Nintendo Mafia (Game Over)

[hohum]

Where did Espeo claim VT? O_o

Why would he claim something different?

[Pine]

Still haven't gotten past the RVS of this game, my day turned out to be busier than expected.

@hohum: I don't appreciate the wholesale attempt to discredit me before I'm capable of getting solid content down. It's very poor play, regardless of your alignment and mine. I will, however, respond to your question.

I'm not trying to discredit you. I'm not even asking questions that require any sort of context.

Yes, my seven years of playing this game have told me this.

The sacrificial VT is a play that has situational merit. If it manages to break open the whole game, and give you the information required to take one or two mafiosos down with them, it's a fair trade, outside of LyLo or similar circumstances. However, as I am not yet privy to the

context

of your question, it is an entirely loaded question, wouldn't you agree? I'd call you scummy for this and this alone, but my research of you suggests that you are generally arrogant and abrasive, and therefore I will consider it, in isolation, a null tell.

I'm trying to decide if you know enough about the mechanics of this game to trust your reads when (not if) you flip.

You ARE the sacrificial VT here. As ythan pointed out your player slot serves no other useful purpose at this point.

You may continue with your reads, sir.

Yes, the question DOES require context, a context I am starting to get a feel for. The direct question, paraphrased, was "Are there situations in which sacrificing a VT makes sense?" The answer is, of course, yes. The indirect question, the one you initially hoped would go unsaid, is "Is this one of those situations?" You, obviously, feel it is. I must respond "Insufficient information."

Further, asserting that my playerslot cannot possibly have anything productive yet to contribute aside from a flip is downright ludicrous, and falls under the aforementioned "Anti-Replacement = Anti-Town" heading.

In short, knock it off until you've heard what I have to say.

[hohum]

Pine: I'm trying to give you lattitude bro. In case you haven't noticed I've been advocating for time, not just for you but for both of us.

You can't act like a defensive bint every time someone asks you a question.

[Pine]

Can someone unaffected by confirmation bias give me a rundown of the case against Espeonage? Or link me to the strongest case already established?

PE: When someone asks me a question that is clearly loaded against me, I will vigorously point out said entrapment and turn those dirty tactics back on the one who asked it.

[hohum]

*sigh* I give up. You're an idiot.

@esurio:

Where did Espeo claim VT? O_o

Why would he claim something different?

[esuriospiritus]

Where did Espeo claim VT? O_o

Why would he claim something different?

Why are you acting like he couldn't possibly claim anything different?

@Pine: Essentially, he acted super sure that Lelouch was town and then lurklurklurked as soon as suspicion brewed in his direction until eventually more people were vocal about wanting Tragedy lynched than Espeonage, posted elsewhere despite claiming in this thread that his internet wasn't working, and quite a few scummy people were/are defending him.

[hohum]

Why are you acting like he couldn't possibly claim anything different?

He could claim what ever he wants. He shouldn't though unless (for example) he has confirmable investigation results.

Your subtle attempt at role fishing is noted.

[esuriospiritus]

...Are you stupid?

How is not assuming he's a VT rolefishing?

[hohum]

...Are you stupid?

How is not assuming he's a VT rolefishing?

Unless you have confirmable information, what should the default claim be?

[hohum]

think about the pro town answer to that question, please.

[esuriospiritus]

VT if he's town, goon if he's scum, but I don't see what assuming he might not be has to do with rolefishing. Am I asking for a claim? No. In fact, you're the one that started this whole "assume he's a VT" thing while asking him questions, which if he's town puts him in the uncomfortable position of having to word his responses to you in such a way as to neither confirm nor deny such claims, so really if anyone's doing subtle rolefishing that would be you.

(also, as much as I'd

love

to have another page long bitch-fest with someone who's idiot enough to think I'm scummy, afk for a bit.)

[esuriospiritus]

hurr durr, I guess he probably wouldn't be dumb enough to claim scum. scratch that part.

[Pine]

The fact that I've never even

heard

of this character doesn't help, really >_>

[hohum]

I'm done asking him questions for now. Arguing with him is pointless so he doesn't have to word anything in any way to me whatsoever. I reserve the right to ask him questions about his reads later as I see fit in order to clarify information, but I've already written him off.

You on the other hand ARE scummy. This how dare you attitude makes me want to lynch you.

[hohum]

esurio and dana are both suffering from the same god complex right now.

[Pine]

^Ironic post is ironic

[Ythan]

I was

hoping

someone would immediately vote for me based on being a replacement.

In my book, this is a

huge

scumtell

Read the fucking thread instead of blindly omgusing.

[esuriospiritus]

You don't have to read the whole thread to know when new developments are scummy, necessarily. Although context helps.

Pine is absolutely right that people are trying to discredit him before he even has a chance to post reads. This makes him look a little better and the two of you both look a little worse, imo (but I'm also accounting for your use-a-figurative-bludgeon-when-all-that's-required-is-a-stick personalities, so certainly not enough to make me inclined to change my vote just yet).

[hohum]

Once again: How the hell is me asking mechanics-related questions an attempt to discredit him? I've been on record for a few pages now as saying I think he's town.

Also:

Where did Espeo claim VT? O_o

Why would he claim something different?

Lots of whining, defensive posting, accusations, appeal to emotion, etc....

Unless you have confirmable information, what should the default claim be?

VT if he's

town

You need to be lynched.

Go :smugpost: in a different game, please.

[Pine]

Once again: How the hell is me asking mechanics-related questions an attempt to discredit him?

This was the discrediting attempt:

Your many months of experience tells you this?

The mechanics question was solely aimed at pushing your lynch agenda.

[Ythan]

You don't have to read the whole thread to know when new developments are scummy, necessarily. Although context helps.

Reading the actual material one comments on is necessary at least.

[hohum]

This was the discrediting attempt:

Your many months of experience tells you this?

The mechanics question was solely aimed at pushing your lynch agenda.

Read the fucking thread instead of blindly omgusing.

I'm trying to decide if you know enough about the mechanics of this game to trust your reads when (not if) you flip.

[RedCoyote]

The fact that I've never even

heard

of this character doesn't help, really >_>

That's about par for the course, my friend.

---

Ythan, where did you go? ;_;

[danakillsu]

This game has gone way downhill. Where did this "dana has a god complex" thing come from? Seems pretty random to me.

[hohum]

This game has gone way downhill. Where did this "dana has a god complex" thing come from? Seems pretty random to me.

You're being wagoned because you aren't paying attention to the thread. If you can't figure that out it means you still aren't paying attention to the thread and should be wagoned some more.