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[AlmasterGM]

Oh I see, you want to policy lynch Nobody Special, and because I don't want to, you think I am scumz.

Well, you're wrong because:

1) This is a proveable power that would be really dumb to give scum and
2) I have had much worse experiences with mothrax than Nobody Special.

[hitogoroshi]

1) This is a proveable power that would be really dumb to give scum and

Quoth every scum neighborizer.

2) I have had much worse experiences with mothrax than Nobody Special.

You replaced in to In the Court of the Gods. You got something worse than that on Mothrax?

[AlmasterGM]

Quoth every scum

neighborizer

Vig.

Fixed. Oh wait, those don't exit. And that's what this role basically is.

You replaced in to In the Court of the Gods. You got something worse than that on Mothrax?

I didn't really read Court of the Gods, so that didn't factor in to my evaluation of NS. I played with him in another game or two and it was fine (Trader Mafia comes to mind). Mothrax, on the other hand, is 1) a douchebag 2) had shit reads and 3) posts really short and uninformative posts. He is a fine policy lynch, given the playerlist.

The fact that you accuse ME of being NS's scumbuddy is hilarious. If those types of connections are going to be made AT ALL, it should be you-mothrax.

[AlmasterGM]

Oh cool, I guess we don't have to worry about this at all after all. Mothrax just PM'd me out of game.

Modkill coming right up.

[Equinox]

Oh, geez, this again?

Anyway... hitogoroshi, AlmasterGM does have a point. This is a silly power to give to scum; it's not like scum particularly benefit from double day.

[mothrax]

THe pm I sent you had nothing to do with this game. This isn't the only game you have been an ass to me in recently. If you have a personal problem with me I want to attempt to resolve it and the game thread is not the place to do that in.

[AlmasterGM]

The other game is ongoing, so you really shouldn't be talking about that either.

And for the record, I have no real personal problem with you. You do have a tendency to curse and annoy me a lot, but that's not that huge of a deal. I just think that, given the playerlist, you are the best policy lynch. And that's what my power does, so I am going to use it.

[Nicki Minaj]

I was in the middle of typing up responses to Plum, quadz, and Faraday, but first things first:

@hito and Equinox: I asked sottyrulez that question because I was looking for this answer from Zach:

Exact role name is High Priest/Priestess of Zorblag.

He originally called himself Troll, not a High Priest/ess of Troll.

Faraday is town for 45.

hitogoroshi is scum for calling Faraday town for a post that consists of nothing but a vote for a player who hitogoroshi is not voting for, and who hito has not even mentioned once all game, in a post in which hito does not provide his own opinion of quadz08.

Come to think of it, I think the only player hito has questioned all game is me, for pretty much the exact same reasons quadz did (my question being useless because

obviously

he was scum). Why was it more important to tell us that Faraday is town for voting quadz than that quadz is scum?

VOTE: hitogoroshi

What's awesome about this wagon is that we'll find out within ten minutes if you actually

are

scum.

Preview-edit: got ninja'd by half a page. I can buy hito believing Nobody Special is the policy lynch of policy lynches, but still want an explanation for that Faraday post.

~Mina

[mothrax]

Meh, I will leave it up to Vi to decide.
(ftr you are at the brunt of my cursing and I actually don't swear that much)

In other news, I am going to attempt to make a case on quadz withou being able to quote his posts:
His "is this a serious vote" is the main thing. It reads like panicky scum to me. Scum want to know why they are being voted because they are more naturally inclined to play defensively.

[quadz08]

..... Really? That's the basis of your case? Me asking for a genuine clarification, so I knew if I should respond seriously / ask for reasoning, or just ignore it?

[Debonair Danny DiPietro]

@AGM Friends and Enemies

I guess you could argue NS is easy to read obv-scum in that game but I have a hard time thinking after that game he's not your choice for a policy lynch.

~~

I wish I had a fun role with something to claim to make everyone think I'm obv-town, that or the WWF Title at least.

VOTE: quadz

[hitogoroshi]

Anyway... hitogoroshi, AlmasterGM does have a point. This is a silly power to give to scum; it's not like scum particularly benefit from double day.

Yes they do, if it's ONLY DOUBLE WHEN THE FIRST LYNCH IS A MISLYNCH. Double day, but the first lynch can't hit scum, is great for scum.

Double Day is normally protown, because town directs both lynches. This is "Hey, it's only double-day if the first lynch is this one I pointed out." That's a fine power for scum to have - try to herd the town onto a free mislynch, and then look "confirmed" after!

And what would optimal scum play be? To designate the best townie that you can while still passing it off as "policy". That saves the REAL policy townies and gets you a free mislynch.

That being said, I admit I was assuming NS's play across ms.net was similar to my experience with him (town in Court, scum in Bomb Mafia, [redacted ongoing where he's dead].) I'll have to read Trader Mafia. If his play there is better than my experience, point conceded. I could swear you made a hullabaloo about how you were actually reading Court, though...

hitogoroshi is scum for calling Faraday town for a post that consists of nothing but a vote for a player who hitogoroshi is not voting for, and who hito has not even mentioned once all game, in a post in which hito does not provide his own opinion of quadz08.

Come to think of it, I think the only player hito has questioned all game is me, for pretty much the exact same reasons quadz did (my question being useless because obviously he was scum). Why was it more important to tell us that Faraday is town for voting quadz than that quadz is scum?

I don't think Quadz is scum. The answer in his 58 makes his nervousness feel null. I do think that burning political capital to see if someone scumslips is something townies do far more often than scum. Scroll to the post above Faradays (Quadz 44) and it makes more sense.

Also, "the only player hito has questioned all game" on page four? Really?

[mothrax]

Itt DDD hxc softclaims.

@quadz whole case: no.
Main point: yes.
It's early and that is IMO a reliable early tell. You were too concerned about that one vote.

[Debonair Danny DiPietro]

Itt DDD hxc softclaims.

I did?

[Equinox]

He originally called himself Troll, not a High Priest/ess of Troll.

Eh. Do you think that, if sottyrulez's response had been different, there would have been significance?

I wish I had a fun role with something to claim to make everyone think I'm obv-town, that or the WWF Title at least.

A rundown of why your vote is here or what you think of the past 4 pages would be pretty cool.

Hmm. Gonna have to digest AlmasterGM-hitogoroshi for a bit. I don't want to go through with a policy lynch here, though; this isn't MoCO. If mothrax is scum, he'll reveal himself and we'll deal with him then. Otherwise, if he's town, double day is pointless.

Preview: hxc?

[Debonair Danny DiPietro]

I wish I had a fun role with something to claim to make everyone think I'm obv-town, that or the WWF Title at least.

A rundown of why your vote is here or what you think of the past 4 pages would be pretty cool.

Preview: hxc?

I'm just screwing around waiting until VPB shows up and tells me where to vote.

hxc = hardcore.

[Faraday]

nah man your vote's real good.

[AlmasterGM]

@hito - if you had to pick your top THREE players on this playerlist to policy lynch, who would they be?

[Duplicity]

hello friends

Regfan is V/LA for 4 days or so you'll all just have to deal with me until then. Right now I feel like the kid in Home Alone.

quadz, why is a miller claim +townpoints but asking about alignments suspicious?

I like hito's logic in #86 re: AGM's claim. Exactly what came to my mind. Gets him towncred from me.

Vote: AGM

for that most recent post.

[Faraday]

:notaquadzvote:

[hitogoroshi]

@hito - if you had to pick your top THREE players on this playerlist to policy lynch, who would they be?

NobodySpecial, Katsuki, singersinger. VV close fourth - singer just eeks ahead because of the whole "almost refused free win" in MoCo.

Just thought of something. sottyrulez, any flavor as for why a Priest(ess) of Troll is a miller?

[Nicki Minaj]

Eh. Do you think that, if sottyrulez's response had been different, there would have been significance.

Um...yes? Because every player in this game should be a high priest of a Scummer, as opposed to the Scummer himself?

Seriously, are you trying to give me a taste of my own medicine or something? Do you think you're going to learn anything of significance from

that

question?

I don't think Quadz is scum. The answer in his 58 makes his nervousness feel null. I do think that burning political capital to see if someone scumslips is something townies do far more often than scum. Scroll to the post above Faradays (Quadz 44) and it makes more sense.

Maybe I'm completely misunderstanding you, but what do you mean, "burning political capital"? It's not as though Faraday played a clever gambit on quadz. From Faraday, a vote without explanation in response to a post is a complete null tell.

Also, "the only player hito has questioned all game" on page four? Really?

If you are posting during that time frame, then you can be held accountable for not doing as much with those posts as you could be. But anyway, my point wasn't that you hadn't questioned enough people; it was that you hadn't done anything to suggest you suspected quadz (in fact, your actions until then implied you agreed with him).

[Equinox]

Seriously, are you trying to give me a taste of my own medicine or something?

A little. I'm trying to get a grip on your thought process when you asked sottyrulez that question, since I felt the answer should have been pretty obvious. Fair enough, I suppose.

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hitogoroshi, let me ask you something. Your vote on Nobody Special, do you still stand by it?

[AlmasterGM]

Oh cool, looks like I actually have to respond to this nonsense.

Yes they do, if it's ONLY DOUBLE WHEN THE FIRST LYNCH IS A MISLYNCH. Double day, but the first lynch can't hit scum, is great for scum.

[Double Day is normally protown, because town directs both lynches. This is "Hey, it's only double-day if the first lynch is this one I pointed out." That's a fine power for scum to have - try to herd the town onto a free mislynch, and then look "confirmed" after!

Stop thinking of it like double day and think of it like a Vig that requires town consent. How is that not protown? It's awesome because it checks back stupid ass Vigs while still giving the town extra kills. And it's definitely not a SCUM power.

And what would optimal scum play be? To designate the best townie that you can while still passing it off as "policy". That saves the REAL policy townies and gets you a free mislynch.

I'm putting this on the record that you think mothrax is a good townie. Because even if he's not the worst, I definitely would put him near the bottom of this playerlist. At which point you're just arguing technicalities and preferences.

That being said, I admit I was assuming NS's play across ms.net was similar to my experience with him (town in Court, scum in Bomb Mafia, [redacted ongoing where he's dead].) I'll have to read Trader Mafia. If his play there is better than my experience, point conceded. I could swear you made a hullabaloo about how you were actually reading Court, though...

You have to think of things in terms of catchability as well. In Trader and Bomb, he was easyscum. If I have a free policy lynch D1, I'd much rather use it on the person who you can never read and doesn't contribute than the person who will soon reveal himself to be obvscum.

Also, even if mothrax wasn't NUMBER ONE choice, I'd still say he's at LEAST 2 or 3. So I don't see why we are complaining about a free lynch (remember, it's FREE).

P-edit:

NobodySpecial, Katsuki, singersinger. VV close fourth - singer just eeks ahead because of the whole "almost refused free win" in MoCo.

Singer is easy to read and posts a lot, which is nice. She was also very accurate in Might of Mordor, so I have to give her some credit. Not a good pick. VV and Katsuki were two options I considered, but I like VV and he also posts a lot (and in moco he was strong town), so I crossed him out. Katsuki will either a) post a lot or b) flake and be replaced by Fate or c) Hydra with Fate, so I specifically chose mothrax over her because I figured mothrax was more likely to flake and get us ReaperCharlie off the replacement list whereas Katsuki flaking would get us Fate (and I want Fate).

Anyway, you're defending mothrax pretty heavily right now. Can you point me to some games where he did a really GOOD JOB as town such that you feel so strongly about keeping him around?

[Equinox]

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hitogoroshi, let me ask you something. Your vote on Nobody Special, do you still stand by it?

Scratch this question. Outdated spreadsheet is pretty outdated.