Nintendo Mafia (Game Over)

[TheJakalope]

Ok, what immediately comes to my mind is that since mafia knows generally who is innocent, and I know I'm innocent, I would think the scum WOULD defend/come to my side, so that when you guys did lynch Lelouch, they could use it as leverage later on in the game if they came under suspicion. With this logic, espeonage shows up on my radar.

One person that seems to be laying somewhat low and attempting to appear to say a lot, while not actually saying much is Tragedy, so he also shows up on my radar.

These are my main 2 reads for now, I will attempt to go through some ISO's tomorrow.

[thil13]

this is exactly what I was talking about... every time I log on this game has 3-4 new pages to read and I just feel so overwhelmed by it that it doesn't feel right for me to post since I didn't have any part in them.

I don't think it's fair that Jakalope should be lynched because of Lelouch's "douchebaggery" I believe his claim because of where it's coming from.

[lewarcher82]

huh... I didn't see Lelouch last post before mod deleted it, and now I have no idea why people are saying he claimed scum. However, it looks like mod doesn't want that post to exist, so I will have to quit referring to it, and so should do anyone else... as long as it is the topic of your discussion, I can by no means make any comments.

The nameclaim: per se it is absolutely believable, and consistent with breadcrumbs. However, it can be a scum role, or it can even be a fakename provided by the mod: I don't remember playing a themed game in which mod did not provide fake names /roles to mafia. Therefore: irrelevant.

@Jack: you are on L-2 because Dekes unvoted. Fair enough. Go on, convince me. But if the only argument you will find to explain:

Lelouch's blatant lies;
Lelouch's early claim;
Lelouch's posting a list of possible names;
Lelouch's rolefishing;
Lelouch's backtrack on Tragedy

is the fact that he was an idiot, I am afraid I won't consider your answers relevant, because it would basically be like saying: "please, ignore everything that happened so far, let me start over".

[danakillsu]

Alright. Crazy amounts of posting in the last 24 hours. I have this much to say: I would be as shocked as I've ever been about anything in mafia if Lelouch/Jackalope was town. This is not only because of scummy play, not only because of his scum-claim, but for role-related reasons as well.

[esuriospiritus]

Unvote

I'm really not keen on going into the night with four people being replaced. We still have two weeks left and Lelouch is gone, no need to rush the lynch.

@The Jakalope
It seems your main priority at the moment is staying alive. I relieved you of this pressure for the moment. You are not going to get lynched in the next couple of hours. So if you're town and wanna help town you should finish that readthrough and give an overview on your reads.

Your nameclaim is definitely true with Lelouch sloppily hinting at it several times, but wtf at the mod for including Dampe?


Too bad DTM replaced out. He's scum for sure for attacking obvtown me and even instructing any possible vig to aim for me.

esurio, do you and DTM share any conflicting history?

Mh, maybe Andy was really that emotionally involved in the Lelouch issue. I certainly do like his list sans a couple of reads.

:goodposting:

But I'd like to point out that scum were probably given fakeclaims. (PEDIT: Whoops, kept reading after this post and realized lewarcher already addressed this possibility).

Also, possibly rule fifteen could be involved.

@Mod: Clarify rule fifteen for us? Can a person pass on a message to their replacement if they are force-replaced, or only if they replace out willingly?

DTM and I have never previously interacted, at least not to my recollection.

[TheJakalope]

Lelouch passed no message on to me.

[TheJakalope]

Alright. Crazy amounts of posting in the last 24 hours. I have this much to say: I would be as shocked as I've ever been about anything in mafia if Lelouch/Jackalope was town. This is not only because of scummy play, not only because of his scum-claim, but for role-related reasons as well.

Then prepare for shock.

I mean, I wasn't ever playing with him, but Lelouch is going on my Blacklist, and not for the reasons you think. He honestly is the most anti-town townie I have ever seen. I mean, I am trying to see his mindset when he made some of these posts, and I'm honestly thinking that I got a different Role PM then he did.

[Dekes]

Y'know, you are scummier than your predecessor.


Thil, what did you expect from a

Large

Theme Game? Three pages is nothing. You should read Reckamonic's OoT Mafia some time.

[Tragedy]

@TheJakalope: Why are you completely blaming your newfound scumminess onto your previous slot? You know if you're going to make a case on him, you should do that in a game WITH him, not after replacing him. Nuh uh.

"he just wants to screw over the town that wasn't agreeing with him."

I haven't agreed anything to him, does it look like he wants to screw me over? Doesn't look like a good plan of intent.

[TheJakalope]

I was saying that he's twn except the other town members weren't agreeing with him, so he wants to force them to kill a townie.

[lewarcher82]

But I'd like to point out that scum were probably given fakeclaims. (PEDIT: Whoops, kept reading after this post and realized lewarcher already addressed this possibility).

yes, this game often requires that players who can actually play state the obvious.

@TheJakalope: Why are you completely blaming your newfound scumminess onto your previous slot? You know if you're going to make a case on him, you should do that in a game WITH him, not after replacing him. Nuh uh.

"he just wants to screw over the town that wasn't agreeing with him."

I haven't agreed anything to him, does it look like he wants to screw me over? Doesn't look like a good plan of intent.

I was saying that he's twn except the other town members weren't agreeing with him, so he wants to force them to kill a townie.

^ how to waste two posts pretending to be discussing and actually saying nothing new.


@TheJakalope: so you are basically distancing from the people who defended you (Espeo, Tragedy). Very well, perfectly consistent with you and at least one of them (possibly both) being scum.

[Tragedy]

Both defending, wut?

[TheJakalope]

Tragedy never defended me, I just found him to be laying low.

[Pinky and the Brain]

Huh.

Well, I guess my town-read on Lelouch was totally misdirected.

...

Well, Tragedy is still probably scum. Perhaps even moreso now.

She's been consistently chainsawing people attacking Lelouch.

@Lewarcher:"you say you are not really a noob VI, so you sure can handle a couple of votes, don't you?" "you played the part of the retarded newb pretty well, congrats."

So you're just voting him because he's a VI? You should at least teach the poor idiot about some parts of Mafia instead of going through the whole process of 'lynching the Newbie VI' without even making him understand the concepts.

Bad teachers are bad.

@Lew: So just because your case is pretty crappy of esuriospiritus, that's why you went back to lynching Lelouch?
"I do change my vote if my target starts looking townier or if some good case emerges. "

So you're not going to make a decent case on esuriospiritus and quit on a case you call 'crappy'?

I still think lelouch is town VI, rather than scum VI. There hasn't been much scum motivation through is stupidity, and it appears he is

trying

to get reads on people.

So you're still voting on Lelouch despite you think he's a Town VI, beautiful.
Your scuminess has been proven.

Ok, what immediately comes to my mind is that since mafia knows generally who is innocent, and I know I'm innocent, I would think the scum WOULD defend/come to my side, so that when you guys did lynch Lelouch, they could use it as leverage later on in the game if they came under suspicion. With this logic, espeonage shows up on my radar.

... And what about me?

How do you not see how obvious his "plan" was. he just wants to screw over the town that wasn't agreeing with him. He was arguing with just about all of you, why would he give you guys the scum-lynch if he didn't like any of you?

See, this makes no sense.

The people who weren't agreeing with him were by and large the people he 'thought' to be scum.

Therefore, if he is town, he wants to screw over scum (because he thinks the people disagreeing with him and annoying him he genuinely thinks to be scum). He doesn't want to screw over town, as town weren't the people annoying him. So he wouldn't claim scum, as that would screw over town, helping the people who pissed him off so much (because he believes them to be scum).

UNVOTE:
VOTE: TheJakalope

Tragedy lynch can wait until tomorrow.


@ TMH: You may have been going to do this anyway, but just in case, please quote Toasty's post on your next post for ISO purposes. Ta.


~ Hopp

[Tragedy]

Love you, Hoppster <3~

[lewarcher82]

Tragedy was caustiously opposing Lelouch wagon without providing any argument whatsoever (the "cautiously"-part makes the word "defend" that I used too strong, you are right, but this is even scummier to me)... in posts 20 and 21 she starts hinting to a different target (thil), but she did not build any case. After Lelouch's replacement, she gradually steps back and now she agrees with Dekes on Jak's scummyness. This is what I see when I open her ISO. (P-EDIT pinky provided some useful quotes, he is not lazy as I am.)

as for Espeonage, he insisted proclaiming a townread of Lelouch. I fail to see how it is even possible. Moreover, he did never provide a positive argument in favour of Lelouch either.

Rereading the last pages, I became aware that I have not paid enough attention to mb53's game. He did have a point about tragedy not posting content, but he also defended Lelouch out of nowhere: I don't like his ISO 15 and 16. I therefore accept his offer in post 16 and ask him to direct me to meta in which he defended scum and was town.

my scumreads so far: Lelouch > Espeonage > Tragedy
my townreads so far: esurio > Dekes
leaning scum: mb53 (probably not scum with tragedy)
leaning town: TMH (only leaning, because I generally like his posts, but his attack on Lelouch may be read as strong distancing)

[The Master Hand]

You answered your own question, Jakalope. Also, we're not basing our argument on solely his claim (but its there and thus lynching him should be done in any situation). He was at L-1 before that because of his actions. His only defense has been "oh, he's just a village idiot."
Sorry, but thats not enough to clear anyone as town.
-

Toast

Ahem. Please remember to post under your hydra.

Yeah, my bad
-

Toast

[Pinky and the Brain]

Love you, Hoppster <3~

Outing you as scum is the ultimate consumation of our love.

(But seriously, you're scum. Thanks for reassuring me.)


Breaching the topic of meta: I'll have another read of it, but I

[Hoppster, not Twistedspoon or this hydra account]

have played in one Open game with The Master Hand hydra, and I do seem to remember them being an similarly aggressive hydra as town. I'll post a link if anybody wants it. Their play feels virtually identical (except a few more expletives here and there).


~ Hopp

[danakillsu]

Dekesssss...hammer...it is your desssstiny.

[Dekes]

I will. As soon as we're at full strength again.

And I wanted to add, I love me some strong town core D1. Makes things so much easier.

@mod:
Not to pile on your work, but Darla has failed to pick up her role pm in another game. You may have to replace her, too. Or at least check back with her how the computer issues are coming along. And maybe you can contact ODM asking them to stay in the game now that Lelouch is removed they game and according to them, that was their main reason to drop out after all.

[Tragedy]

She did lastly posted in April 4th in some other game...

[Espeonage]

@ DTM: Personal Experience.

@ Hammer: Headdesk

@ TMH: I love you andrius, but seriously. douchfags going to be douchy. The scum claim is complete wifom and overall null. Not that it matters now.

[lewarcher82]

I am a little nervous about this scumclaim stuff now. Espy, Espy, why would anyone would let someone who has claimed VT and then, apparently, scum, stay alive after day1? He never claimed a PR, even if he were town (and he is not), his elimination would:

1) provide a lot of wagon-information;
2) eliminate a huge amount of wifom-shit.

The only reason why you would insist he is town is that you wanna appear town to us, while you perfectly know that he *is* scum because you are scum with him.

[TheJakalope]

The only reason why you would insist he is town is that you wanna appear town to us, while you perfectly know that he *is* scum because you are scum with him.

Um.. What?

Why would protecting someone he KNOWS is scum help his appearance once that person flipped scum? That's backwards.

[jmj3000]

Xtoxm replaces Ashblade. Welcome them. I am checking into darla's situation now.