Nintendo Mafia (Game Over)

[Ythan]

So your response to suspicion is telling people to deal with it? Yeah you can add that to my list of esurio's disingenuities.

[esuriospiritus]

Well, yeah. "Your laughing isn't genuine!" is kind of a silly reason to suspect someone.

[Ythan]

..

That's not what the last post was about.

Esurio are you paying attention.

[esuriospiritus]

As there are now aforementioned extra people in my living room, not really.

I should probably stop posting for now.

[Ythan]

You were paying enough attention to make the excuse in the first place, you're clearly keeping up well enough to flesh it out a tiny bit. Or not.

Yeah posting more might not be in your best interest.

[esuriospiritus]

Fine. Ugh. I was going to go be something resembling social, but noooo~

Fleshed out response:

I think this whole back-and-forth we've had has been an almost complete waste of a page (aside from Thil voting hohum), because while I can see why you might think me typing HAHAHAHAHAHA is disingenous, I completely fail to see why it's a possibly scum-motivated thing. Maybe if you could flesh out

your

response?

[Ythan]

My responses have been pretty clear and straightforward actually. The fact that you want to throw out questioning directed at you without having any kind of legitimate explanation is sketch.

[esuriospiritus]

If by "questioning" you mean this:

So your response to suspicion is telling people to deal with it?

Then the answer is "yeah, pretty much, when it's something I percieve them as pushing me for something completely silly for the sake of looking like they're doing something useful."

Better? Feel useful now?

[esuriospiritus]

*as them

typing while talking = fail

[esuriospiritus]

Oh look, I finally call him out on arguing with me over something stupid for the sake of looking useful and he disappears.

Curious.

[Ythan]

Oh look, I finally call him out on arguing with me over something stupid for the sake of looking useful and he disappears.

Curious.

This is a pathetic attempt to divert attention away from yourself. Pathetic. No better words for this. In any discussion one participant will leave the computer before the other. That you are so full of shit that the best bet you have is to try to cast my not being online 24/7 in a suspicious light is pretty accurate an indication of the quality of your response to some minor level of suspicion today.

[esuriospiritus]

Except you were there for like half an hour solid before and you didn't say anything about leaving, so I kind of assumed you were still there...? And then you just HAPPENED to not be on the site any more at the same time I finally directly called you on not pursuing a useful argument...?

As you said to me,

While that is a plausible explanation you just posted, not having to explain yourself would always cast less doubt.

It goes both ways dude.

What exactly do you think you're getting out of this by pursuing "ESURIO TYPED OUT HER IRL RESPONSE OF LAUGHTER OH NOES" for a whole page? If you think I'm scummy for it, why are you not backing that up with a vote? You don't even have the excuse of "I'm voting someone scummier" right now, because your vote is sitting there being

useless

right now. Like this entire line of questioning.

Either vote me or admit you've been entirely fucking useless for the last page.

[Ythan]

When the mod gives me a third vote I'll give it to you, don't you worry. And yeah, good luck conflating "I attacked my attacker for not announcing when he left the computer to" "Did you seriously just respond to a vote with nothing but five lines of capped laughter and some ellipses?"

[esuriospiritus]

/facepalm

I r dum.

I was going by the latest votecount, didn't remember you voting Thil. So I retract the "your vote is being useless" bit.

This line of questioning is still useless, though. The hell is wrong with me laughing at a terrible vote on me? You've said it's 'disingenous', but I've still yet to see a reason why me typing out my laughter at having such a terrible vote placed on me is more likely to come from scum than town, and until I see that I'm really not going to take you seriously.

(Let's be honest, I still probably won't take you seriously afterward, either, but meh.)

[Ythan]

Your ongoing overreaction to being questioned because you don't believe those questions have gone anywhere (after the questions were made, mind you, as a linear progression of time necessitates) runs contrary to an actual consideration of how this game works.

[Ythan]

I'm being to generous, make that how any consideration of cause and effect works.

[esuriospiritus]

Don't avoid the question. How is me typing HAHAHAHAHA etc. scummy? I didn't ask "how is the follow up scummy" because I can understand why you might think that, confirmation bias and all, and my short temper and general scatter-brainedness and lack of fact-checking probably isn't helping (but I obviously don't particularly care or I probably would have forced myself to either stfu or fix it by now <_<) I want to know what made you pursue this whole useless bit in the first place. Why do you think HAHAHAHAHAHAHA in response to a stupid vote is scummy? Have you never seen someone vote you and laughed at their stupidity before? Have you never felt compelled to say "this vote is completely stupid" and instead just figured laughing at the person would suffice?

Given your personality I would think you would be even more inclined to do so than me. I'm kind of surprised, really.

[esuriospiritus]

ie. would it have been less scummy for me to just have come out and say what I was thinking behind the laughter, which was, "wow, this is a stupid vote"? Why or why not? And what's the difference other than a greater amount of impulsivity being required for the HAHAHAHAs?

[RedCoyote]

I'm just not confident in any vote that I could lay down right now. And I don't see how not-voting would be scummy, in fact, it would let the day go longer, and with more being said means more information for town. But if you want me to lay down a vote, give me a good person to vote, and exactly why I should.

There's not one person here you want to see lynched? You've got to be kidding me, thil.

If you want to be led, that's one thing. That's legitimate, but it goes both ways. You have to

want

to be lead. You have to take whoever has the most compelling case in your eyes and build on it. Give and take. Right now I've asked you point blank who you would vote, and you're telling me you're so lacking in confidence that no one looks scummy enough to vote or townie enough to follow. That fact is scummy.

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After all that talk about not finding one convincing case in 34 pages you place that vote?

This.

You know what this feels like, Ythan? This feels like thil felt a little fire under his feet from us, and all of a sudden decided he should hurry up and cast the first "most reasonable" vote in order to blend back into the background. Either that or his buddies in the scum QT said something like, "you better hurry up and throw some vote down before too many people pick up on this".

But, yeah, it feels completely fraudulent and forced.

Unvote

;

vote: thil13

[Ythan]

ie. would it have been less scummy for me to just have come out and say what I was thinking behind the laughter, which was, "wow, this is a stupid vote"? Why or why not? And what's the difference other than a greater amount of impulsivity being required for the HAHAHAHAs?

It looks disingenuous, I've used that word at least twice now. Since you complained earlier about the size of the word, it means not genuine.

[Ythan]

You know what this feels like, Ythan? This feels like thil felt a little fire under his feet from us, and all of a sudden decided he should hurry up and cast the first "most reasonable" vote in order to blend back into the background. Either that or his buddies in the scum QT said something like, "you better hurry up and throw some vote down before too many people pick up on this".

But, yeah, it feels completely fraudulent and forced.

Quite so old sport.

[esuriospiritus]

I know what it means, asshat. I was being snarky before.

How is it

scummy

though? And let me repeat my question, would it have been different if I'd said what I thought it was plainly obvious I meant and said "this vote is stupid"? why or why not?

Because if you're capable of playing mafia you're capable of reading between the lines, and even if you think me typing out my laughter was forced, is it or is it not the assertion and motivations

behind

what is said that actually matters?

[Ythan]

If you don't get how posting disingenuously is scummy then no amount of explanation can cure you.

[Ythan]

And when done to simultaneously undermine a vote against you (not that it even needed undermining!) and attack the player who placed it (we have a term for that), how much explanation can you seriously demand for 1+1=2?

[esuriospiritus]

So I'm allowed to comment when people place idiotic votes on

other

people, but if I say anything about people placing idiotic votes on myself it's disingenuous and OMGUS?

k.

I think we're just going to have to agree to disagree on the underlying theory-talk going on here. You seem to think that commenting on someone placing a stupid vote on you is scummy. I think it isn't. There's no cure for that kind of ideological schism.

But I'm glad I finally got to the core of what you were saying. Even if I vehemently disagree with

what

you're saying, I think the 'why' is in the right place.

And on that note, I'm going to sleep. G'nite.