American Gods Mafia - Game over

[farside22]

Preview edit: Um...Farside? How would scum know if Vezo has info?

They don't but Seacore is saying Vezo does not, or if he does then it leads to no where. I suspect Vezo would track someone he was suspicious of. Whether the mod gave info to the player before he was killed or not I don't know.
Also I'm tired of people saying there is no doctor or acting like bring back a player will lead to their auto death. Hell there could be a watcher in the game. We don't know.

What does waiting one more day do LL? How does not bring back the tracker sooner help the town?

[Jahudo]

”That night he had dreamed of an ochard under the moonlight, of skeletal white-trees, their branches ending in bony hands, their roots going deep down into the graves.”

Resurrection Vote Count

8 Votes Required

vezokpiraka (4) – SGRaaize, Apokalyptika, farside22, Saint

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Sacrifice Vote Count

8 Votes Required

MagnaofIllusion (2) – farside22, Saint
OhGodMyLife (2) – SGRaaize, Apokalyptika

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Lynch Vote Count

8 Votes Required

Apokalyptika (4) – Fate, OhGodMyLife, farside22, Seacore
Llamafluff (2) – Apokalyptika, SGRaaize
Fate (2) – Kublai Khan, Locke Lamora
MagnaofIllusion (1) – AGar
AGar (1) - Saint

Not Voting (5):

LynchMePls, MagnaofIllusion, Llamafluff, WrathChild, A Gaggle of Geese

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Backstage Vote Count:

Top Four Players Go Backstage

Farside22 (6) – Seacore, farside22, A Gaggle of Geese, Fate, Kublai Khan, Saint
A Gaggle of Geese (6) – Seacore, farside22, A Gaggle of Geese, OhGodMyLife, Fate, Saint
Fate (5) – Fate, OhGodMyLife, A Gaggle of Geese, farside22, Saint
LynchMePls (2) – Llamafluff, Kublai Khan
Kublai Khan (2) – Llamafluff, Kublai Khan
Seacore (1) – Seacore
AGar (1) - Llamafluff

Not Voting (22): LynchMePls x3, MagnaofIllusion x3, OhGodMyLife x1, SGRaaize x3, Apokalyptika x3, AGar x3, WrathChild x3, Locke Lamora x3

Day 2 ends on April 9 at 4:00 PM EST

[Locke Lamora]

I already explained that. You're thinking about it as simply bringing back a tracker. I'm thinking about it as bringing back a 100% mod-confirmed townie. It's pretty simple to see why a confirmed townie is more useful later in the game. If you want to talk exclusively about the tracking ability, I still think it's more valuable later in the game. For example, if Vezo gets one more night to track in the game, I'd rather it was N4 than N3, simply because he would have at least a couple fewer targets to choose from, and more information to go on. I don't think he's going to come back as a 100% confirmed town tracker and survive for very long. If he stays dead and the situation arises where he has a good chance of using his ability AND he only has a handful of people to track, that's a far better trade than it is right now.

[farside22]

@LL: You do realize there seem to be 2 kills a day? I highly doubt that Ythill was vig killed. Did you crunch the numbers with the worst idea in your head yet? By day 4 it's already close to too late to get info. By Night 3 when there is a tracker to do something there should be 11 players alive. Waiting one more day is 9 players alive and possible MYLO depending on the set up.


What is your thought on the Apoko case?

[LimMePls]

Sorry everyone, but I need V/LA for the next day, maybe 2. Pretty swamped. I'll post ASAP.

[WrathChild]

Ok, caught up. A lot going on.

First:

Elect: Gaggle, OGML, and Fate

I don't know Fate but have heard a few things about him, so correct me if I'm reading him wrong, but it seems pretty damn obvious why he and OGML should be back there. I think Gaggle should stay back there as I like my read on him and the fact that he's a hydra.

Second:
We should not be sacrficing OGML. I don't mind the idea of a sacrifice today because it can give us a mid-day alignment which could help us picking a strong lynch. A confirmed Town-Tracker would definately be a plus. However, with Ythill dead scum we bought an extra day at least before LyLo. My internal debate with the Sacrifice-Revive today hinges on the issues with liking the extra lynch, but not being sure the timing is right.

Third:
@Farside: Why do you think Ythill was not Vig killed?

Fourth:
I ended yesterday on a "Not Voting" and normally don't like to, but I did see the lynch on 00icon happening as fast as it did. My last post of the day was addressing Llama's "Town-read" on OGML, which really had no basis, so I was in middle of going over Llama again and I really saw nothing indicating that he is town. So to continue what I started:

Vote: Llama

There is also apparently some sort of Backstage issue that has contributed to the building wagon on him, which I may have missed if it was already addressed.

Fifth:
I think everyone needs to reread the sacrifice mechanics. It happens in a sequence. The Ressurect happens first (on a mjority vote (8) of who to ressurect) THEN the vote to sacrifice happens, but before the Ressurected player returns. So everyone should decide if they want to Ressurect Vezo or not. Then the vote to who to sacrifice should be discussed.

This is all that has fit into my tiny brain for now. I'm sure more to come.

[WrathChild]

Also, why is Vezo allowed to vote for his own resurrect?

[Jahudo]

Also, why is Vezo allowed to vote for his own resurrect?

Mod error. I meant to say A Gaggle of Geese, and it has been fixed

[SGRaaize]

The lapses of logic on the Ressurection from Seacore and LL are astounding.

"If we Revive him, he'l just be killed by the next night"
"If we revive him later, he'l be far more important"

Are you kidding me? There are probably protectors still alive at this stage of the game, if a clear Tracker managed to survive in the end-of-the-game situation to give us useful information, then it sure as fuck can survive at this stage, what with more PR's around the place and a possible Watcher or Doctor

So, yeah, simply put, we revive the Tracker today, any objections to this idea have been ridiculous.

[WrathChild]

I think I'm starting to agree with the above.

Resurrect: Vezo

[MagnaofIllusion]

Elect – LMP, Farside, Saint

My reads on LMP and Farside haven’t changed and Saint was willing to speak up and go after Ythill despite the flack he got for being against “Obv Town Ythill”

VOTE: OGML – This isn’t rocket-science people. Scumtastic Day 1 + Ythill’s “I don’t want to wagon him, let’s do anyone else” + his sad buddying when he knows he’s toast and Fate suddenly plays White Knight for him.

Resurrecting today isn’t wise … even if we got rid of obv-scum OGML.

1. We have a limit of 2.
2. Vezok is vezok.
3. As others have said … PoE is powerful later. Ythill’s death pushes a potential MYLO / LYLO back.

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We should sacrifice today to revive vezo. I should be the one sacrificed.

Just follow his desires to leave the game and hang him.. A Day 2 scum lynch is always helpful.

This post is hugely informative.

I have a question – what makes this list by Ythill more informative than the others he did. Looking at your ‘analysis’ I would guess it lined up with the fake-hunting you want to do.

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EXACTLY SGR, he was playing the LONG game. Aka bussing all of his buddies one by one to remain the Town Hero alive at the end of the game who was always doc protected

Gee, on one hand I know you talk from experience on this kind of play. Good to know you also know it only works as a Godfather.

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I am so surprised about vezok being NK'd.

I need to do some thinking here, thats two flips I didnt see coming.

At least one of these is scum looking to get ‘Town points’ by being surprised by the flips.

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stop making bad posts llama. plz.

If you think he is scum why would you ask him to stop making scummy posts?

[WrathChild]

Afraid of a tracker MoI?

[SGRaaize]

The lapses of logic on the Ressurection from Seacore and LL are astounding.

"If we Revive him, he'l just be killed by the next night"
"If we revive him later, he'l be far more important"

Are you kidding me? There are probably protectors still alive at this stage of the game, if a clear Tracker managed to survive in the end-of-the-game situation to give us useful information, then it sure as fuck can survive at this stage, what with more PR's around the place and a possible Watcher or Doctor

So, yeah, simply put, we revive the Tracker today, any objections to this idea have been ridiculous.

[A Gaggle of Geese]

I dont think he's as likely scum aymore just playing poorly Magna. Either way I don't want him lynched today and it should be pretty obvious why I said those posts were bad (as opposed to scummy)

No on reviving the tracker, it's odds go up of catching scum as the game go on, today is not optimal.

[WrathChild]

Gaggle, who do you want backstage with you?

[WrathChild]

And why?

[farside22]

Third:
@Farside: Why do you think Ythill was not Vig killed?

Many people thought Ythill was town. I think only Saint called out Ythill and I questioned his behavoir. MOI had a few choice words but other then that no one really seemed to believe he was scum.
Even the 3 of us backstage felt he was town. I can't see a vig kill toward Ythill. I think he even thought he was safe (wait he's scum that's why), but I know in my head I believed a doc would protect him. LMP stated as much BS as well.

[Fate]

Oh look MoI posts and doesn't even comment on my entrance or alignment AT ALL except that I'm "playing the White Knight" (which would make OGML town and me scum in typical usage of the terms)

HURRR DURR

[WrathChild]

Third:
@Farside: Why do you think Ythill was not Vig killed?

Many people thought Ythill was town. I think only Saint called out Ythill and I questioned his behavoir. MOI had a few choice words but other then that no one really seemed to believe he was scum.
Even the 3 of us backstage felt he was town. I can't see a vig kill toward Ythill. I think he even thought he was safe (wait he's scum that's why), but I know in my head I believed a doc would protect him. LMP stated as much BS as well.

So you're suggesting a SK?

[Kublai Khan]

Actually, I'd like to read MagnaofIllusion's opinion of Nexus/Fate as well.

Re: the Ressurect/Sacrifice question..

I'm not seeing the benefit of using up one of our two ressurections right away. Vezokpiraka's one tracking result isn't super beneficial unless we've already done a mass claim and she can expose a liar. Plus she's not a terrible active or good scum-hunter. She's be a confirmed townie... but so what?

I think we need to hold off using the mechanic for at least another day to see if there's a better role/player to bring back.

@WrathChild - Why is it obvious that Fate should be backstage?

[Fate]

WrathChild obviously thinks I'm a [REDACTED]

Regardless, I

SHOULD

be backstage.

[A Gaggle of Geese]

I want the people we're electing backstage, namely Fate, Farside us and idc about the 4th. Maybe OGML or Seacore would be fun.

[A Gaggle of Geese]

Oh the why, Idk it'll be fun. Also Fate looks town, farside's town and I think seacore and ogml are town. Scum be scared yo.

[WrathChild]

WrathChild obviously thinks I'm a [REDACTED]

Regardless, I

SHOULD

be backstage.

Well, I tried to be a little less obvious about it than that.

[Fate]

NO YOU DIDNT NEWBLET.

SOMETIMES ITS BETTER TO KEEP YOUR MOUTH SHUT AND JUST SHEEP VOTE