American Gods Mafia - Game over

[farside22]

yeah because it's not like we've given an explanation of why we hammered seacore. never done that. not even once. if you feel both are town you lynch the one who' slightly more likely to be scum. this is fucking obvious. continue to ignore the perfectly valid explanation in the thread, I mean KK and MANGA are doing a pretty good job, KK won't even respond to my OGML town tells with words (SCARED)

i assume we had stronger townreads on the other people we voted to go backstage day 1.

While OGML has done absolutely nothing but slide by without explain any read or anything but saying you lost your town read because I find him scummy. Seriously how in any realm was OGML townier then Seacore?

[A Gaggle of Geese]

He's an obvtown townie and has been since day 1. Just because he's 'sliding by' doesn't make him scum. He's probably got stronger towntells than most players in the game (well maybe I'm being hyperbolic here but eh, it's pretty close)

[farside22]

He's an obvtown townie and has been since day 1. Just because he's 'sliding by' doesn't make him scum. He's probably got stronger towntells than most players in the game (well maybe I'm being hyperbolic here but eh, it's pretty close)

Where? Show me where he has made a case or show anyone as scum based on any read he's had.

Oh wait you can't the only one he pointed out was Apok who flipped town.

[A Gaggle of Geese]

well he's voting KK and wanting sacrafice MOI. he's done well finding scum. Making a case doesn't make one a townie. In fact it's not any sort of tell at all.

[A Gaggle of Geese]

I mean I point out 2 very strong town tells and people ignore them and ask me where he made a fucking case. Whatever.

[farside22]

well he's voting KK and wanting sacrafice MOI. he's done well finding scum. Making a case doesn't make one a townie. In fact it's not any sort of tell at all.

Based on what? Its my case yesterday on KK. No one else said much of anything.
In short OGML's "reads/ (aka votes" are following BW's without saying a word. As I stated yesterday the one case he managed to make was on Apok and looks to be saving his own ass more then anything else as on day 1 he had a town read on Apok.
That doesn't = town.

[LlamaFluff]

Leave for a couple days and people just go apeshit...

We arent killing MoI, chances are he still is town here, same situation applies for GG. Although he isnt at the same level as the other two, OGML is not getting lynched either. We also arent sacraficing today, that happens tomorrow.

Now, not that it matters much at this point, but I will throw out all results of mine since we are getting to the point where it can probably clear out quite a few players. BS players know how to take this so I wont claim 100%, but this is what I have so far apart from the N1 innocent.

N2 - SGR (now ooba) is not mafia
N3 - LMP is not mafia

Vote KK

[farside22]

Still not changing my vote.

Elect: WC, Ooba and farside22

Apok is already heading backstage and I have a town read on WC and ooba above all else

[MagnaofIllusion]

We arent killing MoI, chances are he still is town here, same situation applies for GG. Although he isnt at the same level as the other two, OGML is not getting lynched either. We also arent sacraficing today, that happens tomorrow.

More on the rest of this post when I have time but ..

FUCK NO

.

Simply put you don't get to take two obv-scum in Gaggle in OGML off the table. No dice.

And we aren't lynching KK today. Sorry, I have a bigger Town read on him than you.

[A Gaggle of Geese]

way to ignore informative pr claim jackass

[LlamaFluff]

We arent killing MoI, chances are he still is town here, same situation applies for GG. Although he isnt at the same level as the other two, OGML is not getting lynched either. We also arent sacraficing today, that happens tomorrow.

More on the rest of this post when I have time but ..

FUCK NO

.

Simply put you don't get to take two obv-scum in Gaggle in OGML off the table. No dice.

And we aren't lynching KK today. Sorry, I have a bigger Town read on him than you.

Wow, im hurt.

I am taking GG off the table. I am also taking OGML and you off the table, and then im taking ooba and LMP off the table. This aint a buffet, there is a nice resturant with a menu and you can select only one item.

[LlamaFluff]

Elect Apoc, ooba, LMP

[Apokalyptika]

Oh yeah, I watched LMP night 1 and nobody visited him. I actually didn't intend to breadcrumb, though. Magna, where does your town read on KK come from? KK, I'm not getting what that post with the picture of string or whatever was supposed to get across. Gaggle v. MoI/Gaggle v. KK is just buckets of fun.

Right now, I'm going to

Vote: KK

. I'd really appreciate Locke Lamora and WrathChild getting in here. I also just noticed that OGML flavor-claimed Spirit of the Old World; I'm somewhat more inclined to believe he's town now, but not at all sold.

[Kublai Khan]

KK won't even respond to my OGML town tells with words (SCARED)

I thought you didn't want to "debate" me.

But simply put, your town-tells are a joke. It's easy for scum-OhGodMyLife to say "Sacrifice me!" (not "Lynch me!") because at the time he said it, there was nobody worth sacrificing him for (the only dead power role (vezokpiraka-tracker) had died without results).

Also, an early vanilla claim is a town-tell? That such a stupid, stupid statement that it almost makes me want to dig up dozens of examples proving you wrong.

So since those two "tells" happened on Day 2. Now list the tells that made OhGodMyLife "obvtown" since Day 1.

@LlamaFluff - Either claim an innocent on A Gaggle of Geese or put him back on the damn table.

Oh yeah, I watched LMP night 1 and nobody visited him. I actually didn't intend to breadcrumb, though. Magna, where does your town read on KK come from? KK, I'm not getting what that post with the picture of string or whatever was supposed to get across. Gaggle v. MoI/Gaggle v. KK is just buckets of fun.

Hey look. Kublai Khan was 100% right about Apokalyptika.

Also, the picture is spaghetti thrown against the wall. The message being that Gaggle is throwing anything/everything against me and hoping that it "sticks". Note that he had earlier said "Cases are overrated" and that "he isn't going to make one" (Post 1525).

[LlamaFluff]

@KK - I dont have an innocent on GG, however I think if someone backstage is scum, its more likely farside than GG for reasons that I will go into during massclaim (save one thing that hasme paranoid but not enough to change my pushing). Again im being intentionally vauge but given my role, its best to be intentionally vauge, especially if the entire group backstage last night was town.

I just do not want a lynch of ooba, LMP, MoI or GG today. We arent lynching any of them, we arent going to sacrafice anyone. This really quick snap GG wagon just makes me uncomfortable.

What happened to yesterdays stuff? You wanted OGML dead, LL dead, now somehow the flips of Sea and AGar change all of that? I dont get it.

Ideal sac/lynch combo. Go.

[A Gaggle of Geese]

But simply put, your town-tells are a joke. It's easy for scum-OhGodMyLife to say "Sacrifice me!" (not "Lynch me!") because at the time he said it, there was nobody worth sacrificing him for (the only dead power role (vezokpiraka-tracker) had died without results).

Also, an early vanilla claim is a town-tell? That such a stupid, stupid statement that it almost makes me want to dig up dozens of examples proving you wrong.

nostats.jpg court of the gods proved me correct on this so many times and it comes from town VASTLY more than from scum. i have all ur bases u lose.

actually there was quite a bit of support for a sacrafice day 2, iirc, so saying there was no chance he was going down is flat out wrong. also his day 1 play was pretty much all pro town posts. no tells there as there are very few effective ones (I admire you wanting to try and emulate said tells, your fake attempt at backstage frustration was good but felt fakey unfortunately ^_^)


@ Magna, you love bussing why aren't you bussing KK yet?


oh and manga asked a question. one of [locke/llama] is fairly likely to be scum, but I don't think both given their interaction backstage.

[MagnaofIllusion]

@Gaggle of Scum

– I asked you SPECIFICALLY at 1570 to identify the scum backstage N2 and N3. I find it highly ironic that you attack others for “NOT ADDRESSING STUFF” but you are doing the exact same thing. Hypocricy … your name is Gaggle of Scum.

Preview edit

- Nice way to keep your option open - who again was backstage scum N2? You said they were backstage every night.

yeah because it's not like we've given an explanation of why we hammered seacore. never done that. not even once. if you feel both are town you lynch the one who' slightly more likely to be scum. this is fucking obvious. continue to ignore the perfectly valid explanation in the thread, I mean KK and MANGA are doing a pretty good job, KK won't even respond to my OGML town tells with words (SCARED)

Funny … you are a master of ignoring perfectly reasonable explanations when post in thread (anything to do with my claim which was proven right BTW) but get all flaily when people don’t accept your crap.

Fact – Your explanation make ZERO sense from a Town perspective. That you further compound it by trying to say that a Commuter is more useless than a VT just demonstrates that you have no ground to stand on and are trying to do anything you can to avoid the noose.

DIE, SCUM, DIE!!!!!!!!!!

well he's voting KK and wanting sacrafice MOI. he's done well finding scum. Making a case doesn't make one a townie. In fact it's not any sort of tell at all.

Translation

- I’ve dug my heels in too heavily regarding my Obv-scum Partner and can’t bus him now so I’m going to just throw stupid crap in thread.

Prediction

– OGML is some sort of scum PR which is why both Ythill and Gaggle have worked so hard to make sure he isn’t lynched.

way to ignore informative pr claim jackass

Oh wait – weren’t you the moron who has been throwing dirt at plenty of other PR claims (I seem to recall it went something like "lulz, Investigation role everywhere Mafia" )and hammered PR Seacore over Obv-scum OGML?

Yeah, STFU scum.

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I looked at the final count day 1 for BS and noted that everyone voting Ythill that has flippled is town. There is only 4 people (this includes myself) that have not flipped. I know I'm town and I'm wonder if the scum didn't want a connection to Ythill, but this still doesn't explain everything.

I want to explore this a little bit. Here is the break-out of the Ythill support / non-support at the end of Day 1.

Ythill

(9) – Llamafluff,

Seacore, Agar

, SGRaaize,

Vezokpiraka, Apokalyptika, Nexus

, LynchMePls, OhGodMyLife

Everyone else (8) – Gaggle, MoI, Kublai Khan, Wrathchild, farside, Locke Lamora,

00iCon

,

Saint

Some questions –

1. You mention that only 4 people from the Ythill support have not flipped. This is Llama, ooba (was SGR), LMP and OGML. I’m curious why you include yourself on that list. Per the end of day voting you were not supporting Ythill. Why do you include yourself in that list?
2. What do you make of the fact that Ythill was not supporting himself but did support all three of the others who went Backstage (yourself, LMP and Gaggle)?

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Now, not that it matters much at this point, but I will throw out all results of mine since we are getting to the point where it can probably clear out quite a few players. BS players know how to take this so I wont claim 100%, but this is what I have so far apart from the N1 innocent.

N2 - SGR (now ooba) is not mafia
N3 - LMP is not mafia

1. Please explain your motivations for investigating AGar, ooba and LMP.
2. Why, if you are indeed a Cop of some sort, are you still alive? I’d like your thoughts.

I am taking GG off the table. I am also taking OGML and you off the table, and then im taking ooba and LMP off the table. This aint a buffet, there is a nice resturant with a menu and you can select only one item.

Um, you seem to be confused. I don’t care who you particularly think shouldn’t be lynched. You aren’t in position to make demands.

Both you and Seacore shared two little tidbits that I suspect greatly

1. You both comprised Ythill’s “Town until I say otherwise” pool Day 1.
2. You both did the whole “Wow, how shocking Vezok flipped” reaction Day 2.

I’ve said before that I think one of the two of you is scum based on those facts. Seacore flipped Town. Thus I don’t trust you in the least … especially given you are defending GG and OGML scum with no reasonable explanation.

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Oh yeah, I watched LMP night 1 and nobody visited him. I actually didn't intend to breadcrumb, though. Magna, where does your town read on KK come from?

My read on KK is a combination of gut and direct experience. In short his posts read to me as coming from a Town perspective.

Add in that players I have a scum-read on (Gaggle, OGML and to a lesser degree farside) have been pushing him. That makes me lean Town on KK even that much more.

I also just noticed that OGML flavor-claimed Spirit of the Old World; I'm somewhat more inclined to believe he's town now, but not at all sold.

Why? I’d like to hear any sort of reasoning for flavor equating alignment when the Mod specifically said that alignments were scrambled 100% independent of character.

[MagnaofIllusion]

nostats.jpg court of the gods proved me correct on this so many times and it comes from town VASTLY more than from scum. i have all ur bases u lose.

So you solid base is a Single Game? Yeah, that's quite a pool to base it on.

Let's play back up your assertions - what players in Court of the Gods prove you right?

[A Gaggle of Geese]

hey MoIdumb


@KK: My townreads are perfect so far based on flips this game
dont even fucking try to question our OGML read

[Jahudo]

"Each town he passed through had an extra sign up beside the sign telling him that he was now entering Our Town (pop. 720).
The extra sign announced that the town's under-14s team was the third runner-up in the interstate basketball tournament, or that the town was the home of the Illinois girls' under-16s wrestling semifinalist.”

Resurrection Vote Count

6 Votes Required

Not Voting (11):

A Gaggle of Geese, LynchMePls, MagnaofIllusion, OhGodMyLife, ooba, Llamafluff, Kublai Khan, WrathChild, farside22, Locke Lamora, Apokalyptika

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Sacrifice Vote Count

6 Votes Required

MagnaofIllusion (2) – A Gaggle of Geese, OhGodMyLife

Not Voting (9):

LynchMePls, MagnaofIllusion, ooba, Llamafluff, Kublai Khan, WrathChild, farside22, Locke Lamora, Apokalyptika

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Lynch Vote Count

6 Votes Required

Kublai Khan (4) – A Gaggle of Geese, OhGodMyLife, Llamafluff, Apokalyptika
A Gaggle of Geese (3) – MagnaofIllusion, Kublai Khan, LynchMePls
OhGodMyLife (1) – farside22

Not Voting (3):

ooba, WrathChild, Locke Lamora

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Backstage Vote Count:

Top Four Players Go Backstage

Apokalyptika (7) – A Gaggle of Geese, ooba, MagnaofIllusion, LynchMePls, OhGodMyLife, Kublai Khan, Llamafluff
Ooba (4) – LynchMePls, MagnaofIllusion, farside22, Llamafluff
MagnaofIllusion (2) – MagnaofIllusion, Apokalyptika
WrathChild (2) – A Gaggle of Geese, farside22
A Gaggle of Geese (1) – A Gaggle of Geese
Locke Lamora (1) – OhGodMyLife
OhGodMyLife (1) – OhGodMyLife
Farside22 (1) – farside22
LynchMePls (1) – Llamafluff

Not Voting (13):

LynchMePls x1, ooba x2, Kublai Khan x2, WrathChild x3, Locke Lamora x3, Apokalyptika x2


Day 4 ends on May 2 at 12:00 PM EST

[MagnaofIllusion]

Oh look, Gaggle of Derp once again can post a pointless picture as opposed to answering questions.

LYNCH IT WITH FIRE FOR GREAT JUSTICE!!!

Confirm Vote - Gaggle of Derp

[MagnaofIllusion]

@KK: My townreads are perfect so far based on flips this game

Lulz. Of course your Townreads are "perfect" ... you role PM tells you who your partners are.

It's Ok to bus OGML .. that way you can live till tomorrow so we can sacrifice you for Seacore.

[farside22]

1. You mention that only 4 people from the Ythill support have not flipped. This is Llama, ooba (was SGR), LMP and OGML. I’m curious why you include yourself on that list. Per the end of day voting you were not supporting Ythill. Why do you include yourself in that list?
2. What do you make of the fact that Ythill was not supporting himself but did support all three of the others who went Backstage (yourself, LMP and Gaggle)?

I thought I saw I had voted him backstage.
It's hard to say with Ythill. I feel like his votes were a bit all over the place and he initially stated he had trouble reading GG, then nominates him. He argued with GG backstage for the same thing he (almost) as me. I found it more nitpicking attacks. These are the points in favor of GG town, based on interaction and why LMP was on my scum list as I went back to N1 and he barely said much of anything BS.
Also Llama thinking I'm scum based on BS makes no sense. I even told him why I was paranoid of you and my theories. I also don't trust Llama 100% because he claimed he was protecting a PR however he was willing to flush that player out today by fake claiming (hence why I don't believe much from him today).

@KK: Where you not the one who claimed to have a mild town read day 1 on OGML. Don't be a hypocrite.

[A Gaggle of Geese]

manga is using rhetoric. he all desperate ^_^

[A Gaggle of Geese]

oh and I think every single read I had while alive in court was pretty amazing, go search yourself, you were in the fucking dead quicktopic. benmage, almaster all proved my point w/r/t the vanilla claims. derpity derp.