League of Legends (Old)

[hasdgfas]

Queueing as four is always a mixed bag. The random stranger you are forced to play with as your fifth ranges from the pleasant and competent to the complete drooling morons who probably have trouble eating because they can't quite recall what a tongue is for. Of the people we played with recently, this guy was by far the worst.

That's what you get for believing a free-to-play game is a good one.

/me out

You really need to improve your troll level

[pickemgenius]

I offer trollulzing lessons for $20/hour.

[Shanba]

It's a real shame jdodge wasn't in that last game, as I felt it was played at a higher level than any other game we've played up to that point.

The real key was when we were fighting 5v4 practically constantly mid and bot and only trading even in kills. Nasus just got to sit top and farm and become a beastly monster. We needed to send someone top to contest his farm - they could just so easily sit at tower and deny us the room we needed to maneuver. Bv's gigantic lag spike for most of the game didn't help either.

After that we really should have been focusing down nasus in teamfights. Typically you don't focus a nasus, but that's because he builds tanky. He needs the tankiness to survive the fact that he's sitting in the middle of the teamfight eating aoe and possible focus fire. This nasus built triforce and IE and 180 freefarm (thus mostly SS) creeps. We needed to melt him. Sona was a red herring - 300 heal every four seconds is not threatening in a teamfight. It's amazing if we're poking, but not during the fight itself. Unfortunately, Nasus survived every teamfight and smashed us.

Xin vs Nocturne mid is really interesting. I think Xin wins that lane, and hard, most of the time - I was winning decisively every time we fought - and honestly it looked like their nocturne was just there for a quick level 6 for an early gank. That that gank didn't work and that I was able to jump and kill him as he came back to lane left me with a huge advantage: almost triple his cs and a kill on him. I had a huge advantage on everyone else in the game at that stage. What should have happened was that I snowballed out of control, picking off kills and just dominating - instead what happened was I made an ill judged countergank and threw away a lot of my advantage. Then in the teamfights I was focused down first and didn't get any of the kills and they were able to equalise my advantage.

We needed better jungle control. I know we had no jungler, but even so we desperately need wards at dragon and later baron at a bare minimum. The more of the map we see, the better we can judge where we need to be - you can get picks because of vision, that allow you to get obejectives (like the pick we got on nocturne that gave us baron). If we'd been more up on map sight we might have avoided situations like the awkward teamfight at the end. We also got jumped by mord and stuff a number of times - better wards fixes that. Typically it's the support char who buys wards, as they dont need as much money for their builds, but given our "support" was kayle and actually was carrying us we should have all been buying wards. It's a major fault of mine that I don't buy them often enough. In general, if you have 200 or so gold left over after buying your items and don't need health pots, investing that in wards is a sound investment.

Our teamcomp was ok. We ate a depressing number of fully or mostly charged nunu ults which cost us teamfights. More hard cc - in particular, a quick spammable stun - would have been nice. There were also a number of times we needed to engage but again bev's pc being on the fritz put payed to that. I know you're normally quicker on the engages, so it was a shame we couldn't get those fights we needed.

I think that's all the thoughts I have on that game.

[Shanba]

(if jdodge had been there we coulda watched the replay on his stream.)

[Knight of Cydonia]

I've grabbed an old(ish) account off a US friend who doesn't play any more and been playing on the US servers (ping from the UK is around 150) the last few days.
Add me if anyone's on right now - Aegis Tyrannon

[bv310]

Yeah, that was an awful game. The epic 800+ ping for the middle 15 minutes was a pain in the ass.

EDIT: Added you KoC. I may be on later for another game or two if my internet becomes stable again.

[Chronopie]

Poppy owns. 'nuff said.

(361 AD, 200 AP, 40% LS, 50% SV ftw)

[VasudeVa]

Poppy with Lich Bane > Poppy with Triforce.

[TheButtonmen]

Their middle wasn't Rumble.


Their middle was Rumble.


Their middle wasn't Rumble.

Anyone here play Rumble or know how exactly to solo lane against him?

[Chronopie]

Poppy with Lich Bane > Poppy with Triforce.

I play both Tri-Force, and Lich Bane Poppys. Lich Bane is epic damage, but squishier, and slower, and really needs a decent headstart.

[Nuwen]

Their middle wasn't Rumble.


Their middle was Rumble.


Their middle wasn't Rumble.

Anyone here play Rumble or know how exactly to solo lane against him?

Ask for a gank. Gank into other lanes

hard

.

Kat has trouble returning the damage she takes from rumble until she's decked out. You can kill a rumble easily with a few mejai's stacks after you farm other heroes, but I'd give someone else the solo creep mid after you get your ult. Kat can roam and clear waves of creep pretty efficiently in the midgame.

I apply the same strategy to beefy melee in the mid lane vs kat, like mordekaiser.

[bv310]

Rumble only works by being a bully in lane. He has to get really close to hit you with his flamethrower, and his skillshot line for his missiles is small. If you can punish him when he comes in for a harass, then you win the lane against him. As Kat, when he comes close, Shunpo behind him, throw a Bouncing Blade at him, then keep running around him. His shield doesn't give him all that much damage reduction, so he can't use it in-lane to survive long enough to regen much of his health. I've laned against him once as Ashe, and two or three times as Swain and keeping him zoned back is all it takes to really shut him down.

If he builds survivability, he has very little damage output in a teamfight, and no CC. If he builds damage, he's squishy and can be focussed down really easily.

[Otolia]

Because the average HoN player is so much better? I've played both, there's just as many morons over there as here. Nice try trolling though.

As many morons ? Certainly.
As many bad players ? I doubt it.

I respect the game, the company behind it but I still can't bear the pseudo tournaments organized. There is so much money wasted to promote LoL that it has come to the point it's indecent. It's destroying the scene as a whole.

[AGar]

I respect the game, the company behind it but I still can't bear the pseudo tournaments organized. There is so much money wasted to promote LoL that it has come to the point it's indecent. It's destroying the scene as a whole.

So Intel Extreme Masters is a pseudo tournament now?

I guess I'll take the pseudo tournaments that pay out $13,500 to top 4 then.

[Otolia]

That's the big problem.

LoL doesn't deserve to be in the IEM

(LoL isn't in the IEM, I checked. Riot paid to be allowed to organize a tournament during the WC). It's not a competitive game just a game where there are too much money and where the skill level is considerably lower than DotA or HoN and probaly DotA 2. The french LoL scene is one of the strongest and it makes me wanna hung myself because they are publicly saying that they only play for the money (particularly aAa and Millenium)

[VasudeVa]

where the skill level is considerably lower than DotA or HoN and probaly DotA 2

[citation needed]

[Knight of Cydonia]

I wasn't aware you were already playing the DotA 2 alpha, Otolia. And there have been several very public instances of HoN players moving to LoL (mostly via /v/) and not being able to compete at high ELO. Can we just accept they're different games, and move on?

[bv310]

If anything HoN has more bad players. The inclusion of denying, coupled with the "I paid for it, so I have to keep playing it" mentality that a number of people possess means that good players are fewer, and they don't give bad players the opportunity to improve, while bad players try to tough it out for longer before they find something they can use to get good. LoL has a lower learning curve, so more players get good quicker.



In other news, I finally tried jungle Olaf today. He's quite fun, except when the Gangplank on your team decides to bait the enemy towards you while you're clearing blue buff.

[AGar]

(LoL isn't in the IEM, I checked. Riot paid to be allowed to organize a tournament during the WC).

Source.

[Cyberbob]

i neeeeeeeeeed to fucking learn how to jungle olaf one of these days, earlygame laning is such a pain with him most of the time

[bv310]

Try it out next game. Start at little golems with W and you can't die

[Otolia]

where the skill level is considerably lower than DotA or HoN and probably DotA 2

[citation needed]

No invocator runes. No auto TP/Dagger. We can start from there.

(LoL isn't in the IEM, I checked. Riot paid to be allowed to organize a tournament during the WC).

Source.

Riot finance almost all the prizes like every company does. But I don't know if it's the totality (like in the CeBit) or not. As for the IEM you can check ESL World.

If anything HoN has more bad players. The inclusion of denying, coupled with the "I paid for it, so I have to keep playing it" mentality that a number of people possess means that good players are fewer, and they don't give bad players the opportunity to improve, while bad players try to tough it out for longer before they find something they can use to get good. LoL has a lower learning curve, so more players get good quicker.

Your post doesn't make any sense to me. Denying is the basis of laning and yet it's the most difficult thing to achieve.

I wasn't aware you were already playing the DotA 2 alpha, Otolia. And there have been several very public instances of HoN players moving to LoL (mostly via /v/) and not being able to compete at high ELO. Can we just accept they're different games, and move on?

They are different games. Thing is, the title of this thread is DotA/LoL when LoL is as far away from DotA as Demigod was. I never said anybody played DotA 2 for now ... As for the several public instances, I'm gonna follow the trend [source needed] I know though is that Riot dev team got their asses kicked by HoN dev team in LoL. I admit DivA was a DotA competitive player.
Both of them are different and perfectly respectable, I just wish LoL wasn't considered a comp game and thus suck lot of competitors into it (particularly on my national scene) because there is money. I could say the same about CoD.

[scotmany12]

You're a bad troll.

[bv310]

You're a bad troll.

[Otolia]

You're a bad troll.

Except I'm not trolling right now.