feeling the Ythill is very good as town and very dangerous

as

to

scum.

I think this fix better summarizes why you're scared of me. And yes, it's going to be much worse after I've spent some time Backstage with my townreads.

@SGR:

I guess prepare to be amazed by how bad your assumptions are.

[Locke Lamora]

SGR: Of course there's nothing inherently scummy about declaring V/LA. That's not what I said. I said that the way WC offered the information up unprompted suggested he had concerns about people calling him out on it and to me that concern is something that is more likely to come from scum. Sure, townies can do it, but I think scum are more likely to be thinking about it. Evidently you disagree with that, but I don't think it's hard to see why scum would be more concerned.

Ythill: I don't think your point was particularly far-fetched, nor do I think you should have had a rock-solid case at that stage, and I never said either. My problem is with SGR spending a lot of time criticising your logic and talking about how far you were reaching, but that not being at all consistent with him electing you. He appears to have little comprehension of much of your logic, so I fail to see how he is quite happy to put trust in you to go backstage.

WC: can you tell me when I tried to push a lynch on you based on your schedule announcement?

[Ythill]

Oh, looking back I guess I missed your quote fingers around 'far-fetched.' My bad.

FTR, I did understand the thrust of your attack but I don't agree with it. Drastic read changes are going to happen as the info vacuum fills up. On the other hand, SGR's response sounded like flailing, which may be something.

[Jahudo]

“Every hour wounds. The last one kills.”

Nexus is V/LA until Tuesday, March 8.
Llamafluff is V/LA from March 5 to March 9.

Lynch Vote Count

SGRaaize (6) - OhGodMyLife, Ghostlin, Apokalyptika, animorpherv1, Tasky, Locke Lamora
Animorpherv1 (6) – WrathChild, Ythill, A Gaggle of Geese, SGRaaize, vezokpiraka, AGar
Ghostlin (2) - werewolf555, Llamafluff
OhGodMyLife (1) – farside22
Llamafluff (1) – Nexus
Locke Lamora (1) – Seacore

Not Voting (1):

Saint

With 18 alive, it takes 10 votes to lynch.

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Backstage Vote Count:

Top Four Players Go Backstage

Farside22 (9) – OhGodMyLife, animorpherv1, farside22, Seacore, SGRaaize, AGar,
Ythill, Apokalyptika, Locke Lamora
Ythill (7) – Llamafluff, Seacore, animorpherv1, Agar, farside22, SGRaaize, Vezokpiraka
A Gaggle of Geese (7) – Vezokpiraka, WrathChild, Ghostlin, Apokalyptika, AGar, Llamafluff, Locke Lamora
Seacore (6) – Ythill, Seacore, Vezokpiraka, A Gaggle of Geese, SGRaaize, WrathChild
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Llamafluff (5) – Ythill, Llamafluff, OhGodMyLife, animorpherv1, Locke Lamora
Ghostlin (2) – A Gaggle of Geese, Ghostlin
AGar (2) – farside22, WrathChild
OhGodMyLife (1) – OhGodMyLife

Not Voting (15):

A Gaggle of Geese x1, Nexus x3, werewolf555 3x, Tasky x3, Saint x3, Apokalyptika x1, Ghostlin x1

Today's deadline is March 19 at 6:00 PM EST

Saint has been prodded.

[Ythill]

Thanks, Jah.

UNVOTE: ani
VOTE: Ghostlin

Pile on, leaners.

[Seacore]

I see Locke responded much earlier to my concern about his comment to WC about his schedule. I missed it, and I thought Locke not responding to it was a bigger scum tell than the original comment.

But he did respond, my bad.

as such

Unvote.

But maintain a slight FOS, I still think it could be scum looking for an easy angle.

Instead, I will jump onboard the Ghostlin train, he looks scummier than he did in No Exit Mafia, where he was town.

Vote Ghostlin

[Ythill]

Hi there, Seacore.

@Mod: is there some reason you didn't prod werewolf?

@Wrath:

I asked you whether you read the rules. Answer please.

[SGRaaize]

Ghostlin is def more scummy than Ani, although I don't see the reason for the change now that the Bandwagon is midway.
Still, I rather get Ghostlin killed than Ani

Unvote

Vote: Ghostlin

[Ythill]

He seems to be very influential... he seems to have the ability to get people wagoning pretty fast.

[Ythill]

@SGR:

The reason for the change is that we are far from done with D1. And, actually, ani is scummier than Ghost by current standings, but I suppose you had no way of knowing that.

[werewolf555]

Ghostlin is def more scummy than Ani, although I don't see the reason for the change now that the Bandwagon is midway.
Still, I rather get Ghostlin killed than Ani

Unvote

Vote: Ghostlin

Boom.
I detected scum in my first post.
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