A Gentleman's Game of Guile, Subterfuge, and Intrigue (Fin)

[Hoppster]

Apok, I do suggest that you join me in voting Twistedspoon.

Twisted, you found yourself compelled to continue talking about fluff yet ignored a forming non-random bandwagon? Are you actually saying that, or do my eyes decieve me? And why follow a smaller gut read? I do not believe this makes sense.

[kpaca]

As I am new to these fair lands in which our lovely clubhouse here resides, perhaps one of you natural born gents would explain to me, how experienced is twestedspoon? I find it hard to believe anyone of great clout could be positing the case against me that he posits. Misrep indeed.

[Twistedspoon]

how experienced is twestedspoon?

twestedspoon has played for many moons since January 3rd

Currently, I'm in 11 games right now, and I've been at this rate for a while. I'd say I've played around 20 or so games

[kpaca]

As an EBWOP:

I am willing and very near to voting TwistedSpoon, as when read in the context of the game his vote of me is terrible, and his explanation of me "fence sitting" combined with his explanation that he is voting the person he finds less scummy of his two gut reads is off putting enough to make him my first vote of the game, however as I do not know any of you (save vezokpriko from another website), I feel like I should get a better gauge of twistedspoons experience level first.

Sorry for talking so plainly gents, it would appear this scotch has hit me quicker than I realized.

Pip pip cheerio!

[kpaca]

how experienced is twestedspoon?

twestedspoon has played for many moons since January 3rd

Currently, I'm in 11 games right now, and I've been at this rate for a while. I'd say I've played around 20 or so games

Answers with haste!

vote: TwistedSpoon,

Esq.

You are exactly the amount of experience I was hoping you would say you were. If you were any newer, it would be easy to dismiss your behavior as someone not quite sure what they were doing as scum or town, and a vote on you would be haphazard. If you were any more experienced, it would mean your mafia skill growth had been stunted and this was just an acceptable norm for your behavior.

However, you have been around just long enough to know what you are doing, but not quite long enough that we can rule out terrible play due to normalcy. As such, it is quite apparent you are scum, still somewhat have the "zomg I'm scum" jitters, somewhat overplayed your hand with your aggression, and now are floundering to explain your behavior cognitively.

I'd like to see you swing dear sir.

*sips cognac*

[Twistedspoon]

of course I know what I'm doing

what you're doing though is fencesitting (until now) and then voting me purely on experience which amuses me since you said you were against Policy lynches; exactly what you're doing now but with experience, not prior games as the policy

[kpaca]

I would say you somewhat know what you are doing.

And you have yet to actually show how I'm fencesitting (other than posting something that doesn't make sense). Also of note, is I am not voting you purely on your experience, that would be another terrible misrepresentation on your part. I am voting you based on your horrendously shifty play, and am using your semi-experience to validate my decision as correct in my own mind.

Also apparently you have no idea what a policy lynch is. Just because I am voting to lynch you based on factors (some could actually call these factors a personal policy I suppose), does not mean it's a policy lynch. A policy lynch would be if I said "twisted spoon is a bad player, it is my policy to just lynch him in every game just as a policy" (which is what was advocated early on with vezok). Even in the case of experience based policy lynches which your are ridiculously trying to assert I am in favor of, a exp based policy lynch would be "Lets lynch twisted spoon because he is inexperienced (for the sake of example), as my POLICY is to lynch inexperienced players immediately". Advocating lynching someone because you think their poor play in lieu of their experience makes them scum is not a policy lynch, it's a smart play.

In short, you would have been better off just screaming OMGUS.

[Twistedspoon]

In short, you would have been better off just screaming OMGUS.

'OMGUS'

[kpaca]

I will accept that as your admittance to being scum, my dear gent.

[Twistedspoon]

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the only case on me is that I have voted you for saying you disapprove of a policy lynch before trying to both PL myself and vezok

check

[Twistedspoon]

furthermore, I note how your activity has shot up when I suspected you

scumtell in my book

[kpaca]

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the only case on me is that I have voted you for saying you disapprove of a policy lynch before trying to both PL myself and vezok

check

Okay, considering that you didn't at all respond to me ripping your assertion that I am attempting policy lynches a new one, I assumed that you understood your mistake. However, do you need me to explain again how I am not advocating policy lynches?

Also, do I need to further explain how I am not voting you just for your silly vote, but for that in addition to your behavior while under question? You have generally avoided answering questions hoppster has posed of you, which means you were either ignoring him or weren't reading, and either way that looks bad on you in my eyes. You have also shown to have falsely advertised priorities when claiming that you have a smaller gut read on the person you are voting for. It's also worth noting that your "small gut read" vote of me and subsequent (though so far unsubstantiated by anything that makes sense on your part) allegations of fencesitting were a clear piggy back off of another posters suspicion of me (apokalyptika I believe?). I am therefore asserting that you are scum, not very experienced at being scum (your wiki agrees though I'm not sure if that's accurate), you early on got excited and somewhat overplayed your hand, and then upon feeling scrutiny have flailed about in the mud not making any sense.

I also find it disheartening that in my previous post which basically besmirches all the statements you have been making, you chose to just latch onto my sarcastic joke instead of actually defending your position.

Is any of the following unclear after FULLY READING the things I am posting:
What a policy lynch really is.
Why I am voting you, and how it is not actually OMGUS or a policy lynch based on your experience.
How I have in no way advocated a policy lynch of you.

If any of those three things still remain unclear to you, please, I will gladly explain them further.

[kpaca]

furthermore, I note how your activity has shot up when I suspected you

scumtell in my book

Well, I don't have a home computer, am a full time student with exams coming up, and work a part time job as a fry cook. I also party hard on the weekends. This led to recent inactivity. Sunday and Today have been spent almost entirely in the library, meaning I have had plenty of time in front of a computer.

Ofc, I could be scum lying to you, but the fact is that asking someone to defend their personal activity as it relates to their personal life is ridiculous. As such, the "scumtell in your book" is literally one of the worst scumtell's I have ever heard of and if I were ever in a game in which someone was legitimately asserting that as a main point I would probably laugh, or cry, depending on the situation. Maybe both.

[StrangerCoug]

I was in a bit of a rush and my mother had to attend to some very important things that required me to be away from the lodge for awhile, but kpaca pleases me at the present time.

[Feysal]

After a moderate amount of reading, I am once more up to date on recent events. At this time, many of my reads are still in their formative stages, however I do have some observations from the past three pages worth commenting on.

On the topic of vezokpiraka, his joking approach to the game, posting in a purposely heinous accent, strikes me as carefree and therefore townish. I have understood that some of our esteemed members find him suspicious for lack of substance in his posts, and for his attack on kr0b. However, has it not been said repeatedly that not contributing is typical of him as town, by the same people who find him suspicious no less? I am vaguely disturbed by the assertion that he should be policy lynched as town and suspected as scum for the exact same behaviour. I have yet to make a more detailed background check on TheLonging to see what his stance on policy lynches has been on past games, but for now I can say that I do not like this type of damned-if-you-do, damned-if-you-don't argumentation.

As for kr0b, I am not certain I understand the basis of the case on him. My own read on him is undecided, though I was pleased by his responses to the points raised against him. Particularly what he said about the intricacies of the style of speech we have adopted making it harder to draw conclusions from the way people express their thoughts mirrorred my own thoughts perfectly. As a matter of fact, I imagined none other than Oscar Wilde, who was known for being witty with his words, when reading again his response to imaginality regarding his use of the word perhaps. I do believe that his choice of words is no more than a red herring, and dwelling on that subject is fruitless.

I admit that some of the points raised against kr0b later on have merit, but I am still confused as to the cause of imaginality's original vote on him. Voting first and providing reasons later does not sound like a good way of seeking villains in our midst, particularly when the best of those reasons only occurred after the original vote. This makes imaginality look suspect in my eyes, though I am somewhat appeased by his apparent willingness to look in other directions.

Finally, I find that in the recent back-to-back between kpaca and Twistedspoon, it is decidedly kpaca who comes on top.

[vezokpiraka]

unvote
vote TS,

Esq.

In cthulu speed mafia you were scum. You played somehow like here.
Also in Execution you were town and proclaimed every time someone suspected you that you are town.

You are playing like in Cthulu mafia here.

[Twistedspoon]

unvote
vote TS

In cthulu speed mafia you were scum. You played somehow like here.
Also in Execution you were town and proclaimed every time someone suspected you that you are town.

You are playing like in Cthulu mafia here.

firstly, how has my cuthulu play been anything like in this game? I lurked and fakeclaimed in that game. Neither of which I am doing here

secondly what on earth do you mean by proclaimed? Also, I was scum in that game, not town. My playstyle in that game was vastly dissimilar too.

so how am i playing like I did in cuthulu? In the entire cuthulu game I made 23 posts. I'm already on 43 in this game, day 1

How has my play been similar to the cuthulu one?

[DemonHybrid]

Sir Vezok, this is an outrage! I recall my read on you and must ask. What in blazes your vote is for?! Metagaming only? Blasphemy!

[vezokpiraka]

Not metagaming. Also agreeing with kpaca in general but that goes with my read of TS.

Also sorry for the confusion. I meant {REDACTED} not Execution.

[Twistedspoon]

Vezok is using the flimsiest of excuses to ride my wagon. My play in those games is far from identical than with this one

Appendage of Suspicion: Vezok

[Twistedspoon]

Also sorry for the confusion. I meant {REDACTED} not Execution.

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mod told myself off for mentioning {REDACTED} and were I not in danger of a warning as you probably are now, I would easily counter that

[Twistedspoon]

Also, how by Jove has my play been similar to that of Cuthulu?

[kr0b]

Apologies for my recent absence my friends, it has been a very stressful couple of days in the kr0b household with assignment deadlines and exam revision all of the past 3-4 days.

I am fully aware that kpaca has gone from offering nothing to the group to trying to discredit a policy lynch with a policy lynch. However, I believe subsequent explanations have been enough to discredit Twisted's accusations.

[Twistedspoon]

However, I believe subsequent explanations have been enough to discredit Twisted's accusations.

what subsequent accusations might these be?

Vezok's unfounded cuthulu rambling conjecture balderdash?

[vezokpiraka]

You try to dismiss attention on you and fence sit a lot and hide in the shadows. Just like in Cthulu.