A Gentleman's Game of Guile, Subterfuge, and Intrigue (Fin)

[AurorusVox]

There are certain gentlemen whom I want to hear more from:
-Imaginality
-jilynne1991
-Cookiebringer

I am taking a temporary business trip to my good aunt's for the next few days;
As such I am going to be "Vaguely Limited (In My) Access" on the following dates 28th-30th

[jilynne1991]

Well, I'll be on at least 3/4x a day, so I'll always be active. At the moment, everyone else has already said what I want to be said, but Lord Hur's inconsistency and he tries to....frame(?) (is that the right word?) other people is something I dislike. Also, there have been times, where he didn't directly answer questions, and that's making me more suspicious. AurorusVox...I've already said everything I've wanted to say...sooooo, any questions?

[lord_hur]

Well, it is customary to provide links, or quotes when you accuse someone of something. So he can, you know, defend himself...

Oh yes also, since you're new, I'll give you this advice : always try to determine the intent behind the fact. Who is more likely to do this, scum or town? What would scum gain in pulling this stunt?

Mistakes or bad play do not denote scumminess (actually, you'll find, on the contrary, that scum are usually more attentive, so do less mistakes), scummy intent does. Voting someone for bad play is how Twistedspoon got mislynched day one, and is by far, in my opinion, the leading reason for mislynches in general.

This is coming from someone who has a scum lynch rate of nearly 2/3 (I'm not bragging, just saying I think I'm now experienced enough to give some general advice like this).

[Hoppster]

To vezokpiraka: do you still believe me to be scum? If so, why?

To jilynne: what are your thoughts on AurousVox?

To lord_hur: did imaginality's TS hammer have scummy intent?

[jilynne1991]

Aurous Vox seems very helpful to the town. I don't think a scum would gain much by being so careful and helping the town *that* much. Somehow, I have a bad gut feeling, but my gut feelings usually prove to be wrong. He's leaning town for me.

[Hoppster]

Sir Cookiebringer and Lord Hur both seem quite suspicious to me, but I'll plan on analyzing and rereading some of their posts first, before voting. Out of everyone, I'd say the following people seem to be leaning town:
inHimshallibe ++++ (he seems to be writing very good content)
Feysal ++
Sir Hoppster ++
If I make any mistakes, I'm not trying to use the newb excuse, but I just recently joined, and although I've read through 20 or so games, I haven't completed any, yet.

Any paticular reason you did not include AurousVox in this post, then?

[jilynne1991]

Yes, I had a bad gut feeling, and I'm going with that. I'm only listing people, I think are definitely town. Now for a few questions to everyone: What makes a good Mafia player?, If you had to lynch 3 people, who would they be?, and also Who do you feel like is the most helpful or least scummy person?

[lord_hur]

To lord_hur: did imaginality's TS hammer have scummy intent?

I found 2 reasons for scum to do this, none for town. Meta indicates he did it as scum, never as town. So yes, I think it has scummy intent.

[lord_hur]

Sorry for the double post, but I also think imaginality unvoted so he could hammer me when anyone else puts me at L-1. It would leave them, day 4, at 2 vs 4 (double LYLO).

Maybe he even thought he could get away with it, seeing that no one criticized him except me last time.

By the way, if the second kill was by a vig, he should do it again night 2, as it actually increases our chances even if he kills town.

[jilynne1991]

Can I vote Lord_hur? Since right now, my suspicion is increasing by the moment. As long as no one hammmers, we should be fine. I'm all for lynching him at the moment tho. What do you guys think?

[ToastyToast]

Can I vote Lord_hur? Since right now, my suspicion is increasing by the moment. As long as no one hammmers, we should be fine. I'm all for lynching him at the moment tho. What do you guys think?

Do what you think you should do. Asking for what other people think makes you sound incredibly unconfident.

[ToastyToast]

Yes, I had a bad gut feeling, and I'm going with that. I'm only listing people, I think are definitely town. Now for a few questions to everyone: What makes a good Mafia player?, If you had to lynch 3 people, who would they be?, and also Who do you feel like is the most helpful or least scummy person?

1) someone who plays consistently enough to be unreadable based on meta (im assuming you mean what makes a good scum)
2)lord_hur, inhim, Hoppster
3)Feysal,AV

[jilynne1991]

The thing is...I am incredibly unconfident. Everyone playing at the moment sounds like they've played at least 10 games already. I haven't even finished one. Also, I'm scared that Lord_hur might not be scum.

Well ok, I'll go with what ToastyToast says.

Vote: lord_hur

No one hammer please! (Well for the moment being.)

In my question, I meant a scum and a townie. Could you describe why you think Hoppster and inhim are suspicious? Why does Feysal seem helpful and scummy? (Is there such a thing as asking too many questions?)

And, um, what's a meta?

[ToastyToast]

In my question, I meant a scum and a townie. Could you describe why you think Hoppster and inhim are suspicious? Why does Feysal seem helpful and scummy? (Is there such a thing as asking too many questions?)
And, um, what's a meta?

This should answer your questions.

Meta is what a player is know for (playing style). There are certainly more factors to good scumplay, but I've only been scum once, so I'm not really one to ask. I suggest u read up on mafiascum wiki for the questions like "what makes a good scum player."

[Wraith]

I have recently prodded Reya. If she does not respond within 24 hours she will be replaced.

[jilynne1991]

Thanks Toastytoast. (This is offtopic, but you're username is SO fun to type.)

[lord_hur]

Also, I'm scared that Lord_hur might not be scum.

I don't think she'd be able to fake this, given she doesn't seem to understand basic concepts like vote backing-up. She's likely town. And I'm really, really desperate about this game. Clueless town, terrible scum hunters, lurkers, VI... We got 'em all...

Speaking of meta and terrible scum hunters, that reminds me : if/when I flip, AurorusVox's suspicion of inHimshallibe and Toastytoast, added to my confirmation, will make them likely to be town, given his incredibly bad meta as scum hunter. That's why I asked him his suspicions, earlier.

[ToastyToast]

lord_hur, I believe u are at L-1. Willing to claim?

[lord_hur]

Two words come to my mind, but they distinctly lack class.

[jilynne1991]

Also, I'm scared that Lord_hur might not be scum.

I don't think she'd be able to fake this, given she doesn't seem to understand basic concepts like vote backing-up. She's likely town. And I'm really, really desperate about this game. Clueless town, terrible scum hunters, lurkers, VI... We got 'em all...

Speaking of meta and terrible scum hunters, that reminds me : if/when I flip, AurorusVox's suspicion of inHimshallibe and Toastytoast, added to my confirmation, will make them likely to be town, given his incredibly bad meta as scum hunter. That's why I asked him his suspicions, earlier.

Sorry, but I don't understand very much, could you clarify the following. (Yes, I'm clueless, but hopefully I can learn all the concepts and everything quickly.)
1) Vote backing-up is backing up your vote, right? But, like, how?
2) What's wrong with role claiming if you're town?
3) Um, VI's are vigilantes right?
4)

Speaking of meta and terrible scum hunters, that reminds me : if/when I flip, AurorusVox's suspicion of inHimshallibe and Toastytoast, added to my confirmation, will make them likely to be town, given his incredibly bad meta as scum hunter. That's why I asked him his suspicions, earlier.

Sorry, I don't get any of this. Could you clarify?

5) Also, what do you mean by being desperate about this game?

[ToastyToast]

haha Vigs are vigilantes. VI's are "village idiots"

[jilynne1991]

Oh oops, ty So wait are those scum or not?

[lord_hur]

Also, I'm scared that Lord_hur might not be scum.

I don't think she'd be able to fake this, given she doesn't seem to understand basic concepts like vote backing-up. She's likely town. And I'm really, really desperate about this game. Clueless town, terrible scum hunters, lurkers, VI... We got 'em all...

Speaking of meta and terrible scum hunters, that reminds me : if/when I flip, AurorusVox's suspicion of inHimshallibe and Toastytoast, added to my confirmation, will make them likely to be town, given his incredibly bad meta as scum hunter. That's why I asked him his suspicions, earlier.

Sorry, but I don't understand very much, could you clarify the following. (Yes, I'm clueless, but hopefully I can learn all the concepts and everything quickly.)
1) Vote backing-up is backing up your vote, right? But, like, how?
2) What's wrong with role claiming if you're town?
3) Um, VI's are vigilantes right?
4)

Speaking of meta and terrible scum hunters, that reminds me : if/when I flip, AurorusVox's suspicion of inHimshallibe and Toastytoast, added to my confirmation, will make them likely to be town, given his incredibly bad meta as scum hunter. That's why I asked him his suspicions, earlier.

Sorry, I don't get any of this. Could you clarify?

5) Also, what do you mean by being desperate about this game?

1. You say (or quote) which post(s) you find damning. By the way, if you want to do so now as training, I'll show you where you were wrong (I'll flip town soon, so you'll know that my advice was genuine).
2. It gives info to scum. For example, if I were to claim cop, I would surely die next night, while if I were to claim vanilla townie, they would kill someone else, increasing the chance a power role dies.
3. VI = village idiot, vezokpiraka in this game. VI never play logically, whatever side they are on. They are effectively scum's allies as they make town's life a nightmare since they are unreadable and unhelpful, and as such, you have to endure them until you lynch them, since they are never NKed. That's why some people think we should lynch them day one as a policy, sacrificing one town (from the NK) to get rid of them.
4. AurorusVox's meta says about 95% of the people he votes for (as scum and town) are town, since he's a terrible hunter. There is no hint that he would do better in this game. Thus, the two players (3 if you include me, but I'll be confirmed town soon) are more likely to be town than the average.
5. I think town will lose this game, because of the terrible (in my opinion) players listed (unless we're lucky and they're all scum, but I very much doubt it).

[lord_hur]

Unreadable = you can never know if they are scum or town (unless a power role investigates them).

[ToastyToast]

lord_hur, who do you think should be lynched tomorrow if you indeed flip town today?