[OLD] Open Setup Ideas and Discussion

Amrun · Post Post #2925 (ISO) » Sat Apr 02, 2011 5:49 pm

Oh, wait, nvm, I do see how it gives scum a free kill. Hmm.

Well, that would be the risk in announcing protect, therefore it's unlikely doctors would claim who they protect.

Interesting.

chkflip · Post Post #2926 (ISO) » Sat Apr 02, 2011 10:59 pm

Is it okay if I run a game by you guys that I want to play IRL? 25 player game.

Mafia
1x Godfather
1x Rocleblock Busdriver [Not only switches targets, but roleblocks the two being busdriven]
1x Ninja Hitman [Untraceable Nightkills]
1x Nexus Flavor Cop

Other Scum
1x Cult Leader [If he dies, first culted can recruit]
1x Serial Killer

Town Masons
1x Psychiatrist
1x 3-shot Lie Detector
1x Roleblocker
1x Flavor Cop

Town
1x PBO
1x PGO
1x Tracker
1x Watcher
1x Jack of all Trades (1-shot vanillaizer, Tree Stump, 3-shot Fisherman)
1x Bomb
1x Friendly Neighbor
1x Doublevoter
1x Rough Cop [20% chance ability will silence, immobilize,

or

roleblock; 40% chance to do nothing at all]
1x Role Cop
1x Bodyguard
1x Ability Upgrader [If chosen as a target for a night ability, they will upgrade the ability e.g. the Watcher could successfully watch the Ninja/Nexus scum PRs]
3x Vanilla

DarthYoshi · Post Post #2927 (ISO) » Sun Apr 03, 2011 2:18 am

@ABR: I can see how a Mafia rolecop would help out the Hardboiled setup, but I think if you did that, maybe change it to a 13-player setup and add an extra VT? The PRs in Hardboiled are already pretty swingy, and a rolecop that would help the Maf eliminate them sooner seems more apt to increase that swinginess, whereas an extra VT would give town a second mislynch in case the game swings towards the worst-case scenario for town (which is, D1 mislynch on town, and three town die N1 (tracker/vig chooses vig and shoots town, maf shoots town, and hider hides between one of the two shot townies), which creates MyLo on D2). A Mafia rolecop + 1 VT would, together, address both balance and swinginess.

Just a thought, take it FWIW.

Empking · Post Post #2928 (ISO) » Sun Apr 03, 2011 2:37 am

Empking's Operation

2 Mafia Doctors (Don't get a kill)

3 Doctors
3 Townies

If an even number of "Doctors" target the same player then that player dies.

drmyshottyizsik · Post Post #2929 (ISO) » Sun Apr 03, 2011 5:58 am

0 is an even number...

gandalf5166 · Post Post #2930 (ISO) » Sun Apr 03, 2011 6:02 am

Empking wrote:
Empking's Operation

2 Mafia Doctors (Don't get a kill)

3 Doctors
3 Townies

If an even number of "Doctors" target the same player then that player dies.

I actually like that far better than the old one.

Olinea · Post Post #2931 (ISO) » Sun Apr 03, 2011 6:35 am

If a Mafia Doctor is lynched, isn't optimal Town play to have all Doctors stop protecting, turning the game into effective nightless since it makes sure the Mafia has no kill at that point?

drmyshottyizsik · Post Post #2932 (ISO) » Sun Apr 03, 2011 6:53 am

drmyshottyizsik wrote:0 is an even number...

Empking · Post Post #2933 (ISO) » Sun Apr 03, 2011 7:02 am

drmyshottyizsik wrote:
drmyshottyizsik wrote:0 is an even number...

But is it a "number of "Doctors""?

Empking's Operation

2 Mafia Doctors (While both of them are alive they can't kill. An individual Doc has to choose between killing and protecting.)

2 Docs
2 Townies
2 VTs OR Docs (Each one is randomly decided independantly before the game.)

drmyshottyizsik · Post Post #2934 (ISO) » Sun Apr 03, 2011 7:12 am

you if 0 doctors protect someone then an even number of doctors protected them. I like the game, I just wanted to point that out.

gandalf5166 · Post Post #2935 (ISO) » Sun Apr 03, 2011 7:15 am

So is self-protecting allowed?

Empking · Post Post #2936 (ISO) » Sun Apr 03, 2011 7:15 am

gandalf5166 wrote:So is self-protecting allowed?

No.

Mist7676 · Post Post #2937 (ISO) » Sun Apr 03, 2011 7:25 am

Olinea wrote:If a Mafia Doctor is lynched, isn't optimal Town play to have all Doctors stop protecting, turning the game into effective nightless since it makes sure the Mafia has no kill at that point?

To make this not happen make it where each doctor must choose to protect.

Mist7676 · Post Post #2938 (ISO) » Sun Apr 03, 2011 1:45 pm

Masons and Monks

2 Mafia
2 Werewolves
2 Masons
2 Monks
4 Townies

People who are not werewolves are monks.

People who are not mafia are masons.

Masons and monks are not aware of the other person's role.

Night Start.

[*]Setup Made By Fiasco

Amrun · Post Post #2939 (ISO) » Sun Apr 03, 2011 3:52 pm

Olinea wrote:Okay, let's see if this is better.

Operating Room

MAFIA

1
Mafia Goon

1
Mafia Roleblocker

1
Mafia Doctor

TOWN

3
Doctors

7
Vanilla Townies

Special Mechanics:

~If 2 or more Doctors (Including the Mafia) target the same person, that person dies.

I think this is more balanced if the mafia doctor doesn't count towards (2 or more doctors) requirement.

Amrun · Post Post #2940 (ISO) » Sun Apr 03, 2011 3:53 pm

^ UNLESS mafia gets no faction kill until the doctor is dead.

Kublai Khan · Post Post #2941 (ISO) » Sun Apr 03, 2011 4:12 pm

Olinea wrote:Okay, let's see if this is better.

Operating Room

MAFIA

1
Mafia Goon

1
Mafia Roleblocker

1
Mafia Doctor

TOWN

3
Doctors

7
Vanilla Townies

Special Mechanics:

~If 2 or more Doctors (Including the Mafia) target the same person, that person dies.

What about if you make the Mafia Doctor an Anti-Doctor?

An Anti-Doctor chooses a target, if that target is Doc protected, then they die.

I used one in Mini 836, but it never succeeded.

andrew94 · Post Post #2942 (ISO) » Sun Apr 03, 2011 9:55 pm

@chkflip, who can the cult leader recruit

gandalf5166 · Post Post #2943 (ISO) » Mon Apr 04, 2011 4:28 am

Mist7676 wrote:
Masons and Monks

2 Mafia
2 Werewolves
2 Masons
2 Monks
4 Townies

People who are not werewolves are monks.

People who are not mafia are masons.

Masons and monks are not aware of the other person's role.

Night Start.

[*]Setup Made By Fiasco

This is already a setup on here.

chkflip · Post Post #2944 (ISO) » Mon Apr 04, 2011 8:02 am

@a94 - anyone who isn't mafia or the serial killer.

Amrun · Post Post #2945 (ISO) » Mon Apr 04, 2011 11:21 am

chkflip, pretty sure your set-up is too swingy for a lot of people on this site to like it. Personally, I don't mind that, but it annoys most people here.

Empking · Post Post #2946 (ISO) » Mon Apr 04, 2011 11:27 am

Amrun wrote:chkflip, pretty sure your set-up is too swingy for a lot of people on this site to like it. Personally, I don't mind that, but it annoys most people here.

Plus Mass Claim

Olinea · Post Post #2947 (ISO) » Mon Apr 04, 2011 11:44 am

Amrun wrote:
Olinea wrote:Okay, let's see if this is better.

Operating Room

MAFIA

1
Mafia Goon

1
Mafia Roleblocker

1
Mafia Doctor

TOWN

3
Doctors

7
Vanilla Townies

Special Mechanics:

~If 2 or more Doctors (Including the Mafia) target the same person, that person dies.
I think this is more balanced if the mafia doctor doesn't count towards (2 or more doctors) requirement.

I'm trying to circumvent the issue brought up by chesskid3 where, if the Roleblocker is lynched, all remaining Doctors claim on the following day and perform circular protections. The other alternative was to make all of the Doctors Macho.

Mist7676 · Post Post #2948 (ISO) » Mon Apr 04, 2011 11:44 am

gandalf5166 wrote:
Mist7676 wrote:
Masons and Monks

2 Mafia
2 Werewolves
2 Masons
2 Monks
4 Townies

People who are not werewolves are monks.

People who are not mafia are masons.

Masons and monks are not aware of the other person's role.

Night Start.

[*]Setup Made By Fiasco
This is already a setup on here.

I know. I forgot this isn't where you nominate a setup. Where is that actually? The queue?

gandalf5166 · Post Post #2949 (ISO) » Mon Apr 04, 2011 1:37 pm

Mist7676 wrote:
gandalf5166 wrote:
Mist7676 wrote:
Masons and Monks

2 Mafia
2 Werewolves
2 Masons
2 Monks
4 Townies

People who are not werewolves are monks.

People who are not mafia are masons.

Masons and monks are not aware of the other person's role.

Night Start.

[*]Setup Made By Fiasco
This is already a setup on here.
I know. I forgot this isn't where you nominate a setup. Where is that actually? The queue?

This IS where you nominate a setup. What I'm telling you is that this setup has already been approved.