A Gentleman's Game of Guile, Subterfuge, and Intrigue (Fin)

[Hoppster]

Twistedspoon, I beg of you to stop; much more of this nonsense and I fear that in my uproarious laughter I shall spill my tea.

Do you honestly expect anybody to take your requests seriously when you have several more pressing points outstanding?

I may address your query later today when I have more time.

For now, Twistedspoon, I would like you to take the hypothetical stance today that I am lynched.

a) I flip scum. Who do you suspect?
b) I flip town, same question.
c) In both cases, how do you expect people to read you?

In the meantime, UNVOTE: . I want everybody taking a firm stance on Twistedspoon and his wagon. I would hate it if those willing to vote him chickened out for fear of placing him at L-1.

So where shall I place my vote in the meantime? Don't want to be seen to chickening out by not voting... I know!

VOTE: Sir Hoppster

[vezokpiraka]

Twistedspoon, I beg of you to stop; much more of this nonsense and I fear that in my uproarious laughter I shall spill my tea.

Do you honestly expect anybody to take your requests seriously when you have several more pressing points outstanding?

I may address your query later today when I have more time.

For now, Twistedspoon, I would like you to take the hypothetical stance today that I am lynched.

a) I flip scum. Who do you suspect?
b) I flip town, same question.
c) In both cases, how do you expect people to read you?

In the meantime, UNVOTE: . I want everybody taking a firm stance on Twistedspoon and his wagon. I would hate it if those willing to vote him chickened out for fear of placing him at L-1.

So where shall I place my vote in the meantime? Don't want to be seen to chickening out by not voting... I know!

VOTE: Sir Hoppster

Oh. I see this post as an incredible scummy one.
WTF is going on in your mind. I really don't think this is a scum VS scum fight but both these people are soooo scummy.

I will stick to TS because I think the fluff posting is consistent with his scum game while hoppster does stupid shit like this sometimes.

[Caboose]

I'm a little disappointed that my last post did not receive much attention. I still would like an explanation from Sir Apokalyptica regarding his attitude toward longing: http://www.mafiascum.net/forum/viewtopi ... 5#p3005335

It's disconcerting that his vote seems to unfailingly swing with the momentum of popular opinion.

VOTE: Apopkalyptika

[imaginality]

This discussion has been at something of a low ebb lately. I admit I myself have been partly to blame, due to spending an excessive amount of time cleaning and refilling my pipe. However, I hope we can all agree to move our efforts forward apace.

I find TwistedSpoon's position an interesting one. While he is certainly displaying an ungentlemanly surliness when pressed to defend himself, if one takes the policy-lynch comments to be a difference of understanding about what is meant by that term, there is little left to the case against him aside from the tone in which he has responded to Hoppster's pressure. And his paranoia regarding Hoppster seems,

prima facie

, more likely to come from a pro-town player than a scoundrel (who might think that, but would hold his tongue rather than admit to such thoughts). However, at heart this appears to be a meta case more so than a scummy-acts-in-this-game case. As such, before proclaiming judgment, I feel it necessary to investigate his writings in other games to see if the claims made by Apokalyptika that his tone in this game is a scumtell are accurate. I shall do so within 24 hours.

I am wary of the StrangerCoug for similar reasons; while not certain, I have the sense he is more active than this as town. Another player to meta. Again, I shall do this before the morrow.

Hoppster has asked a good question of vezokpiraka, and I felt Hoppster was genuine in his focus on TwistedSpoon. However the self-vote alarms me, and seems over-self-conscious, unhelpful and evasive.

I am curious to hear who else you suspect, Hoppster, lest you become tunnelled on one case at the expense of others. Surely you do not feel TwistedSpoon is the sole villain amongst us?

Apokalyptika pleases me with her post 171 and (pending my meta read of TwistedSpoon) her post 223 seems adequate justification for her joining the wagon.

kpaca has done much to redeem himself in my eyes, but kr0b still strikes me as a villain amongst us. To answer Feysal's question:

I admit that some of the points raised against kr0b later on have merit, but I am still confused as to the cause of imaginality's original vote on him. Voting first and providing reasons later does not sound like a good way of seeking villains in our midst, particularly when the best of those reasons only occurred after the original vote.

My original reason was given here:

1. kr0b's mere echoing of Apokalyptika's point, in post 69, and his fluff post 71, have alarmed me to a stern degree. He is high on my list of rogues and rapscallions at this point.

I felt that in 69 kr0b was merely piggybacking Apokalyptika's (reasonable) questions to me, and 71 was pure fluff. At that stage, I felt it reasonable to cast a ballot for those reasons. His subsequent actions strengthened my reasons to suspect him. And I must take issue with you over the appropriateness of that. It's not uncommon for cases, particularly early in the game, to develop further in response to how the accused person responds to the pressure on them. Indeed, I'd venture that it's the rule rather than the exception.

I agree however with your defense of vezokpiraka. I too see him as a good fellow.

Caboose's posts so far fill me with confidence, while inHimshallibe does quite the opposite. I am not quite sure why, but I think my sense is that he is a better calibre of player than his play this game has displayed, so I am concerned by his relative lack of contribution. A third player to meta.

[Twistedspoon]

So where shall I place my vote in the meantime? Don't want to be seen to chickening out by not voting... I know!

VOTE: Sir Hoppster

so you have no other scummy suspects?

I am curious to hear who else you suspect, Hoppster, lest you become tunnelled on one case at the expense of others. Surely you do not feel TwistedSpoon is the sole villain amongst us?

This so much

[Twistedspoon]

So where shall I place my vote in the meantime? Don't want to be seen to chickening out by not voting... I know!

VOTE: Sir Hoppster

so you have no other scummy suspects?

I am curious to hear who else you suspect, Hoppster, lest you become tunnelled on one case at the expense of others. Surely you do not feel TwistedSpoon is the sole villain amongst us?

This so much

[Twistedspoon]

So where shall I place my vote in the meantime? Don't want to be seen to chickening out by not voting... I know!

VOTE: Sir Hoppster

so you have no other scummy suspects?

I am curious to hear who else you suspect, Hoppster, lest you become tunnelled on one case at the expense of others. Surely you do not feel TwistedSpoon is the sole villain amongst us?

This so much

[Twistedspoon]

So where shall I place my vote in the meantime? Don't want to be seen to chickening out by not voting... I know!

VOTE: Sir Hoppster

so you have no other scummy suspects?

I am curious to hear who else you suspect, Hoppster, lest you become tunnelled on one case at the expense of others. Surely you do not feel TwistedSpoon is the sole villain amongst us?

This so much

[inHimshallibe]

Egads! I've been struck with the evilest of migraines the past twenty-four hours plus.

[Hoppster]

Twistedspoon, you make me chuckle. I must go to hospital soon to ensure I have not accidently been at the laughing gas.

Caboose, you've not commented on either the Twistedspoon wagon or the Hoppster wagon. Why?

Vezok, why can only one of us be scum? Is one of us guaranteed to be scum, ie. if I flip town is Twistedspoon scum? Is I flip scum is Twistedspoon town? You've also not answered my question.

imaginality - do you feel there is anything to be gained/learned from this interaction between Twistedspoon and I? How is my self-vote over self-concious/evasive? Do you feel it's scummy? What do you make of Twistedspoon's decision to ignore my pressing questions?

Twistedspoon, I beseech of you to not try and act like you're smart just because you can parrot imaginality, unless perhaps you wish for a treat as I sometimes chuck to my parakeet (Polly). Do not expect me to answer your questions if you feel that you are justified in ignoring mine.

I will however answer your question with a question: who do you think I should be suspicious of and why?

[vezokpiraka]

I answered it.

I think TS is scummy because of the fluff he is posting. That is my position on him.

I never said only one of you could be scum. I actually said that this could be a scum VS scum fight but I maintain my position on TS.

[Twistedspoon]

so I asummue you find no-one scummy but myself?
or do you just not want to make enemies?

I will however answer your question with a question: who do you think I should be suspicious of and why?

yourself, because you're mafioso, obv

Twistedspoon, I beseech of you to not try and act like you're smart just because you can parrot imaginality

I was reinforcing a point

how was I acting like I was smart?
You play the smart self-centered chap in this game

[Twistedspoon]

I answered it.

I think TS is scummy because of the fluff he is posting. That is my position on him.

you've been posting fluff, does that amke you scum?

seriously, you've said the same thing about myself posting fluff in your last

all you ever mention is fluff

I find it most peculiar to see Imaginality picking and choosing which posts he perceives as "fluff". Maybe the good sir needs to lay off of his whiskey.

You try to dismiss attention on you and fence sit a lot and hide in the shadows.

You should defend about that not post fluff.

Just like here.

I will stick to TS because I think the fluff posting is consistent with his scum game while hoppster does stupid shit like this sometimes.

I think TS is scummy because of the fluff he is posting

CAN YOU SAY ANYTHING OTHER THAN FLUFF?

[inHimshallibe]

Sir vezok, this is not acceptable. Such a call to action as you made is a transparent attempt to appear to contribute, while in actuality you accomplish nothing. I would appreciate seeing thoughts on more people in this game, as well as entertaining more of a dialogue with kr0b (which you should be eager to do, as you claim suspicion of him). There is no reason why a gentleman should refrain from following leads and presenting reads, so I shall

Uvote

and

Vote: Sir Vezok

.

I have found a fitting suspect, methinks.

I will duly elaborate in time, after my tea.

[Hoppster]

I answered it.

I think TS is scummy because of the fluff he is posting. That is my position on him.

I never said only one of you could be scum. I actually said that this could be a scum VS scum fight but I maintain my position on TS.

Yes, that was one of my questions, but I'm talking about the other. I'll re-quote it:

Kr0b freaked out because of a vote and asked for reasons. Townies don't do that. I didn't give reasons because I wanted to see his reaction. He is

still

scum.

vezok, I am (most logically, if I may say so myself) inferring from the above quotation (which I most correctly am attributing to your self) that you must have had a reason for voting kr0b and thinking him not a good fellow

before

the results of your so-called 'test' (ho-ho!). I have taken the liberty of adding boldened emphasis to show my line of reasoning - you said he was

still

scum, what made him scum before, I must ask?

Further to this, I'll add the following:

a) I flip scum. Is Twistedspoon more or less likely to be scum?
b) I flip town. Is Twistedspoon more or less likely to be scum?
c), d): as a) and b), but vice-versa.

so I asummue you find no-one scummy but myself?
or do you just not want to make enemies?

See below.

I will however answer your question with a question: who do you think I should be suspicious of and why?

yourself, because you're mafioso, obv

So you're unwilling to

explicitly state

people you're suspicious in response to a question, and yet you're attacking me for this reason? Or are you deliberately being hypocritical?

And what happened to "I'MA GONNA IGNORE HOPPSTER 'COS HE'S SCUM AND HE'S TRAPPING ME HERP DERP"?

[Twistedspoon]

I will however answer your question with a question: who do you think I should be suspicious of and why?

yourself, because you're mafioso, obv

So you're unwilling to

explicitly state

people you're suspicious in response to a question, and yet you're attacking me for this reason? Or are you deliberately being hypocritical?

And what happened to "I'MA GONNA IGNORE HOPPSTER 'COS HE'S SCUM AND HE'S TRAPPING ME HERP DERP"?

you should decide your scumsuspects yourself

why should I?

[inHimshallibe]

furthermore, I note how your activity has shot up when I suspected you

scumtell in my book

This, my good sir, is a reach.

[Wraith]

Excellent news, chaps! I have completed a series of difficult examinations as mandated by the Ministry of Education, therefore I am of productive and jovial disposition. Therefore, expect yet another counting of ballots cast at some point this evening.

[Twistedspoon]

furthermore, I note how your activity has shot up when I suspected you

scumtell in my book

This, my good sir, is a reach.

the conclusion, maybe, but the observation genuine

[Wraith]

Votecount 1.4

Sir Hoppster

(2)

:

Twistedspoon, Esq.

,

Caboose

,

Apokalyptika

, Twistedspoon, Esq., Sir Hoppster

StrangerCoug

(0)

:

imaginality

Twistedspoon, Esq.

(3)

:

Sir Hoppster

,

Sir Hoppster

,

StrangerCoug

, kpaca, vezokpiraka, Apokalyptika

imaginality

(1)

:

StrangerCoug

, kr0b

vezokpiraka

(2)

:

TheLonging,

Sir Hoppster

,

imaginality

, StrangerCoug,

Apokalyptika

Apokalyptika

(2)

:

DemonHybrid, Caboose

kr0b

(1)

:

imaginality,

vezokpiraka

TheLonging

(0)

:

Apokalyptika

kpaca

(0)

:

Twistedspoon, Esq.

Not Voting

(2)

:

Feysal, inHimShallBe

With 13 remaining it shall require

7

to lynch the knave.

Remember, deadline for this day is

May 14, 2011

[Twistedspoon]

Feysal and InHim

not voting I see. Why might this be?

[TheLonging]

If we don't count RVS stuff and his triple posts, we can start counting his "real" posts at ISO #9, so I'll just put down the numbers that are the fluff (or mostly fluff (or in a few cases, just bad)) posts:

#12, #13, #14, #21, #22, #23, #24, #25, #26, #28, #30, #31, #34, #40, #50, #61

It's not much but there is quite a lot of nonsense and there were some posts that I considered putting down but they bordered legitimate and contributing at the least.

I'm gonna reread the thread

unvote

[Hoppster]

So you're unwilling to

explicitly state

people you're suspicious in response to a question, and yet you're attacking me for this reason? Or are you deliberately being hypocritical?

And what happened to "I'MA GONNA IGNORE HOPPSTER 'COS HE'S SCUM AND HE'S TRAPPING ME HERP DERP"?

you should decide your scumsuspects yourself

why should I?

No, it was a subtle prod to get YOUR scum-reads without you thinking "ZOMG TRAP" or using it as an excuse. >>

Obviously failed.


TheLonging + inHim: Thoughts on the Twistedspoon/Hoppster wagons please (and recent posts from us both).

[StrangerCoug]

UNVOTE: vezokpiraka
VOTE: Twistedspoon, Esq.

Your things clearly are not together. It has become the case that you panic at the smallest iota of an accusation toward him, and your pursuit of Sir Hoppster lacks sincerity. It is not clear what you think of him except that he does not deserve to be in the lodge, but we cannot expel him for the sole reason that you do not want him here.

[Apokalyptika]

Sir Caboose, I fear that you have been inattentive. I have repeatedly said that a policy lynch is an excellent place for a scoundrel to place his vote without repercussions. In addition, the votes I have placed were for Sir Hoppster (for mere whimsical reasons), Sir imaginality (for what I believed to be an overenthusiastic defense), Sir Longing (for promoting a policy lynch), Sir Vezok (for lack of contribution) and now Sir Twisted, for being 10 types of scummy. Sir imaginality was not a popular vote, and neither was Sir Longing. Sir Vezok's popularity was largely due to the aforementioned policy voting, and Sir Twisted's popularity is because others have seen the merit behind voting him.