A Gentleman's Game of Guile, Subterfuge, and Intrigue (Fin)

[AurorusVox]

Scum :
http://mafiascum.net/forum/viewtopic.ph ... er_sort=Go
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http://mafiascum.net/forum/viewtopic.ph ... er_sort=Go
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Town, 100% mislynch rate :
http://mafiascum.net/forum/viewtopic.ph ... er_sort=Go
http://mafiascum.net/forum/viewtopic.ph ... er_sort=Go ***

Town, 66% mislynch rate :
http://mafiascum.net/forum/viewtopic.ph ... er_sort=Go

Incidentally, one of those previous parlour games that you've referenced as me belonging to a gentleman's class (I've asterixed it) is in fact a game in which I paraded as a scandalous rogue. I find it most interesting that the following gentleman's games didn't make it onto your list, considering that there are some glorious examples of verboseness contained within them:

http://www.mafiascum.net/forum/viewtopi ... er_sort=Go
http://www.mafiascum.net/forum/viewtopi ... er_sort=Go
http://www.mafiascum.net/forum/viewtopi ... er_sort=Go
http://www.mafiascum.net/forum/viewtopi ... er_sort=Go

Perhaps skewing the data in your favour, hmm?

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That he was on Twistedspoon's can then also be explained by his below-par town play, not only by him being scum.

What does this mean? I am positively baffled, as I wasn't around yesterday to cast a ballot for TS's immediate execution or otherwise.

From his meta, he looks quite smart, so I have trouble making sense of these walls of nonsense, except as an overconfident scum. Judging from his posts when he wins as scum, he looks quite smug about his abilities as scum (with reason, it seems), so I can picture him jumping on my wagon and never letting go, confident in his ability to grind me with his walls of text despite his arguments wearing thin.

After I had discovered Fate to be most ungentlemanly in "Advance Wars Mafia 2.0", I pursued it with dogged determination despite the fact that I lacked support from the rest of the gentleman's gathering; and thus, if anything, tunnelling can be a slight gentlemantell for me. I don't think you'll find me to have tunnelled excessively on any one person as a rogue, unless they were my scumbuddy in the case of Umbrage in "High Seas". And anyway, my communiques may be balderdash to you, but they make perfect sense to me.

[lord_hur]

Incidentally, one of those previous parlour games that you've referenced as me belonging to a gentleman's class (I've asterixed it) is in fact a game in which I paraded as a scandalous rogue. I find it most interesting that the following gentleman's games didn't make it onto your list, considering that there are some glorious examples of verboseness contained within them:

Damn it, you have a wiki page! All this time lost skimming the 108 pages of your total user posts...

Newbie 961 had no wall of text, and DEFON isn't standard scum vs town. I corrected the other things.

Scum :
http://mafiascum.net/forum/viewtopic.ph ... er_sort=Go
http://mafiascum.net/forum/viewtopic.ph ... er_sort=Go
http://mafiascum.net/forum/viewtopic.ph ... er_sort=Go
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http://mafiascum.net/forum/viewtopic.ph ... er_sort=Go

Town, 100% mislynch rate :
http://mafiascum.net/forum/viewtopic.ph ... er_sort=Go
http://mafiascum.net/forum/viewtopic.ph ... er_sort=Go
http://mafiascum.net/forum/viewtopic.ph ... er_sort=Go

Town, 66% mislynch rate :
http://mafiascum.net/forum/viewtopic.ph ... er_sort=Go

Pretty much unchanged, and there is certainly no "skewing" to speak of.

It's still uncanny how you're great as scum, but can't find scum if your life depended on it. I mean, even in this one game you did vote for scum, it was because you were directed to do so by someone else who caught scum and told everyone, in 1 inch thick letters, that he would turn on anyone not voting for the scum he caught. There is one another game in which you voted for scum (newbie 961), but the guy actually suicided to fulfill his objective.

Well, this doesn't help me determine if you're scum, since you nearly always, whatever your faction, vote for town.

That he was on Twistedspoon's can then also be explained by his below-par town play, not only by him being scum.

What does this mean? I am positively baffled, as I wasn't around yesterday to cast a ballot for TS's immediate execution or otherwise.

Oh yes, sorry, it was your predecessor. One less thing in your favor, then.

By the way, who's guilty in your opinion, besides myself?

[DemonHybrid]

Mod: Replace me

. Sorry if you're angry because of this; I just can't keep up with this game any longer.

[AurorusVox]

DEFCON 1.0 presented rogues against knaves...people just happened to be in possession of nuclear weaponry, is all. But pray tell, why include Stars Aligned if you only intend to use confrontations with standard mechanics? I ask this because in SAIII, any gentleman could give into his primal urges andbecome a serial killer.

As for my record, yes, I am often erratic and vote for multiple people, but I'm also often on the right track;

Spoiler: A. Vox's True Knave-Voting History

Newbie 929: I was the only one on the case of one of the rogues (I Am Innocent), though I WIFOM'd my way out of following it through.
Newbie 940: I was brutally killed off N1, and indeed, I didn't vote for either of the two rogues during D1, so that is indeed a 100% mislynch.
Newbie 961: Incidentally, I believe I did have a couple of minor walls in this session. I also caught a knave (Me=Weird) and voted him appropriately in this one twice.
My Name Is Earl: I voted for the rapscallion (Beefster) a couple of times during the course of this game.
DEFCON 1.0: I voted for the serial killer (Doombunny9) and then was murdered that very night.
TxtMafia: I voted for Tasky, who turned out to be a most ignoble vagabond, but WIFOM'd my way out of it once again.
Cults vs Masons: I voted for the Cult Leader (Exe) D1, and then was heinously killed off N1.
Advance Wars 2.0: I caught and voted for Fate without town support, also voted for Implosion, and comically enough RVS'd Sociopath (that's all three knaves)
SAIII: I voted for MoI (who was unfathomably taking the murderer's route) twice, as well as the cultists BabySpice (twice) and SpyreX.

I agree that I vote for gentlemen more often than rapscallions, but that's because I like my vote being active - unless I find someone who I'm sure is scum, in which case I'll pursue it for as long as I find it pertinent to do so. I have WIFOM'd my way out of scum lynches before, and I aim not to repeat that mistake again!

[AurorusVox]

As for who I find suspicious besides yourself, I have had my eye on Toasty and inhim since my re-read, but their presence has been...shall we say...less than optimum for the developing of those reads. I have noticed a number of people slipping onto your wagon - should you be town, then you can rest assured that my eye will be cast in their direction with more diligence.

[Wraith]

It is the host's sacred duty to uphold the solidarity of his gathering. Despite setbacks, this duty shall be upheld.

[ToastyToast]

Very strange. You're voting me, and yet you're pointing out mistakes to help me? This is not consistant at all...

No, I'm pointing out a big part of my vote--you aren't being helpful, just standoffish.

1. I find Caboose's intervention very logical and on point (even about Hoppster, town vs town fight was my first reaction). Please tell me an example or two of his sayings that you find worthy of a vote.
2. Explain "defensive attitude", please. Especially with regards to the wall of death I have been subjected to.

1)Caboose didn't do anything worthy of a town read. Starts with a vote on Hoppster (note that I think u guys are scum together. Ever since AV came in your case/thoughts on Hoppster have completely disappeared. So has hoppster)
odd stance on vezok: he's useless but I don't understand the votes on him
called TS null-town, avoiding the issue because he knew that TS was, in fact, town.

2. 432, 472, 479(the deeply insulting part), 490(BS logic),499

Does this sufficiently answer your questions?

something else I noticed when finding exaples: buddying with inHim, my other scum read. 453

[Hoppster]

I am quite concerned by the lack of logic behind all reasons used to lynch Twistedspoon

Come again?

Lord_Hur's post about Hoppster rubs me a little the wrong way, but Hoppsters reasons for voting him are equally as weak. Could be some buss action goin' on.

Why should I vote you if I think your scum with him? Not sure what the point of this post is.

inHim-Hoppster-lord_hur is the scum team

Unvote:Vote:lord_hur

. Hoppster has put an effort in making his D1 actions understandable from a town perspective, lord_hur has not given much thought to caboose. In other words, the two are on my scum-list still, but Hoppster has gone farther up. In order its now lord_hur-Hoppster-inHimshallibe

Starts with a vote on Hoppster (note that I think u guys are scum together. Ever since AV came in your case/thoughts on Hoppster have completely disappeared. So has hoppster)

Why do you keep harking on about this supposed scum-team/pairing of myself and lord_hur (and inHim at times)?

If one of the three of us flips town, would this change your opinion on the other two?

What about if 2/3 flip town, what would you think of the third one?

[ToastyToast]

@Hoppster: You and lord_hur are scummy independent of each other, I would have to relook at inHim. But of course I would have to look at things again, in all situations, as they are all contrasting with my belief that all 3 of you are scum. This is a rare thing to happen indeed, but you are my lynch pool. When I look between the 3 of you, I see light buddying, but its possible that I only see it because its what I believe.

[lord_hur]

1)Caboose didn't do anything worthy of a town read. Starts with a vote on Hoppster (note that I think u guys are scum together. Ever since AV came in your case/thoughts on Hoppster have completely disappeared. So has hoppster)
odd stance on vezok: he's useless but I don't understand the votes on him
called TS null-town, avoiding the issue because he knew that TS was, in fact, town.

1. This is not an argument, so I can't argue.
2. vezokpiraka is a VI. There is no point in voting a VI for being a VI.
3. As difficult for you as it may be to contemplate, town actually CAN have good reads.

2. 432, 472, 479(the deeply insulting part), 490(BS logic),499

Does this sufficiently answer your questions?

No. How I see it, only 1 of these instances qualifies, and frustration caused it.

something else I noticed when finding exaples: buddying with inHim, my other scum read. 453

Reread it. I was asking him to take a stance, as he rarely did day 1.

[vezokpiraka]

Hmmm....

Why is nothing happening?

unvote
vote Lord_hur

I'm tired of your back and forth with AV.

[AurorusVox]

That ballot puts lord_hur at the brink of a hanging. If any gentleman has an intention of hastening his demise, then he should so declare it so that our guest here can present us with documents of identity.

This gathering needs more Cookies Brought to us. I have not had a cookie for almost five days!

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Feysal, Imaginality, and inOneshallibe; yesterday you all seemed most suspicious of Mr. K r0b; what is your current opinion on his business partner, ToastyToast?

[inHimshallibe]

As with any replacement, Sir Toast has brought an air or rejuvenation and life back to the role played by Sir K. R0b, which is a positive, but I am not sure the words he presents to us are also positive. I do not agree with his trio of terror in the least, so that causes trepidation. In all honesty, I am in dire need to review my notes on this gathering, which I will complete posthaste, and I ask I get to speak before anyone is executed.

[imaginality]

Is lord hur really one vote from excommunication?

Unvote

since a lynch this soon would be counterproductive to our efforts.

[AurorusVox]

I feel the best way to increase the illumination is to build on the pressure being applied, and to that end,

Vote: lord hur

to add weight to this wagon.

Do you currently find lord_hur to be of a scandalous nature, or is discovering your feelings as regards his allegiance that the aim of your ballot?

Imaginality; yesterday you all seemed most suspicious of Mr. K r0b; what is your current opinion on his business partner, ToastyToast?

[lord_hur]

AurorusVox asking for a claim, why am I not surprised?

imaginality ignored my question as well. I guess he's not reading the game at all. So I metaed him and the only time he did this (hammer without any reason day 1), he was scum, and actually won the game. It is one of the only two occasions he was scum, and in the other, he was on the mislynch wagon from the beginning.

http://www.mafiascum.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=12707

This is 100% of the time he was in position to do this as scum (also, he won the game), and he never did it in his 15+ games as town.

UNVOTE:
VOTE: imaginality

It is my best lead for now, though quite tied with AurorusVox.

Oh yes, about that crappy defensiveness accusation, meta me. I was like this, if not worse, in my last game (and also in my older games as town, but they are on the old forum).

[AurorusVox]

AurorusVox asking for a claim, why am I not surprised?

Please try harder to twist the words that I spake.

I said that should anyone desire to exacerbate your situation (i.e. hammer you) then they should declare it so that we have time for a revelation of identification document (claim) before sending you to the gallows. I in no way asked outright for your documents; I only asked for them

in the event of someone wanting to finish you off

.

Mudslinging like this is simply more evidence against you, sir.

[Wraith]

jilynne1991

replaces DemonHybrid.

I shall count the ballots soon.

[Wraith]

Votecount 2.2

lord_hur

(4)

:

Sir Hoppster, Aurorus Vox, PhD, ToastyToast,

imaginality

, vezokpiraka

Sir Hoppster

(0)

:

ToastyToast

,

lord_hur

,

vezokpiraka

vezokpiraka

(0)

:

inHimshallibe

imaginality

(1)

:

lord_hur

Not Voting

(5)

:

Reya Cookiebringer, Feysal, jilynne1991, inHimshallibe, imaginality

With 10 alive it takes

6

to lynch the knave.

Night falls on

June 7, 2011

[inHimshallibe]

Salutations, Sir Jilynne.

vote: Sir Cookiebringer

As a dear friend of mine once said, post or perish. I dislike the current votes on Lord Hur, and am working on a summation as I speak now.

[Feysal]

Can you stop with the walls?

Nobody is reading them except you two.

I am reading them, since the obsessive facet of my personality compels me to, but I'm not gaining much from them. It looks to me that Vox and Hur are arguing past each other, and they are both immovable in their stances. This makes the walls tedious to read, and I do not see much chance for further enlightenment arising from them.

Surprisingly, it seems to me that Lord Hur emerges from this confrontation mostly unblemished. I have been at the receiving end of a scum attack where I was overwhelmed by large wall posts, and though I did well in my defense, my time allotted to hunting villains was so diminished that it convinced others to vote for my death. In this case, it seemed townish of Lord Hur to look first at imaginality, particularly how he found him not worthy of voting. This would not seem like a villain under pressure, trying to dodge pressure. It was his analysis of the Twistedspoon wagon that came off as very townish though. Hunting for villains is exactly what a town player should do under attack.

Feysal, Imaginality, and inOneshallibe; yesterday you all seemed most suspicious of Mr. K r0b; what is your current opinion on his business partner, ToastyToast?

Ambivalent. I have not taken the time to look at him in depth, and as I'll be leaving for the cinema in a few minutes, I won't do so now.

If indeed Lord Hur is at the brink of death, I should make my research a priority later tonight, as time is clearly running short.

[inHimshallibe]

I have reviewed the minutes onceover and have a prioritized list for eviction and execution.

Highest priority falls on Sir Cookiebringer. Sir Apokalyptika did not instill any Gentlemanly confidence within myself, and discussing policy lynches in nearly half of his posts loses even more faith on my part. Sir Cookiebringer's content has been... less than stellar.

Unfortunately, next on my list is Sir Jilynne. Sir D. Hybrid did not fully engage with us, and I did at one point express concern that he was misrepresenting Sir Longing's stance on the policy votes.

Yes, my two highest priorities are low-participation members of our club, though I think the participation one would find from these members is not very Gentlemanly at all.

Next, the foggy area of my list. I barely and only vaguely recall any of the input from Sirs Feysal and Imaginality, though at one point I do remember feeling the good vibes from both of these esteemed members. Sirs Toast and V. Piraka I remember much more vividly, which is a favorable point. However, I do not hold a true converse to that of my earlier suspicions; I find lurking detestable, but I do not reward mere participation with a gold star. I don't agree with a single of Sir Toast's conclusions, and Sir V. Piraka seems to have settled into familiar patterns. Finally, I have developed a nebulous read of Lord Hur. Sir Boose shook my confidences, but Lord Hur's entrance to the game seemed rather stunning. Particularly, I find his dogged determinism a Gentleman trait and not that of Villainous desperation. When I have more time I would like to break down the wagon against Lord Hur.

Lastly, I put my confidence in Sir Hoppster and AurorusVox, PhD. Toward the middle of the First Day, I remember feeling rather inspired by Sir K. Paca, and Sir Hoppster gave off Chunnel Syndrome rather radiantly. Vox, PhD's postings are indeed rather .

These are more than whims, but I have not time to develop this post further. I wish to get into real meat with my foggy area as this Second Day progresses. I actually lean Gentleman for all of that group, I think, but numbers dictate that I am surely wrong.

[jilynne1991]

Hello everyone, I'll post again whenever I finish reading the last 22 pages, and then I'll try to answer any questions you guys have and determine who I think are scum.

[jilynne1991]

Sir Cookiebringer and Lord Hur both seem quite suspicious to me, but I'll plan on analyzing and rereading some of their posts first, before voting. Out of everyone, I'd say the following people seem to be leaning town:
inHimshallibe ++++ (he seems to be writing very good content)
Feysal ++
Sir Hoppster ++
If I make any mistakes, I'm not trying to use the newb excuse, but I just recently joined, and although I've read through 20 or so games, I haven't completed any, yet.

[lord_hur]

Hello jilynne1991.

Your predecessor was very hard to assess because of his low participation, to the point that he's a blank slate for me.

So I'm looking forward to your analysis, whatever it will be on.