Nintendo Mafia (Game Over)

[hohum]

Also TMH: There's fucking two of you on that hydra and you post so infrequently that you end up with these giant text walls. Post more PLEASE

[mb53]

mb53's scumlist in #214 is looking real good.

TOWN:
PinkyandtheBrain
danakillsu

Wut.

ESPEONAGE IS NOT HANGING.

Vote: Pine/Espeonage

lol'd. But understandable.

As said, I had more of a town read on thil early on, so I am more inclined to believe the cop claim. And besides, lynching person who has a guilty on them > lynching the person providing the guilty.

We have an equal chance of lynching scum if we do it in the reverse order and if he lives through the end of the day he's likely to draw the NK anyways before he has a chance to reveal another investigation result.

Thil being nightkilled if pine is scum is not guaranteed. Which means:

Lynch claimed cop:
If scum: Yay we killed scum
If town: Oshit, we just killed the cop (then lynch scum the next day)

Lynch claimed VT:
If scum: Yay will killed scum,

and

got a confirmed cop (don't you dare say "Oh, he will get the NK anyway." That is not guaranteed.)
If town: Oh no, town died. (then lynch scum the next day)

Maybe I'm an idiot, but lynching pine first seems much more logical.

[Ythan]

Again I find completely ignoring every other facet of the claimed cop situation to be the acme of scumminess.

[mb53]

I believe his cop claim, even if you don't

[Ythan]

And yet you address nothing. Saying you believe is highly questionable in the face of perfectly good evidence to the contrary that you don't even attempt to deal with.

[Kdub]

I think it's pretty well established by the mountain of shit posting today that pine is not to be hammered without consent. If you were to vote him for motivational reasons a quick hammer would likely be looked at with murderous hearts. This sort of moots away any caution you held in reserve, doesn't it?

I think you underestimate the likelihood of accidental hammers (whether they are accidental hammers from town not paying attention or "accidental" hammers from scum). What good reason is there to put him at L-1 when I've already made my opinion on him clear and other people have said they want to post stuff?

Regarding thil vs. Pine, I agree that thil's claim looks sketchy given that he indicated no suspicion of Espeonage/Pine today. However, I see no good reason for scum-thil to come out with a fake guilty result against Pine suddenly like this. The wagon on himself wasn't obviously going to lynch, so why give himself up when his lynch was not inevitable? Also, given Pine's VT claim, I'd rather play it safe and not lynch the claimed cop. Yes, he may be targeted by scum tonight if he actually is the cop, but we've almost certainly got a protective role in a game this size. Having a confirmed cop is extremely valuable, and I'd risk lynching a claimed VT (especially one who has been under suspicion for a while) over him almost regardless of reads at this point in the game.

TOWN:
danakillsu

wat

[Bunnylover]

Bah, sorry, I got a promotion at my job, so I'm working a lot more hours.
Cop v.s. VT claim.
I WONDER WHO WE SHOULD LYNCH FIRST.
Although I believe Mb53 is scum, what he said is what I've been thinking. We either lose a VT or lynch scum when lynching Pine. We lynch Thil, we either lose our cop or lynch scum. The choice is obvious.
I find Hohum vote of pine, then immediate unvote of pine to vote Thil scummy. You give up your read to follow the cop, then immeditatly give up following the cop with a claim of a VT to follow your read instead. I do not believe that Pine posting that he is a VT without a name claim made you enlighten that he was town and Thil was lying.
Ghostwriter v.s. Hohum 2 pages were stupid and pointless, wasting space.
Psuedo vote holder on Pine because I'm not sure what he is at and I think someone wanted to post.

@Hohum: Two heads of a hydra. Should they not discuss their reads before posting then getting into an arguement in-thread which some people will detest?

[Ythan]

Dub, asking why he would do it as scum doesn't help him when he had no reason to do it as town either.

[Ythan]

Thil needing to be lynched is not, in anyone's opinion as far as I can tell, because Pine is thought to be town. It's because thil is scum. Glaringly obvious scum. The kind of scum you would have to be some sort of babbling invalid to miss.

[RedCoyote]

My character name is Merlon. I guess he is from the mario games. I can investigate once per night.

At the time the espeo/pine wagon was gaining steam, and I didn't think I would have to make a push to try and lynch him, but once the group of people replaced out it went downhill from there. I couldn't have just outright said Pine was lying then and there else I would definitely would have been figured out, but now with his lynch dying off and MINE picking up, I don't think I could afford to do much else.

Oh, from Paper Mario?

Interesting. And Merlon is a clear cut good guy, so I don't think there is any wiggle room there. I like this claim, actually. Interesting choice for an investigator, but definitely a valid one.

The only thing that makes me suspicious is this:

Pine, it would be no surprise to me if there were more than one cop with the amount of people that signed up for this, so unless the mod wanted to put in every obscure role, he may have doubled roles, but that's just what I think. There very well could be another cop, or more than one doctor/vig/whatever. All I know is that my role PM says town cop...

Hohum, a VT's tools are his intellect, and his vote, both powerful in the right hands.

Holy shit this is a scummy post.

This is pretty much covering his ass for a counterclaim.

Ythan is exactly right. This strikes me as totally off.

Still, Pine is the rational choice today. A guilty investigation in this large of a game is nothing to sneeze at. We have the luxury of being a little less skeptical of our claimed PRs right now.

Unvote

;

vote: Pine

I didn't count the votes prior to this, so, you know, if this is the hammer, deal with it.

[Kdub]

If thil is scum, his motivation for faking the claim seems to be "it looks like I'm going to be lynched so I'll take down a townie with me". That's fine, except it certainly wasn't obvious that thil was going to be today's lynch.

If thil is town, his motivation is "lynch scum before the wagon derails". Why isn't that likely?

Preview edit: ...and that (RC's vote) is exactly what I was talking about, hohum.

[mb53]

Like it's been said, if I'm lying go ahead and lynch me, what do you have to lose?

Oh yes ythan, thil is totally trying to defend himself if it turns out pine is town. If you were referring to where he said he might be insane, he

was asked if his sanity was confirmed

.

As to why he wasn't voting espeo, I believe he said he thought he would get lynched without his help.

I believe you are tunneling Ythan.

Also, I like how you act exaggerate 1 result on day 3 is super small:

he claims cop with ONE result on day three

[Pine]

Jesus, hammer without warning or a chance to finish final reads?

Whatever. Kill thil for me please. Go town.

[RedCoyote]

By no means would that have been an "accidental hammer". I'm fully prepared to see Pine flip. I've seen enough today.

If you aren't, Kdub, then you were right to remove your vote.

[Ythan]

Coyote did you really just use a character's characterization in their game of origin as evidence that they are probably town-aligned in this game? Have you played a themed game before?

[jmj3000]

Official Vote Count

Players needed to lynch: 9

danakillsu

- 1 - Dekes - (L-8)

hohum

- 1 - thil13 - (L-8)

mb53

- 1 - Bunnylover - (L-8)

pine

- 8 - esuriospiritus, danakillsu, lewarcher82, crazypianist1116, thil13, mb53, The Master Hand, RedCoyote - (L-1)

thil13

- 6 - chkflip, Pinky and the Brain, Pine, hohum, Ythan, - (L-3)

Players not voting: Kdub

Deadline is May 22nd at 9 PM EDT.

(expired on 2011-05-22 21:00:00)

Searching for a replacement for chkflip now.

Whee countdown code. Anyways, let me know if there are errors.

[Ythan]

Also, I like how you act exaggerate 1 result on day 3 is super small:

he claims cop with ONE result on day three

He claimed cop who investigated once in two nights and just happens to have targeted and gotten a guilty on the only guy who might be lynched other than him. Pretty sure I laid that out clearly enough before but I guess not.

[Ythan]

And by the way, the tunneling accusation is a bit pathetic. If you're going to address half of what I say and misunderstand half of that, find a useful criticism rather than throwing out buzzwords you can't even properly fit to the situation at hand.

[Dekes]

That wasn't the hammer if I counted correctly (pedit: well, that works, too). The last post didn't read that much like a townie after the hammer, too :/...Pine, what are your final reads?

And Ythan seems to be a little too desperate to get thil lynched in the last couple of pages considering the gain/loss of a Pine vs. a thil lynch.

Dekes seems like the perfect middle-of-the-road player at this point. (p.s. Have I ever seen you as town?)

I started skimming here after I realized you are still scum. We played Blackest Night together as town until the last day. I'm more than sure you still remember this game. And on top of that it's the only game we played together.

The post of yours might be worth looking into again after your flip.

[Dekes]

EBWOP:

Mod, can you fix the quote tag please.

[Ythan]

I want thil lynched because thil is obv scum. If you attempt to spin that as me being desperate for a lynch then expect raised eyebrows. You know the basic outline and objective of this game, right?

[Ythan]

That is to say, spend more time poking holes in my thil case and less time whining about the fact that I want him lynched.

[Dekes]

It's me saying that I do acknowledge the general concern of lynching Pine first and you apparently don't.

Yes, all we've done so far was lynching an obvious VI, lynching a known VI and now following a cop claim that is awfully convenient for thil.
But on the other hand, we haven't lost that much either.

What happened to your Espeo/Pine scum read? Also, what would a dead scum thil tell you about Pine?

[Ythan]

I'm not hopping back and forth as things shift but I am willing to contribute to either a Pine or a thil lynch.

Nothing happened to my read. Pine is just not as good a lynch as thil. But it looks like I'm settling for today.

vote Pine

[Dekes]

Jmj, you still around? I am kind of curious now.

I am here