A Gentleman's Game of Guile, Subterfuge, and Intrigue (Fin)

[Hoppster]

*most unsavoury expletives*

I appear to have lost my draft of a case (albeit an incomplete one) on Twistedspoon.

It was, however, not very concise, so I shall take this as a sign that a quote-heavy wall-post was not to be.

A quick condensation of my overall suspicions against him:

• Pursuit of non-game related stuff over actual content
• Misrepresentation: here|here|here
• Sheeping people regarding my self-vote: here|here (although in sheeping Feysal he's misrepresenting him)
• His claim. Allow me to demonstrate:

I am vanilla townie

a Most Proper but Unspectacular Man of Class if we're going to talk fancy

This certainly seems to me to be an addendum to a fraudulent claim by a villain who in these 3 minutes has sat back and realised that perhaps he should have added the flavour in his inital fake-claim ("OHHEY LOOK I HAVE THE FLAVOUR SO I MUST ACTUALLY HAVE THE ROLE PM").

[Twistedspoon]

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are you going to discuss my claim or linguistics?
IIOA all around from hoppster

[Hoppster]

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are you going to discuss my claim or linguistics?
IIOA all around from hoppster

Umm, did you just admit that I was providing information in saying that you were misrepresenting people?

Yes, yes you did.

(If you think you didn't, then you're probably scum anyway for using a buzzword to try and defend yourself without believing it to be true.)


If it makes you happy: the way you repeatedly misrepresented people is scummy because you:

a) Used it to try and attack kpaca (for what was essentially a non-existent reason). Town base logic on actual stuff as we have incentives to lynch correctly.

b) Used it to try and undermine vezok's attack on you. Scum have more of a survival mindset than town, and thus there is more scum motivation to take a 'anything to survive' approach, such as misrepresenting attacks on you. If town do think they are being attacked by scum, they want the scum to be lynched in the case of their own death. They won't achieve this by misrepresenting the attacks on them, so town are not inclined to do this.

c) Used it to try and attack me (and in the process make it seem like Feysal was attacking me). This makes it harder for people to attack you, as (in the case where Feysal is town and you're scum which is probable from your misrepresentation) if people attack you, you were making it so that they had to attack Feysal as well.

[TheLonging]

I can believe krob has exams, but his request to replace out comes after a vote.

.-.

[Twistedspoon]

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are you going to discuss my claim or linguistics?
IIOA all around from hoppster

Umm, did you just admit that I was providing information in saying that you were misrepresenting people?

Yes, yes you did.

(If you think you didn't, then you're probably scum anyway for using a buzzword to try and defend yourself without believing it to be true.)

so many assumption you use there

1) that town never confuse abbreviations
2) that the IIOA was reffering to the whole of your post, not just the part where you IIOA my claim
3) that the information in IIOA is true information

assumptions. oh dear

'oh, well even though he flipped VT twisted deserved to die. His fault for acting so scummy etc.' is what hoppster will say when i flip town

no explanation for tunnelling on me though, as he always does and I always flip town.
When I flip town lynch Hoppster. Trust me
If hoppster is scum I'll never let you live it down

[Hoppster]

1) that town never confuse abbreviations
2) that the IIOA was reffering to the whole of your post, not just the part where you IIOA my claim
3) that the information in IIOA is true information

assumptions. oh dear

'oh, well even though he flipped VT twisted deserved to die. His fault for acting so scummy etc.' is what hoppster will say when i flip town

no explanation for tunnelling on me though, as he always does and I always flip town.
When I flip town lynch Hoppster. Trust me
If hoppster is scum I'll never let you live it down

Wow, forgotten what you said already? Let me requote it for you.

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are you going to discuss my claim or linguistics?
IIOA all around from hoppster

1) Quite frankly, this is a fair assumption. It's horribly conceited to use abbreviations without knowing what they are.

2) "IIOA all around from hoppster" <-- You said this. Didn't you mean it? Besides, it couldn't have been related to the claim, because I provided analysis there. So please stop lying.

3) Yes, this is completely justified, because your post was "LOL IIOA" not "THAT INFORMATION IS WRONGZORZ".


If you think I'm scum, perhaps you should actually make a case. Even if you are town, your random suspicions will hold no weight after your death. If you truly think I'm scum, you would be making an actual case for people to follow. But you're not, so you're scum.

[Twistedspoon]

1) they can still make mistakes, no?
2) yes, but paired with my reference tt your discussion of my claim I am correct.
3) It was obvious that It was wrong. Why would I agree with you that I'm scum when i know I'm not, or on anything else in this game regarding my alignment for that mater?

[Hoppster]

1) they can still make mistakes, no?
2) yes, but paired with my reference tt your discussion of my claim I am correct.
3) It was obvious that It was wrong. Why would I agree with you that I'm scum when i know I'm not, or on anything else in this game regarding my alignment for that mater?

1) Fine, but this is your only valid point. Even then I find that this is a very unlikely scenario.

2) What? Why say 'all around' then when talking about just the claim? That makes no sense. Besides, that was the ONE point I actually had explicit analysis from.

3) If it was obvious I was wrong, why even bother saying "IIOA!!!"? That makes no sense at all. If I was wrong, the one thing you would say was "THAT'S WRONG", not "THAT'S IIOA".

[StrangerCoug]

Twistedspoon's pleas to allow him to stay do not suit me. Let us oust him.

[inHimshallibe]

1) that town never confuse abbreviations
2) that the IIOA was reffering to the whole of your post, not just the part where you IIOA my claim
3) that the information in IIOA is true information

assumptions. oh dear

What else was there to assume? You've crossed the threshold now, Spoon, Esq. You mean to imply that you didn't actually know what IIOA meant, when the context of you using it certainly implied otherwise? But, then, when Sir Hoppster turns this back on you for (at best) a subconscious, semantical point you try to ruin the whole of your case just to save face?

No, good sir, it is time for you to leave. My patience has worn thin. If there is no other discussion to be had today (replacements, or otherwise) I will cast my ballot accordingly.

[Wraith]

Caboose is being replaced.

In addition, deadline will be extended indefinitely until all slots are replaced.

[Wraith]

Reya Cookiebringer

replaces Apokalyptika effective immediately.

[Reya Cookiebringer]

After a skim over of the thread, TS seems scummy to me. I first thought that Hoppster was scummier because of the self vote but as I went on he got some more town points. Will go more in depth read tomorrow.

[StrangerCoug]

inHimshallibe would be making good in ejecting Twistedspoon, yet Duke Reya of Cookiebringer's opinions are a pressing matter that need to be addressed as well. We should allow him to present his discoveries, then we may evict Twistedspoon, Esq.

[Twistedspoon]

After a skim over of the thread, TS seems scummy to me. I first thought that Hoppster was scummier because of the self vote but as I went on he got some more town points. Will go more in depth read tomorrow.

so what will happen to these scum points should/when I flip town?

[StrangerCoug]

Our dishonorable Twistedspoon, why are you attempting to preemptively invalidate Duke Reya's case? He merely came in, stated two brief reads, then said he would go into fuller detail in the morrow. As he is a stranger to us at this point, nobody but he has the slightest idea of whether he means good or evil.

[Twistedspoon]

what's wrong wrong asking him a question. If he's a fresh player, then questions should be expected

also, you can hardly dismiss it as 'stranger' like that
He still replaced apok so the slot is no stranger

[Hoppster]

If you think I'm scum, perhaps you should actually make a case. Even if you are town, your random suspicions will hold no weight after your death. If you truly think I'm scum, you would be making an actual case for people to follow. But you're not, so you're scum.

I would say that lack of follow up on this confirms Twistedspoon as a villain.

I appreciate your prescence here, Reya.

Now for two more.

[StrangerCoug]

what's wrong wrong asking him a question. If he's a fresh player, then questions should be expected

Your question, sir, assumes that we are going to suspect he is a villain because he will be advocating what you say is your mislynch. The only people to know your alignment are the villains, and then if nobody has decided to go rogue and try to get us all out of here. In addition, while the people that wanted you out will be a good source of leads, we are infested by fewer than seven villains and you cannot assume that being wrong is indicative of villainry.

also, you can hardly dismiss it as 'stranger' like that
He still replaced apok so the slot is no stranger

You have me wrong, I'm afraid. In laymen's terms, I was saying that we don't know if he's townie or scummy yet.

[Twistedspoon]

what's wrong wrong asking him a question. If he's a fresh player, then questions should be expected

Your question, sir, assumes that we are going to suspect he is a villain because he will be advocating what you say is your mislynch.

so?

everyone who votes for me does so, but I doubt we have 6 mafia

that would be daft to assume

[StrangerCoug]

What, then, is your concern with him considering you villainous? If we are in agreement that not everyone voting you is here for evil, then why should he be condemned for the points he will make?

[Twistedspoon]

I'm not condemming him, I was asking a question

[imaginality]

This discussion wearies me now, and I consider it better that we progress our efforts to rid us of villains than that we lose our enthusiasm for the hunt and allow lacklustreness to give the scoundrels the chance to run amok amongst us.

Therefore, I shall

Unvote; vote: Twistedspoon

to bring this day's debating to a close.

Let us hope that determining the Duke's intentions assists us to draw connections and better read the intent behind today's stances.

[Twistedspoon]

kthanx

now what are you going to do when you see I flip town

Actually, I forgot bout this.

[Twistedspoon]

I'm actually a miller, but I guess that doesn't matter anymore, and I'd only have been lynched sooner

so..

hoppster lynch D2? (please understand that I hold you in the highest respect Hoppster, but realise that for the second time, tunnelling on me has not been beneficial to town and advise you not to do so in the next game :p )