Nintendo Mafia (Game Over)

[lewarcher82]

@esurio: dunno about the others, but this is what I think about dana. I used to think he was scummy, basically for the reasons discussed since the beginning of day 2. I then liked his iso 32, but his ISO 35 is back to usual scumminess. He is a viable lynch. But after TWO damn wagons grew and colapsed, I still think that espeo/pine lynch would not only dispose of one scum, but also provide us with interesting information about the counterwagons.

I fail to see why the people voting thill don't understand this simple fact. And the reason I fail to see it is that they won't tell.

well, anyway, pine said he is caught up. let's listen to his catch up post and then we will see.

[Pinky and the Brain]

I notice you have no problem giving TMH a hard time for hydra-lurking, yet you don't mention Pinky & the Brain, who have lurked a hell of a lot harder, have fewer posts, and about a third of those posts were "oops, forgot to sign which head this was" posts.

It suprises me that you claim to have just finished re-reading, and yet you feel compelled to say this. I'm not one to blow my own trumpet (usually), but I do think that I have been one of the more pro-active case-makers.

(I am also in a similar boat to Toasty, as I'm quite sure Twistedspoon is deliberately ignoring this thread/the hydra QT now.)

I really do wish I could contribute something to this game, but nothing's happening that I can comment on. Can the people on random wagons just vote someone that might be lynched, so we can get a move on?

Which wagons specifically do you mean by this?

@esurio: dunno about the others, but this is what I think about dana. I used to think he was scummy, basically for the reasons discussed since the beginning of day 2. I then liked his iso 32, but his ISO 35 is back to usual scumminess. He is a viable lynch. But after TWO damn wagons grew and colapsed, I still think that espeo/pine lynch would not only dispose of one scum, but also provide us with interesting information about the counterwagons.

I fail to see why the people voting thill don't understand this simple fact. And the reason I fail to see it is that they won't tell.

The reason we don't understand the simple fact of resulting information being interesting may be that you're not really saying anything at all by calling it 'interesting'.

Then I guess I don't understand it

Okay then thil, tell me, what exactly did you mean by this:

Right now my reads fit in with the group, and just listing them out would rehash what has already been said.

What reads were you talking about (please list them out/rehash them for me)?

Mod: Vote count, please?

I'ma go out have some fun.

BUT MAFIA IS FUN TOO!!!!!111!

~ Hoppster

[Ythan]

Still here. Probably got a prod coming up soon.

WHAT IS THIS I DON'T EVEN

FoS

: Ythan - prod-dodgery. Not inherently scummy, but not inherently towny either.

So you're FoSing me for something because it isn't inherently townie. And an FoS, onlike a vote, serves no purpose other than to indicate suspicion.

Bullshit post.

[jmj3000]

Official Vote Count

Players needed to lynch: 9

danakillsu

- 3 - kdub, hohum, mb53 - (L-6)

hohum

- 1 - thil13 - (L-8)

mb53

- 1 - Bunnylover - (L-8)

pine

- 5 - esuriospiritus, danakillsu, lewarcher82, crazypianist1116, Ythan - (L-4)

thil13

- 6 - chkflip, RedCoyote, The Master Hand, Pinky and the Brain, GhostWriter, Dekes - (L-3)

Players not voting: pine

Deadline is May 22nd at 9 PM EDT.

(expired on 2011-05-22 21:00:00)

Whee countdown code. Anyways, let me know if there are errors.

[chkflip]

I FoS'ed you for something I

also did

, I thought the first line in full caps made it obvious I was joking. Dekes got it.

[mb53]

Yeah yeah, I'm here, reading.

[Ythan]

That's bullshit chk.

FoS

: Ythan - prod-dodgery. Not inherently scummy, but not inherently towny either.

[chkflip]

Wow, dude. I know what I said. This reminds me of a Zito quote.

mafia is srs bsns.

p.s. why would I cast the FoS on something I think is a null-tell? That's retarded. I'm not responding past this.

[Ythan]

You said. In that thing I quoted. That it was null.

Are you seriously this dense.

[mb53]

Your post suggests you believe I have a history of trying to find scummy things in things that aren't scummy. Y/N?

Remember your vote on my Day 1? Yeah....
Yes, my scum reads are puuurrty much the same as before.

I read RC as pointing out MB's need to repeatedly point out null reads and almost stress the fact that they're null. You can have null reads. That's all good. Everyone has them. But they don't go around shouting it to look like they're giving reads on players. Giving a null read is barely better than saying nothing at all. Adding details on why it's null rarely helps.

I assumed I would be asked on what I thought of the wagon that is gaining speed. I said what I thought of it before I was asked. Also, I wanted to point out that my read changed (no longer town).

Also, saying someone is null isn't scummy either.

@chkflip's recent posts.

Wait what?... Ok ok. You FoS Ythan. Then hohum says that he doesn't like your post, and ythan isn't posting filler. You think he meant you were posting filler, so you ask how casting suspicion is filler. Now you are trying to claim it is a joke? After CLEARLY SAYING YOU WERE CASTING SUSPICION (even though at the same time saying it was null (wut.)). Wut. Anyone else see something wrong with this?

[Ythan]

Anyone else see something wrong with this?

Are you paying attention?

[mb53]

Anyone else see something wrong with this?

Are you paying attention?

Kind of, not really? I'm insanely tired. Butttt.... ok. Yeah.

[GhostWriter]

Wow, dude. I know what I said. This reminds me of a Zito quote.

mafia is srs bsns.

p.s. why would I cast the FoS on something I think is a null-tell? That's retarded. I'm not responding past this.

Caught in bullshit, claim it's mud, told it stinks, insist it's mud, declare conversation over in a fit of rage to mask the smell.

That's what I just saw.

Also, Dekes didn't point out anything. Dekes was announcing that he was also prod-dodging. You know, cause that'd explain why he followed it up with an explanation on why he was prod-dodging.

[RedCoyote]

Kdub, hohum, mb, and Bunny: It's increasingly looking like two major wagons are forming with a little more than a week until the deadline. You four should start considering what you like and dislike about these wagons, because you guys are the swing votes that will be making the decision if nothing changes soon.

[lewarcher82]

@pinky: huh, it didn't lookso hard to understand. When I say information, I basically mean this:

wagons on espeo/pine grow and collapse due to the lurking of the player who occupies the spot. At the same time, other wagons grow and get other players lynched. This happened on day 2 and will probably happen this day as well. Since scum has daytalk, we may assume that they are coordinating their play bettern than in other games. Therefore, if we lynch pine and he flips scum, we will have a lot of material to work on, starting from the very way the counter wagons started and developped.

[Kdub]

Kdub, hohum, mb, and Bunny: It's increasingly looking like two major wagons are forming with a little more than a week until the deadline. You four should start considering what you like and dislike about these wagons, because you guys are the swing votes that will be making the decision if nothing changes soon.

I've already said that I don't want to lynch Pine. A week until deadline is still a fair amount of time.

I'm still most in favor of either a dana or GW lynch.

Hey, you reap what you sow. No case = no defense.

Here's a case for you to respond to, dana:

Mb53. Don't make me think that you find me suspicious in every game we play with each other.
This is a bit disappointing, as I will mostly turn out town most of the time anyways.
When will the CASE be ready?

I really don't like this post. It's like Tragedy's trying to remind people that chances are that she's town, as if we didn't know that already. It reads like overconfident scum to me.

FoS: Tragedy

This is a strange reason to suspect Tragedy, especially coming as it does when the Tragedy wagon is gaining steam. What is overconfident about that post? It looks like nothing to me.

KILL THE AWFUL VT (I THINK IT'S VT ANYWAY) CLAIM! IT DOESN'T EVEN MAKE ANY SENSE TO ME! HE HAS A POWER THAT DOESN'T EXIST BUT HE HAS NO POWER? WHAT IS THIS I DON'T EVEN???????????

unvote vote: Tragedy

I have ALWAYS wanted to do that.

Tragedy said "I have nothing to do in this whole game with my power that doesn't exist. Anyways I still don't have a power."
That made no sense to me and looked like Tragedy was trying to make up flavor that the mod gave her which was really just her own work. Add to that the fact that she was claiming ANOTHER obscure character that was a VT, and it just was not believable at all to me. Why would I give someone else time to reconsider when I had decided the claim was fake?

If somebody else has claimed an obscure character as a VT, and they actually flipped as an obscure character that was a VT, why would that make Tragedy's claim unbelievable? By saying "ANOTHER obscure character that was a VT", it's pretty clear that you disbelieve the claim on the grounds that you don't think more than one such a character would be in the game. What is your basis for that reasoning? Wouldn't the opposite tend to be true in a game this size?

I'm not really getting the "your laughter wasn't spontaneous/genuine, therefore you're scummy" thing. Why does it seem like a ton of people want to attack esurio for crappy reasons? Maybe we shouldn't go there for now, honestly. Let's lynch Espeonage and see where it goes. If he flips town, I will be MORE inclined to lynch esurio.

So you spend all game defending esurio from Espeonage, now it looks like you are trying to line up a lynch ON esurio if he flips town. Obvious scum motivation here.

Aside from that, you have done no scumhunting on anybody outside of Espeonage's slot. Most of your posts are you defending yourself, hammering Tragedy, or complaining about this game.

[danakillsu]

@ Kdub
I never expected MOST of the characters to be minor, so since mine is, and the dead guy's was, I thought it much less likely for Tragedy's claim to be true.
You might see scum motivation in that post from your PoV, but it really just makes sense. If Espeo wasn't scum as I thought he was, I would be MORE willing to lynch esurio. But I emphasized the MORE for a reason. You're right about the no scumhunting on anyone else, and although I take some responsibility for that, I blame it mostly on the fact that Espeo/Pine is not dead.

[chkflip]

You said. In that thing I quoted. That it was null.

Are you seriously this dense.

No, I'm telling you I wouldn't seriously cast the FoS on a null-tell; thus, in turn, that would make my FoS a joke. You dense?

By all means, make a mountain out of this molehill.

MODSKEE: V/LA from Friday, Mar. 13 through Sunday, Mar. 15

Getting shitfaced with my bro in the woods for his birthday.

A little rushed. Just thought I'd reiterate. Thanks!

[lewarcher82]

people of the old voting bloc were asked what we think of a dana lynch. I answered, now I'd like to ask the very same question to the people on the thil wagon.

[Ythan]

By all means, make a mountain out of this molehill.

If you make stupid posts I'm going to talk about it and trying to cover up your bullshit like it never happened makes you look scummy as fuck.

[danakillsu]

@ Pinky
I mean the hohum and mb53 wagons. I don't mean random from their perspective, just from mine.

[Dekes]

Maybe I am wrong with my read on lelouch (I have accidentally defended scum before, I can link if you want me to), but I feel he is genuinly trying (even in the post where he gave up he was scum hunting lol). I don't know what to think of the quicktopic topic, it may or may not be a coincidence.

Again, just a very innocent act about his stance on Leouch. "Maybe I'm wrong..." "I've accidentally been wrong before..." "it may be a coincidence...". Feels manipulative in the sense that mb53 is giving a heaping dose of uncertainty. Compare this to his post 174. This post is more rational and less full of doubt.

I just wanted to point this post out. This is pretty much what I was talking about earlier in this post (questions section) about why I'm having MB lean scum now. Furthermore, the defense is downright pathetic. Why? Because of how quickly it came. And because it completely changes what the accusation reads as, or at least what I percieve it to read as. I read RC as pointing out MB's need to repeatedly point out null reads and almost stress the fact that they're null. You can have null reads. That's all good. Everyone has them. But they don't go around shouting it to look like they're giving reads on players. Giving a null read is barely better than saying nothing at all. Adding details on why it's null rarely helps.d my final thoughts.

That happened on Day 1. Why didn't you mention this earlier? Any of your previous statements about mb were leaning town.

Looking at the vote count, the thil wagon looks really awful. The only people I'm comfortable with are RC and myself. The fact that thil is lurking his way through all of this isn't helping either (last post May 10th, last visit on the site today and I've seen him on previous days, too). I honsetly think that thil is overwhelmed by this. Regardless, that slot needs some Night Action on him. PRs, you know what to do. And if someone has an incriminating result, out with it. Because let's face it, we need a scum flip badly.

chkflip's reaction is all sorts of bad. Who'd he replace? Lucresia...oh Lord. There's a good place for a vote.

But, then there's dana. In my experience dana's always scummy as fuck. I've read through Kdub's case on dana and imo only his last point holds water. Dana's really waffling about esurio and went from defending esurio to chain-lynching her up.

Unvote; Vote: dana

That should answer the question if I'm up for a dana lynch.

@TMH
Pull youselves together. I'd suggest replacing out if it wouldn't mean even more work for the mod.
D1 was a mess. Then don't read it. But there's no excuse for not reading up on Day 2 and 3. That's like 15 pages. Right now you're a scummy bunch of lurker.

[GhostWriter]

Maybe I am wrong with my read on lelouch (I have accidentally defended scum before, I can link if you want me to), but I feel he is genuinly trying (even in the post where he gave up he was scum hunting lol). I don't know what to think of the quicktopic topic, it may or may not be a coincidence.

Again, just a very innocent act about his stance on Leouch. "Maybe I'm wrong..." "I've accidentally been wrong before..." "it may be a coincidence...". Feels manipulative in the sense that mb53 is giving a heaping dose of uncertainty. Compare this to his post 174. This post is more rational and less full of doubt.

I just wanted to point this post out. This is pretty much what I was talking about earlier in this post (questions section) about why I'm having MB lean scum now. Furthermore, the defense is downright pathetic. Why? Because of how quickly it came. And because it completely changes what the accusation reads as, or at least what I percieve it to read as. I read RC as pointing out MB's need to repeatedly point out null reads and almost stress the fact that they're null. You can have null reads. That's all good. Everyone has them. But they don't go around shouting it to look like they're giving reads on players. Giving a null read is barely better than saying nothing at all. Adding details on why it's null rarely helps.d my final thoughts.

That happened on Day 1. Why didn't you mention this earlier? Any of your previous statements about mb were leaning town.

Yes they were, due to me drawing a parallel between him and Espeo. However, I took another look at him and changed my mind entirely.

[GhostWriter]

Also, Dana, could you answer this?

I'm not really getting the "your laughter wasn't spontaneous/genuine, therefore you're scummy" thing. Why does it seem like a ton of people want to attack esurio for crappy reasons? Maybe we shouldn't go there for now, honestly. Let's lynch Espeonage and see where it goes. If he flips town, I will be MORE inclined to lynch esurio.

Why? Specifically why would you be more inclined to lynch Esurio? What is the connection you've made? Because from looking at this, it seems that you've somehow connected the laughter thing to the case against Espeo. Which, of course, makes no sense, as the two are completely unrelated.

[crazypianist1116]

Just got prodded. Handed in my essay earlier today so I'm completely free this weekend. I know I've been a bit of a pain this game day and I'll make it up.