StrangerCoug's Favorite Roles Return (Game over!)

[Amrun]

No.

Waiting for a hammer.

[smargaret]

PT - you didn't ask about my activity level, but someone (not sure who now) accused me of "calculated inactivity." I was answering that accusation.

There is a difference between defending yourself and being preoccupied with staying alive. Ani was defending himself exclusively - no scumhunting of any kind. That's scummy defense. Now he's just flinging around accusations. Also, while his claim is the same, there are other factors besides the claim itself to make it make sense.

Ani, that post was trying to make PT look bad - I think he's scummy, and you'd better believe he's next on my lynch list after you.

Would someone please hammer and end this day?

[Twistedspoon]

next vote isn't the hammer since xvaart unvoted

[Amrun]

OH JESUS CHRIST YOU'RE RIGHT

THIS FUCKING GAME

ZINGER POST OR REPLACE OUT

[Twistedspoon]

Would someone please hammer and end this day?

why so desperate for the day to end?

[Parama]

It's gone on too long?
We've stalled on a scum lynch?
Moonbeams?

[StrangerCoug]

VOTE COUNT

animorpherv1 (5): Parama, smargaret, Amrun, bobsnox, Empking
Baby Spice (1): Twistedspoon
smargaret (3): populartajo, Surye, TheLonging
Twistedspoon (1): Baby Spice
Not voting (3): animorpherv1, Zinger2099, xvart

With

13

players alive, it takes

7

votes to lynch.

TheLonging is due to be prodded in about nine hours.

[Parama]

Okay. Here's the deal.
People on the smargaret wagon. You help me lynch ani-scum today and I'll sheep your wagon tomorrow. Deal?

[Twistedspoon]

:0
but I want a BS lynch

[populartajo]

VOTE COUNT

animorpherv1 (5): Parama, smargaret, Amrun, bobsnox, Empking
Baby Spice (1): Twistedspoon
smargaret (3): populartajo, Surye, TheLonging
Twistedspoon (1): Baby Spice
Not voting (3): animorpherv1, Zinger2099, xvart

With

13

players alive, it takes

7

votes to lynch.

TheLonging is due to be prodded in about nine hours.

still not seeing how a third party response fakeclaimer would express doubts about a third party.

but ani isnt the paragon of towniness tbh.

man, I really hate the animorpherv wagon. Parama, Amrm, what do you think of the people voting ani and the people voting smargaret?

[populartajo]

Okay. Here's the deal.
People on the smargaret wagon. You help me lynch ani-scum today and I'll sheep your wagon tomorrow. Deal?

what about the other way?

I really think smargaret is more likely to flip scum than ani.

Its like everyone thinks he is scummy but for some reason all are locked with ani and his "admitting he was fakeclaiming" stuff that is a no-sense to me.

[Empking]

VOTE COUNT

animorpherv1 (5): Parama, smargaret, Amrun, bobsnox, Empking
Baby Spice (1): Twistedspoon
smargaret (3): populartajo, Surye, TheLonging
Twistedspoon (1): Baby Spice
Not voting (3): animorpherv1, Zinger2099, xvart

With

13

players alive, it takes

7

votes to lynch.

TheLonging is due to be prodded in about nine hours.

still not seeing how a third party response fakeclaimer would express doubts about a third party.

Because he forgot that post/his fakeclaim.

[Parama]

the people voting ani are voting good
the people voting smarg are voting less good but not voting bad

ani is more likely to flip scum than smarg imo. I refuse to lynch the other way around.

twisted: I don't care that you want to push a mislynch, and I'll get back to you whenever I feel like it.

[populartajo]

seriously, smarga is good? emp is good? bobsnox is good?

[populartajo]

regardless of ani's alignment, who is the scum on that wagon?

[xvart]

scum pick on the easiest targets or lurkers. They have a high chance of being lynched and hardly fight back

So how do scum justify lynching a bunch of easy targets/lurkers as actual scum hunting? Wouldn't we eventually catch on to them and there very narrow minded mode of operation?

:0
but I want a BS lynch

Why? Do you think she is pushing an easy lynch by wanting you dead? If so, how to you reconcile that there is only one person on your wagon with the ease of getting you lynched?

I'm not going to go into much detail but I firmly believe that the best course of action, regardless of Ani's alignment, is to let him live. There are several town benefits from him living tonight (even if he is scum) if people are smart and think about it.

VOTE: empking

[populartajo]

I'm not going to go into much detail but I firmly believe that the best course of action, regardless of Ani's alignment, is to let him live. There are several town benefits from him living tonight (even if he is scum) if people are smart and think about it.

VOTE: empking

xvart, your post is gold but you should be voting smargaret and not empking.

[bobsnox]

I will vote smargaret if that is the best course of action. I guess scum have potentially more to fear from a SK than town at this stage, but I am not as convinced about smargaret's alignment as I am ani's.

[populartajo]

why dont you reread smargaret and tell me what do you think of him?

[bobsnox]

Will do.

[bobsnox]

Parama, why are you so convinced that jindori is a jester, not scum? He looks pretty scummy to me.

Surye, what translator are you using?

Vote: Jindori

Nothing sticks out. Doesn't seem like a bus to me at this point.

I know there were language PRs in the SWN games, but I don't remember if French was one of them.

That says roughly "Aawww, Surye you're using google translator? But I thought we had another Frenchman here," if I remember rightly from my French classes.

Still nothing.

First,

I'm having computer trouble and will be limited in the amount of time I have to post until it gets sorted out. I will be able to post every day.

Second, while the Ani wagon makes sense - avoiding the jindori wagon and pushing Tragedy was scummy - his claim makes sense, and I'm not willing to lynch him for it. I'm not sure why he thinks there wouldn't be an sk in this setup; there clearly have been sks in previous games, and there were two kills last night. We should at least consider the possibility.

Third, Amrun is scummy. The push on Ani - there was some shameless sheeping of Parama going on there - and the subsequent insinuation that not crumbing is scummy is itself scummy. Not everyone crumbs and the absence of crumb doesn't mean that you disregard a case. This looks an awful lot like scum (or possibly the sk?) trying to lynch someone who can stop their kills. Add to that the fact that Amrun was absent for all of day 1 - forgetting a game can happen, but when you're gone for a whole day it's suspicious, especially given the speed of the scum wagon.

Vote: Amrun

Interesting that smargaret notices the inconsistency between Ani's claim and suspicions about a SK, yet avoids voting ani here. I know in my case I never realized Ani had actually doubted the existence of a SK - I was voting him because I didn't like his claim to begin with (and I was sheeping Parama). But smargaret apparently saw that inconsistency and yet turns her attention to Amrun instead.

I don't know what her point is in that last sentence about Amrun forgetting about the first day.

ani is likely scum; tragedy push is absolutely retarded

VOTE: animorpherv

He was trying to redirect the lynch to Tragedy yesterday and it was awful.

That looks a lot like sheeping to me, Amrun.

hmm seems more like reiterating shared suspicion rather than blatant sheeping. And sheeping is not always bad (especially when you nail scum as a sheep).

Amrun has a decent (and original) point about Ani not voting Empking.

For crying out loud, would people please look at the gender field? Why does everybody suddenly think I'm male? *rant*

Ani, bobsnox has a good point in his capsrage. Why aren't you addressing it?

I really want to vote Ani, but with the number of people who haven't really posted yet, and the speed of the wagon yesterday (and lack of associative tells to work from today) I'm uncomfortable putting him at L-1 right now. I think he's probably going to be the lynch today, just not yet. Until we can hear from some more people,

Unvote

ehhhh yeah I don't like this post after re-reading it. smargaret has plenty of reason to vote animorpherv but still delays. Definitely sounds like scum avoiding having to bus another buddy.

Since Ani wasn't in that game, chances are good he got a role from it, firefighter being such an unusual thing. ie: The reason he knows of ifirefighter is most probably receiving a role from the game it was in.

Can you explain this a little more? Why do you think Ani is more likely to have received a role from a game he wasn't in, since roles are theoretically assigned randomly?

All I'm doing is trying to getmyself not lynched

. I claimed to save myself so we could lynch actual scum, and I'M the bad guy? Nice going there.

If you want to lynch someone because of my claim, that would be Parama. He brought up the situation to such an extreme point that this is all we are talking about, and I claimed.

Very interesting, especially the bolded. Ani seems unusually preoccupied with his own survival. Also, note the sudden about face on Parama, from town to lynch target. I don't recall Parama asking you to claim, Ani, you did that all on your own. Now it just looks like he's frantically searching for any target other than himself to get lynched today.

Also, I asked you to address bobsnox's point in my last post, Ani. You've posted since I did without saying anything one way or another about my post. Please fix this.

Surye, why isn't Ani the lynch today? I know you think BS is more likely to be scum, but do you have a town read on Ani, is it the claim, or something else?

Vote: Ani

The first part looks like a misunderstanding of BS's thinking. The rest of it could be taken one of two ways: smargaret is a meticulous townie or smargaret is admonishing her buddy to stop playing so badly that she has to bus him. "Please fix this" makes me think the latter.

I would be very surprised if all the scum were off the wagon, but that doesn't mean that they were all on it. I'd say we can find 1, maybe two scum on the wagon other than jindori.

scum lynch obv

anyways are votes a scumvote until proven a bus or a bus until proven a scumvote?

sure, I'd look scummy if it was a bus, but it wasn't and you can't prove it unless you say I'm scum which you say because I might have bussed because I might be scum because I might have bussed

etc.

circular logic you have there

I really don't understand what you're trying to say here, TS. You're saying things without actually saying anything.

I'm not

I'm just saying that they weren't on the wagon and they had a reason for that

although I think scum would have been alerted that the day had started because the mod would have posted in the QT that D1 had started

And you don't think it's possible scum could have been v/la or otherwise away from the game for a day? You don't think scum could have deliberately lurked? This is very shortsighted.

lets lynch smargaret plz.

Why are you tunneling me?

his questions and cases feel designed and fake; seriously go iso him:

Parama, why are you so convinced that jindori is a jester, not scum? He looks pretty scummy to me.
Surye, what translator are you using?

as I said, in this context of jindoriscum, this attack reeks of someone that knew jindori was scum.
and the translator question feels like smargaret asking unnecesary questions to appear helpful, common scum maneuver.

In the case of the translator question, I'm not good enough at French to be able to translate quickly from the sort of error-ridden stuff returned by computerized translators. If you run it back through a translator and you use the same one, you get more accurate results than you do if you use a different one. It's a null question - it's something I would ask regardless of alignment because it makes it easier for me to read Surye's posts. You're reaching.

How exactly does it look like I knew jindori was scum? There's a saying - "when you hear hoofbeats, think horses, not zebras" - if someone's being scummy, they're more likely to be scum than a jester. I think that was a perfectly reasonable question.

Add to that the fact that Amrun was absent for all of day 1 - forgetting a game can happen, but when you're gone for a whole day it's suspicious,

lolno, this is not suspicious; its scum trying to support his case with nulltells.

the sheeping accusation against you is weak since you had your own reasons to suspect ani

1. I'll grant that it's not a strong tell, but it IS a tell - and it wasn't my only point.
2. lolwat? Amrun's reasons were EXACTLY the same as Parama's.

and his ani progression goes from:

Second, while the Ani wagon makes sense - avoiding the jindori wagon and pushing Tragedy was scummy - his claim makes sense, and I'm not willing to lynch him for it.

I really want to vote Ani, but with the number of people who haven't really posted yet, and the speed of the wagon yesterday (and lack of associative tells to work from today) I'm uncomfortable putting him at L-1 right now. I think he's probably going to be the lynch today, just not yet

Very interesting, especially the bolded. Ani seems unusually preoccupied with his own survival.
Vote: Ani

bonus: preoccupied with his own survival is NOT scummy.

Plz lynch this scumbag.

His claim made sense, and then it didn't. I didn't want him at L-1 before everyone had posted because of the way the speed from day 1 is hampering us - I want a longer day today. When he kept acting scummy and people had unvoted, I put my vote back on to keep the pressure up.

WTF do you mean that being preoccupied with your own survival isn't a scumtell? Town doesn't need to worry about staying alive, scum does. It's right up there with looking for scumhunting in terms of usable scumtells.

Also, I am a woman. I've said this before. In fact, if you look at my username, sMARGARET, hey, it has a female name in it. Please stop referring to me as he.

scratch that, I confused it with BS

But TS feels very VIish, specially with the lynch me if Im wrong stuff

we need momentum on smargaret, now

VI != confirmed town. Just sayin'.

About my activity level, this is consistent across my games (you can go look for the posts). I got stuck with a computer virus I can't fix, my fiance (who can fix it) is writing his generals exams and needs the one remaining computer to do so, and the other computer won't get fixed until he turns in his papers this weekend. It's not calculated inactivity if there's a legit problem.

Ani, do you mean that the possibility of an SK, when you have a role designed to counter an SK, never crossed your mind? Wow.

Actually, PT, have you said anything about the Ani case yet? Please take a stance on that; I don't like how you're ignoring the other major wagon today and it feels like you're trying to set up a counterwagon on me.

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His claim made sense, and then it didn't. I didn't want him at L-1 before everyone had posted because of the way the speed from day 1 is hampering us - I want a longer day today. When he kept acting scummy and people had unvoted, I put my vote back on to keep the pressure up.

" That part just seems like revision of history. That's not how I would have summarized her posts in context.

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Ani, do you mean that the possibility of an SK, when you have a role designed to counter an SK, never crossed your mind? Wow.

" She noticed the inconsistency (the damning inconsistency IMO), but did not make such an issue out of it at first. Now she seems fully committed to the lynch, and from perspective, fully committed to the bus.

PT - you didn't ask about my activity level, but someone (not sure who now) accused me of "calculated inactivity." I was answering that accusation.

There is a difference between defending yourself and being preoccupied with staying alive. Ani was defending himself exclusively - no scumhunting of any kind. That's scummy defense. Now he's just flinging around accusations. Also, while his claim is the same, there are other factors besides the claim itself to make it make sense.

Ani, that post was trying to make PT look bad - I think he's scummy, and you'd better believe he's next on my lynch list after you.

Would someone please hammer and end this day?

More of the same.

Now that I'm sitting back and reviewing this, though, I'm not sure how much sense it makes for smargaret to be scum with ani. If ani is scum then he is probably a SK. Why would smargaret not want to lynch a SK if she is mafia? Or is ani town and smargaret was avoiding being part of what she thinks is a mislynch? I don't know where to go from here. What is their relationship? It came across as a buddy relationship in smargaret's ISO but now I'm wondering how that would make sense.

[Amrun]

Tajo, if I can get agreement from the other smarg voters to lynch ani tomorrow, I will switch.

[bobsnox]

Can someone please address the last paragraph of my previous post before we lynch anyone?

[Amrun]

How would smargaret even know ani was the sk?

Seems more like she's avoiding lynching her buddy to me.

[populartajo]

and his ani progression goes from:

Second, while the Ani wagon makes sense - avoiding the jindori wagon and pushing Tragedy was scummy - his claim makes sense, and I'm not willing to lynch him for it.

I really want to vote Ani, but with the number of people who haven't really posted yet, and the speed of the wagon yesterday (and lack of associative tells to work from today) I'm uncomfortable putting him at L-1 right now. I think he's probably going to be the lynch today, just not yet

Very interesting, especially the bolded. Ani seems unusually preoccupied with his own survival.
Vote: Ani

bonus: preoccupied with his own survival is NOT scummy.

this should be enough reason to lynch smargaret over ani.