Nintendo Mafia (Game Over)

[lewarcher82]

PS: A cursory glance at chkflip's and thil's isos tells me Ythan might actually be right. Chkflip replaced out right about the time Thil claimed. If Thil was doing some sort of bussing gambit in order to become confirmed town, that puts other scum in the awkward position of having to decide which scum needs to get bussed more. And Thil's whole claim-but-here's-some-anti-CC-insurance thing doesn't sit well with me.

And if thil

is

scum, the gambit means he is very likely scum power. Om nom nom.

Also, this is setup-guessing, but if Thil was actually town I refuse to believe that someone in the bloc wouldn't have been shot at. Scum would likely assume that any town doc in the setup would protect Thil, meaning us obvtownies are suddenly left bare.

When I re-read in earnest I am going to take a look at other people who reacted awkwardly to the thil/pine thing.

I didn't look at it this way. This is worth considering. Still, letting the bloc live could also be basic wifom (let alone this is the first time we see full night-kill power, so scum may have tried to hit the bloc earlier in game). Or there may have been a good reason to kill someone else. I will re-read the later ISO of the two fresh corpses who turned out to be town and post my conclusions.

[danakillsu]

Hmm. After reviewing the evidence, I tend to agree that thil's actions read more like inept scum than unfortunate town. I'll

vote: thil

and see what happens. The wagon should at least get us some information. So I guess we have a vig, a SK, and mafia shooting at the same time, then?

[esuriospiritus]

There were no deaths N1 and 1 N2. I don't think there's an SK.

The similar sounding death-flavour of RC and hohum makes me think these kills were both from the same person somehow.

[Kdub]

@kdub: will you now explain in detail why you thought pine was town?

Since Pine and hohum are both dead, yes I will.

Check out these posts:

This Espeonage wagon has grown far too quickly. I looked into him over the night phase, and i'm pretty sure he's town.

When you turn out to be wrong about Espeonage are you going to lynch me too?

The only thing you're trying to do here is rush a mislynch and what's worse is you're browbeating and throwing lots of useless words into a post to make it seem as if you actually have a valid point.

To me, this looked like Xtoxm/hohum was breadcrumbing a cop investigation on Espeonage/Pine. Post 750 was the most obvious, and hohum replaced in and immediately declared Espeonage to be a mislynch, so that reinforced it in my mind. It turns out I was wrong, which I realized in this exchange:

The procedure here is simple guys.

Cop claim: lynch the claimed investigation result.

If thil turns out to be lying lynch scum.

We can sacrifice Pine in order to lynch scum. The idea when he replaced in was that he couldn't save his player slot anyways.

unvote, vote pine

OK, now I'm a bit confused. hohum, the fact that you initially voted Pine and wanted to lynch him means you aren't sure he's town, right? If so, I don't think a town read should trump a guilty result.

I guess I misinterpreted something you said earlier.

I'm fine with lynching Pine first, in that case. I'll vote when we've heard from everyone and we agree to proceed.

So yeah, that's what was going on with me thinking Pine was town for a bit yesterday.


I don't think thil is scum. The timing and nature of the cop claim just don't make sense for scum bussing their buddy.

chkflip was off my radar yesterday, so I'll reread him today.

VOTE: danakillsu
This is a good place to vote for now. Everything I said about dana yesterday still stands.

[Pinky and the Brain]

Ythan, anything I have to say would be taken as scummy to you.


Got roleblocked last night.

Oh dear, this is an awful post.

Is Ythan town for attacking an un-CC'd cop (in you)? Or is it scummy of him?

You claimed cop. You claimed a guilty on Pine. Pine flipped scum.

Yet when you're then attacked the next day, your answer is "anything I have to say would be taken as scummy to you"?

That's not the attitude of a cop.

VOTE: thil

ok, let us start from here:

vote: ythan

why would a scum player:
1) claim cop in a themed closed setup, risking a cc;
2) invent an absurd story about him investigating only one night out of two.

I would certainly not rule out the latter. And for the former, he was looking likely to get lynched. As scum, it's not unreasonable to try and draw out a CC as you go down.

Hmm. After reviewing the evidence, I tend to agree that thil's actions read more like inept scum than unfortunate town. I'll

vote: thil

and see what happens. The wagon should at least get us some information. So I guess we have a vig, a SK, and mafia shooting at the same time, then?

I wouldn't be too opposed to a dana lynch either, though. Whilst I'd prefer thil, the above post is reading strongly to me as scum poking the waters on getting a thil lynch.

[Bunnylover]

Don't like the Thil wagon.
Thil caught one scum so it can't be he's the cop, its must be that hes scum bussing his partner.
I would believe that if we had a flip of a cop or a counter claim from the real cop.
Until then, I'm going to treat Thil as the cop.

@Dana: What information will it give us?

[Ythan]

Thil caught one scum so it can't be he's the cop, its must be that hes scum bussing his partner.

Pretty sure I've said this already. Ignoring everything else so you can post something like this is right on the border of stupid and scummy.

[lewarcher82]

Hmm. After reviewing the evidence, I tend to agree that thil's actions read more like inept scum than unfortunate town. I'll

vote: thil

and see what happens. The wagon should at least get us some information. So I guess we have a vig, a SK, and mafia shooting at the same time, then?

you know what would make you look a little less scummy? If you quit joining wagons without explaning why. What evidence did you review? If you had the time for reviewing evidence, how about making a post longer than 3 lines, once in a while?

[GhostWriter]

Thil caught one scum so it can't be he's the cop, its must be that hes scum bussing his partner.

Pretty sure I've said this already. Ignoring everything else so you can post something like this is right on the border of stupid and scummy.

Wait, what?

[The Master Hand]

Ythan, Danakillsu, Pinky and the Brain: If you cannot see the value of someone claiming cop with no counterclaim and catching scum, see it now. The moment thil gets an incorrect read, he's lynchable. How can you guys turn against someone who caught scum?

I need to discuss with andrius about our final vote, but

FOS: Ythil

. The results of D3 suggest that he's scum, and the fact that he's continuing to push the issue today is terribad.
-

Toast

[The Master Hand]

Ythan, Danakillsu, Pinky and the Brain: If you cannot see the value of someone claiming cop with no counterclaim and catching scum, see it now. The moment thil gets an incorrect read, he's lynchable. How can you guys turn against someone who caught scum?

I need to discuss with andrius about our final vote, but

FOS: Ythil

. The results of D3 suggest that he's scum, and the fact that he's continuing to push the issue today is terribad.
-

Toast

I just realize I failed ind combined names. thats supposed to be

FOS:Ythan

[The Master Hand]

People in the so-called bloc are not getting killed and it is making me nervous. I need to reread.

Hint: Dekes is scum, that's why.

Vote: Ythan

Toast, I can't remember the last time I used a "FoS". We're voting and getting shit done.

[The Master Hand]

@ lewarcher: The same world where a scum dayvigged his partner D1.

-BAKERMAN

[Bunnylover]

Thil caught one scum so it can't be he's the cop, its must be that hes scum bussing his partner.

Pretty sure I've said this already. Ignoring everything else so you can post something like this is right on the border of stupid and scummy.

Ythan then why did you not bring up this whole "bussing cop claim" yesterday?
Yesterday it was that Thil was scum trying to take down a townie.
Now its Thil is still scum who bussed yesterday.
Your trying to get Thil lynch by bringing every possible situation out in the open. I don't see the logic in lynching Thil who is uncounterclaimed and has lynched one scum. I just don't.
But I have a question for you.
If we assume that Thil is scum and lynched him yesterday, as you had wanted, then Pine would still be alive. Would you be pushing Pine lynch as you are pushing Thil lynch?

[Ythan]

Ythan, Danakillsu, Pinky and the Brain: If you cannot see the value of someone claiming cop with no counterclaim and catching scum, see it now. The moment thil gets an incorrect read, he's lynchable. How can you guys turn against someone who caught scum?

I need to discuss with andrius about our final vote, but

FOS: Ythil

. The results of D3 suggest that he's scum, and the fact that he's continuing to push the issue today is terribad.
-

Toast

Because there is every reason to believe he didn't catch scum. Keep up, we've been talking about it.

[Ythan]

Ythan then why did you not bring up this whole "bussing cop claim" yesterday?

Because Pine hadn't flipped. Dumb question.

Yesterday it was that Thil was scum trying to take down a townie.

I never said that actually, I don't know where you could possibly be getting the idea I thought the player I hammered was town. Review my iso and give me something.

Now its Thil is still scum who bussed yesterday.

Now that the player he got killed has been revealed as scum, yeah that's pretty obvious.

Your trying to get Thil lynch by bringing every possible situation out in the open. I don't see the logic in lynching Thil who is uncounterclaimed and has lynched one scum. I just don't.

That's because you're doing a piss poor job of reading anything beyond "i'm the cop".

But I have a question for you.
If we assume that Thil is scum and lynched him yesterday, as you had wanted, then Pine would still be alive. Would you be pushing Pine lynch as you are pushing Thil lynch?

If thil was lynched and flipped scum after fakeclaiming a guilty on Pine I would have doubts.

[thil13]

All you suspicion would be warranted, if I were not actually the cop. It's obvious that if I couldn't be killed by scum this night, they would at least role block me.

How are you surprised that I wouldn't get a result this night?

[Ythan]

Because you're not a cop. You're trying to use the fact that you don't have a result

prove that you somehow

are the cop.

[thil13]

I can't without either being killed/lynched or directly posting my role PM, which would get me mod-killed :P

HOW do you expect me to do that in a pro-town way?

[Ythan]

I expect you to understand the consequences of playing a deplorably scummy game.

[thil13]

I've been playing the way I always have. I just post what I'm thinking. I would also say you're tunneling

[Ythan]

If you can't address a single point in this game with more than "it's just what I was thinking" then you're not only scum but lazy badscum.

[thil13]

Except I am not scum, which is the massive gaping hole in your logic.

[Ythan]

Except I am not scum, which is the massive gaping hole in your logic.

This is garbage posting.

[Ythan]

Thil's only defense in this game is "i'm town though". Enjoy rope.