Newbie 1101 - Game over!

[sanchocolates]

Correct me if I'm wrong please but is Voided being voted for by 3 people that have 2 separate reasons for their case on him?

[Grimmjow]

OMFG WTF WHAT HAPPENED WHILE I WAS AT WORK? HOW DID TWO NEW PAGES ALREADY SHOW UP? AHHHHHHH?

That sounds like participation to me, Voided...

Anyway, I have to catch up, and it's already after 2 here, so I'm gonna have to do that tomorrow :/

[Grimmjow]

EBWOP: "AHHHHHH!" XD

[cjdrum]

cjdrum, I'm looking through your history, and I can't find a game that had you as scum in it. Do you have one that you could link to?

Not here I don't, but I've been scum on other forum... Let me find links.

One
Two

Neither of which I am proud of, but hey.


Voided: I still see you as scummy - there's just a sense I get from your posting. I guess it's not exactly strong reasoning...

Which leads me to PI04. I believe he's done... 3 completely different Town/Scum read posts. It looks to me like a Newbie scum doing one of bussing and un-bussing, then being told of a bit by a scumbuddy and choosing the other one. If this is right... I'd be wary of sanchocolates (post #175).
So,

unvote: Voidedmafia

Major FoS: PersonalIdiot04

Minor FoS: sanchocolates

I'm going to be watching these two more closely now. If anything jumps out at me...

[sanchocolates]

Which leads me to PI04. I believe he's done... 3 completely different Town/Scum read posts. It looks to me like a Newbie scum doing one of bussing and un-bussing, then being told of a bit by a scumbuddy and choosing the other one. If this is right... I'd be wary of sanchocolates (post #175).
So,

unvote: Voidedmafia

Major FoS: PersonalIdiot04

Minor FoS: sanchocolates

I'm going to be watching these two more closely now. If anything jumps out at me...

PI has only voted one person for reals, and that is VoidedMafia. He actually STARTED Voided's wagon, so how is that bussing and un-bussing?

[sanchocolates]

I stated that PI hasn't been contributing much except for the fact he's on Voided's case. Hardly sounds like telling off to me.

[Incognito]

PI should still explain his reads and stuff. He should also explain why he has butterflies - not really understanding that one since, from what I see, he's not really being pressured by anyone too hard, imo. I think he's wrong about douchebaggery being a scum tell in Voided's case; that said, PersonalIdiot's reaction kind of makes me think he actually BELIEVES in what he's saying, which is a slight town tell in my eyes.

I'd hate to sound like a broken record but I'm getting worse and worse feelings about cjdrum at this point. There's simply no way any of what he's written in his last post could possibly be genuine.

@dk_peace: I know you mentioned that you tend to be more of a methodical player, but what are you currently thinking? I've been following along with your interrogation of Voided, and I'm not really sure where you stand on him. Do you think he's backtracking scum, do you think he's town who might've made a mistake or might've been misinterpreted, or something else?

Random: My timezone is different than all of yours. This makes it harder for me to keep track since most posts will be done when I'm sleeping.

The obvious solution is to move to the U.S.

[sanchocolates]

I'd hate to sound like a broken record but I'm getting worse and worse feelings about cjdrum at this point. There's simply no way any of what he's written in his last post could possibly be genuine.

I have a feeling he misread some things, specially in the past few pages.

Random: My timezone is different than all of yours. This makes it harder for me to keep track since most posts will be done when I'm sleeping.

The obvious solution is to move to the U.S.

Look at my location, mate. (:

[Incognito]

I don't think he's misread anything; I think he's seriously trying to push the idea that you and PI could be scum together, which seems really bogus to me given his reasoning for thinking that.

It's also strange to have lingering suspicion of Voided while also being suspicious of PI given the fact that PI has been at Voided's neck for quite some time now. What's the theory there? That PI has just been choosing to unnecessarily hyperbus his buddy since page 2?

And that was why I said you should move to the U.S. It was a joke.

[Elfen]

^ TRue true. If PI does not show any reason why he thinks people are scum and townie. Especially me?? How do you guys think I am leaning time. Literary this is a first for me. Every mafia gam I played, I was the first one to be accused scum @_@ it hurt my feelings... But PI only has sated things with out reason. Well, could be newbie mistake.. But hey, my second game, I did a whole lot better. So the n00b thing won't matter much when you play a couple days. Cause the first game I played... yikes it was harsh.

Hmm, I will look into the cj post. Unless you will be so kind and find the post or things he has sadi to save me time @_@

[sanchocolates]

I agree, don't want a quick lynch

unvote: Voidedmafia

sanchocolates: I agree, my case is probably fairly weak. But, I believe that these small slips are enough to add up to a D1 lynch of Voided. It's little things like these and others that help to maximize the potential of a scum being lynched on D1 - it's pretty rare to actually catch a Mafia member on the first day due to the lack of role flips and the like.
I will happily support a Voidedmafia lynch, but would like to see him post to confirm that he isn't a Power Role, and to offer something of a defense-ish form.

He first posts this. And few pages later he votes for him again. Now this happens:

Voided: I still see you as scummy - there's just a sense I get from your posting. I guess it's not exactly strong reasoning...

Which leads me to PI04. I believe he's done... 3 completely different Town/Scum read posts. It looks to me like a Newbie scum doing one of bussing and un-bussing, then being told of a bit by a scumbuddy and choosing the other one. If this is right... I'd be wary of sanchocolates (post #175).
So,

unvote: Voidedmafia

Major FoS: PersonalIdiot04

Minor FoS: sanchocolates

I'm going to be watching these two more closely now. If anything jumps out at me...

[Elfen]

So basically, When no one else voted for Voided, he kind of unvoted inorder to not be suspicious?? Am i right??

[Voidedmafia]

Correct me if I'm wrong please but is Voided being voted for by 3 people that have 2 separate reasons for their case on him?

I think so?

OMFG WTF WHAT HAPPENED WHILE I WAS AT WORK? HOW DID TWO NEW PAGES ALREADY SHOW UP? AHHHHHHH?

That sounds like participation to me, Voided...

Anyway, I have to catch up, and it's already after 2 here, so I'm gonna have to do that tomorrow :/

Given the timeframe (from what I recall), not really. Also because it's two pages of pretty much the same people going back and forth. There's none of you, Oswald, or PI for that matter.

EBWOP: "AHHHHHH!" XD

Okay...

Voided: I still see you as scummy - there's just a sense I get from your posting. I guess it's not exactly strong reasoning...

Which leads me to PI04. I believe he's done... 3 completely different Town/Scum read posts. It looks to me like a Newbie scum doing one of bussing and un-bussing, then being told of a bit by a scumbuddy and choosing the other one. If this is right... I'd be wary of sanchocolates (post #175).
So,

unvote: Voidedmafia

Major FoS: PersonalIdiot04

Minor FoS: sanchocolates

I'm going to be watching these two more closely now. If anything jumps out at me...

Just how is 175 anything scummy? It's a pretty valid question, considering how PI's been playing.

Also, Sancho brings up a good point here:

PI has only voted one person for reals, and that is VoidedMafia. He actually STARTED Voided's wagon, so how is that bussing and un-bussing?

That's not to say that the rest of PI's play isn't scummy at all, but that's a rather weak point to be making.

PI should still explain his reads and stuff. He should also explain why he has butterflies - not really understanding that one since, from what I see, he's not really being pressured by anyone too hard, imo. I think he's wrong about douchebaggery being a scum tell in Voided's case; that said, PersonalIdiot's reaction kind of makes me think he actually BELIEVES in what he's saying, which is a slight town tell in my eyes.

He believes what he himself said, or believes what

I

said? I'm not quite sure who "he's" is referring to.

So basically, When no one else voted for Voided, he kind of unvoted inorder to not be suspicious?? Am i right??

That's certainly one way to look at it, definitely. Probably is the best way to look at it, too.

[PersonalIdiot04]

cjdrum, I'm looking through your history, and I can't find a game that had you as scum in it. Do you have one that you could link to?

Not here I don't, but I've been scum on other forum... Let me find links.

One
Two

Neither of which I am proud of, but hey.


Voided: I still see you as scummy - there's just a sense I get from your posting. I guess it's not exactly strong reasoning...

Which leads me to PI04. I believe he's done... 3 completely different Town/Scum read posts. It looks to me like a Newbie scum doing one of bussing and un-bussing, then being told of a bit by a scumbuddy and choosing the other one. If this is right... I'd be wary of sanchocolates (post #175).
So,

unvote: Voidedmafia

Major FoS: PersonalIdiot04

Minor FoS: sanchocolates

I'm going to be watching these two more closely now. If anything jumps out at me...

OK, now THIS arouses

suspicion on the highest level

. So...

UnFoS: Everyone who I had FoS'd

,

HoS: cjdrum

[el simo]

Vote Count

• (2) Voidedmafia
  -
  PersonalIdiot04, Grimmjow
  
  
• (2) cjdrum
  -
  sanchocolates, Incognito
  
  
• (1) Oswald
  -
  Voidedmafia

(4) Not Voting:

dk_peace, Elfen, Oswald, cjdrum

With 9 alive, it takes 5 to lynch.

[Incognito]

Voided, I'm saying that PersonalIdiot's reaction to your "douchebaggery" makes me think he genuinely believes that it's a real scum tell and not like something he's just making up as scum to pin on you. It was a mildly townish post on his part, in my opinion.

PersonalIdiot: If that arouses your suspicions to, in your own words, "the highest level" why don't you switch your vote to him?

[Voidedmafia]

PI, we are STILL wiating for that big reason as to why I'm scummy.

Grimm: I do not think you have answered that question. Do you still find me scummy? If so, why, if not, why is your vote still on me, and do you have anyone else you suspect? It seems that your vote is currently going nowhere where it is right now. You could argue the same for my vote on Oswald, I know, but until he actually gets back here and gives us something that outweighs the new scumminess in that unvote, it's doing well enough where it is.

[Incognito]

gives us something that outweighs the new scumminess in that unvote, it's doing well enough where it is.

Woah, what's scummy about his unvote?

[Grimmjow]

OK, so long story short I have been busy the past few days looking to buy a car, which I did today, between juggling work, etc. Anyway, I have been reading along, and I have been typing my thoughts in a word doc. So once I finish up, I'll be posting. Which likely will be tomorrow morning for me, since I'm dead tired and stressed out after having dealt with car shit all day. Anyway, I am still keeping up, and I am noting things, but I just haven't had time to write them all down yet.

[Elfen]

Ok, major FoS on PI04. He has been avoiding the questions we asked him and just posted a post saying that something was suspicious, gave no reason. he has been doing this lately, doing things without reason.

Major FoS: PI24

[Incognito]

Guys, FoS's are fine to express multiple suspicions when you already have a vote down. But if you don't have a vote down they're kinda worthless.

So yeah.

[Voidedmafia]

gives us something that outweighs the new scumminess in that unvote, it's doing well enough where it is.

Woah, what's scummy about his unvote?

He unvotes with no reason whatsoever, and he's not followed up since. What else would I call it, other than possibly Anti-town?

[Incognito]

Ummm.
Ok let's think this through here.
Let's assume you're town.
Let's assume Oswald is scum.
Let's remember that you were at L-1 because of his vote.
Given these assumptions what do you think would be the better course of action for an Oswald-scum to take:

a)

Leave his vote on you hoping someone hammers you while he's "away and busy"
OR

b)

Unvote you?

I think the choice is pretty obvious there...

Do note that I'm not saying that I think Oswald is town as a result of this but to insist that Oswald's unvote is scummy seems kinda wrong coming from you.

[Voidedmafia]

I could accept that, IF he had given reason for his unvote, or even this as his reason. As you know, there is no such reason, which is why I call it scummy.

[Voidedmafia]

Incog, it's the same thing I got on Oswald for in my reply to his "case": The fact that he unvoted Grimm because of what

you

said, not Grimmjow. Here, it'd be because of what

you

said and not what

he

said.