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Post Post #575 (ISO) » Fri May 27, 2011 7:51 pm

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Oh, ty! I'll unvote you now, because I don't want someone to hammer or something, and you seem too helpful to be scum. I don't think scum would want to be helpful to the town.

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(If I mess up on anything huge, it's probably due to the fact I'm going to fall asleep soon. (It's 11:47 here, and I'm used to sleeping earlier.)

I need to find someone to do a case on or something. Do you guys mind staying on for another five, ten minutes, so I can try writing a case?
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Post Post #576 (ISO) » Fri May 27, 2011 7:52 pm

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Also, I don't really get the concept of flipping town or scum. Does that mean your orignally suspected to be town or scum, and then you change to the other side and have proof of it?
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Post Post #577 (ISO) » Fri May 27, 2011 7:55 pm

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Sorry for tripleposting! Actually I can't find anyone at the moment to do a case on, since right now I don't feel like anyone's scum. If your not too busy, could someone examples of valid scumtells or valid reasons I could vote someone from this game? Please?!?
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Post Post #578 (ISO) » Fri May 27, 2011 7:57 pm

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jilynne1991 wrote:Sorry for tripleposting! Actually I can't find anyone at the moment to do a case on, since right now I don't feel like anyone's scum. If your not too busy, could someone examples of valid scumtells or valid reasons I could vote someone from this game? Please?!?


Have you read the game? Examine the twistedspoon wagon/ reasons for people voting him.
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Post Post #579 (ISO) » Fri May 27, 2011 7:59 pm

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Ok...I'll reread that. Also, I notice how under my name it says Goon, and under alotta pplz it says Mafia Scum, what does that mean and how do you change it?
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Post Post #580 (ISO) » Fri May 27, 2011 8:01 pm

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jilynne1991 wrote:Ok...I'll reread that. Also, I notice how under my name it says Goon, and under alotta pplz it says Mafia Scum, what does that mean and how do you change it?

It changes based on amount of posts. Other people have names granted by people on the website.
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Post Post #581 (ISO) » Fri May 27, 2011 8:06 pm

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Lord-hur claimed VT.

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Post Post #582 (ISO) » Fri May 27, 2011 8:08 pm

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Why are you so eager for us to lynch him?
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Post Post #583 (ISO) » Fri May 27, 2011 8:23 pm

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I will try to be more active in the coming days, I usually only have periods in the evening and morning of freetime.
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Post Post #584 (ISO) » Fri May 27, 2011 9:20 pm

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jilynne1991 wrote:Why are you so eager for us to lynch him?

I'm not eager.

Do you have anything else to say?

Does anyone have anything else to say?

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Post Post #585 (ISO) » Fri May 27, 2011 9:36 pm

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jilynne1991 wrote:Oh, ty! I'll unvote you now, because I don't want someone to hammer or something, and you seem too helpful to be scum. I don't think scum would want to be helpful to the town.

You should not rely on this. I could (still can, from your point of view) have been scum trying to buddy up with you. But you know you can trust my advices, as if you meta me (especially the newbie games where I acted as tutor), you will find that I never, ever given any advices for any other reason than helping.

jilynne1991 wrote:Also, I don't really get the concept of flipping town or scum. Does that mean your orignally suspected to be town or scum, and then you change to the other side and have proof of it?

Flipping is dying. When you die, your alignment and role are revealed, and if the person flips town, you then know that you can trust everything he said, as good town do not lie (except sometimes, in very limited way designed to fool scum, but it's dangerous and you're not good enough for this yet).

jilynne1991 wrote:Sorry for tripleposting! Actually I can't find anyone at the moment to do a case on, since right now I don't feel like anyone's scum. If your not too busy, could someone examples of valid scumtells or valid reasons I could vote someone from this game? Please?!?

Do look at the lynch of Twistedspoon, but for what NOT to do! There was not a single good reason given for voting him.
Valid scumtells all revolve around one concept : scum motivation. Why they are doing this, why they are not doing this, what do they have to gain, etc. This is the one and only basis that got me this scum lynch ratio, which is 3 times higher than average.
But there are literally tons of scumtells that you can use (this is a very, very incomplete list) :
- weak voting : scum have to obtain mislynches, but they know that the persons are town, so they have trouble finding good reasons for voting them ;
- past motivation (meta) : what they did in the past, and might want to, consciously or not, do it again ; I used it in my last game to nail Battousai, if you want to check it out ;
- avoiding voting for scum mates (but you have to kill one scum to use it) ;
- opinion changes about people : they have no reason to form suspicions since they know who's who, but they have to appear having some ; so changing their stated opinion about someone without explanation is very suspect ;
- overdefensiveness : they are more interested in staying alive than finding scum, while town would sacrifice themselves willingly to nail one scum.

jilynne1991 wrote:Why are you so eager for us to lynch him?

Good, you're asking for his motivation. But in this particular case, I doubt you'll get any reasonable answer. He'll just say he's tired of the discussion, or something like it.
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Post Post #586 (ISO) » Fri May 27, 2011 11:01 pm

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V/LA 'til Monday, sorry.
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Post Post #587 (ISO) » Fri May 27, 2011 11:11 pm

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Snatching a taste of that most glorious technology, known as "internet," for a few brief moments before setting off on the road that will eventually take me to my familial function. I will now point out why lord_hur is indeed a rogue;

Instead of trying to turn the tables on my case through the game itself, he is now pointing to inaccurate "meta" information, which is nowhere near as reliable as the information he could garner from this game itself. He is engaged in a terrible dance wherein he will refuse to call me scum because that would ruin his precious meta case. He also ignores my rebuttal to his heinous accusations, and does not stop to consider what an "average" % of scum votes over a player's entire game history would be. I do not have that data to hand, but I can presume it would not make favour his case.

lord_hur wrote:4. AurorusVox's meta says about 95% of the people he votes for (as scum and town) are town, since he's a terrible hunter.

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Spoiler: A. Vox's True Knave-Voting History
Newbie 929: I was the only one on the case of one of the rogues (I Am Innocent), though I WIFOM'd my way out of following it through.
Newbie 940: I was brutally killed off N1, and indeed, I didn't vote for either of the two rogues during D1, so that is indeed a 100% mislynch.
Newbie 961: Incidentally, I believe I did have a couple of minor walls in this session. I also caught a knave (Me=Weird) and voted him appropriately in this one twice.
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Post Post #588 (ISO) » Sat May 28, 2011 12:22 am

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AurorusVox wrote:Instead of trying to turn the tables on my case through the game itself, he is now pointing to inaccurate "meta" information, which is nowhere near as reliable as the information he could garner from this game itself. He is engaged in a terrible dance wherein he will refuse to call me scum because that would ruin his precious meta case. He also ignores my rebuttal to his heinous accusations, and does not stop to consider what an "average" % of scum votes over a player's entire game history would be. I do not have that data to hand, but I can presume it would not make favour his case.

I'd say I missed you, but then I'd lie. Okay, I'll answer, but just this once.

- I only count lynches that went through (both for me and you) : it's already tedious enough to count as it is ;
- You're 70% scum in my opinion, so cut that bullshit about "dancing" ; and it doesn't ruin my meta, since you vote for town both as town and scum ;
- Of course I ignored it, or I'd be knee-deep in another bullshit tornado. You asked about my claim, whatever circonvoluted way your brain found to express it.

I'm tired of your flinging crap in my general direction, but more than that, it's the inability of others to see through it that infuraties me. They just skimmed through all of it, blaming me as well as you for bringing those useless arguments on the table.

I really, really hope that you're town, actually, because then I know that, once again, you will have mislynched.
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Post Post #589 (ISO) » Sat May 28, 2011 12:41 am

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lord_hur wrote:- You're 70% scum in my opinion, so cut that bullshit about "dancing" ; and it doesn't ruin my meta, since you vote for town both as town and scum ;

Sir, if you gave this process of "meta" the due attention that it deserved, you'd find that I in fact bus my buddies rather frequently.
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Post Post #590 (ISO) » Sat May 28, 2011 12:45 am

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Moreover, your selection of data is skewed. If I am killed off N1 in a number of games as a gentleman, what's the average for scum lynches on D1? What about anti-town third parties, do they not count? If I vote for someone but the rest of town do not follow it through, and that person happens to be scum, why does that not count in my favour? If I vote for someone and then convince myself I am wrong, does that not speak favourably for my gut instinct?

No, sir. Your meta analysis has no merit for it is nowhere near objective enough.
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Post Post #591 (ISO) » Sat May 28, 2011 12:47 am

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AurorusVox wrote:If I vote for someone and then convince myself I am wrong, does that not speak favourably for my gut instinct?

^should have continued to read:

AurorusVox wrote:If I vote for someone and then convince myself I am wrong, when in fact I was correct, does that not speak favourably for my gut instinct, and indicate that it is instead only later, when I let my head dictate, that I may falter?

(thus implying that my gut is correct about you)
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Post Post #592 (ISO) » Sat May 28, 2011 3:00 am

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AurorusVox wrote:Moreover, your selection of data is skewed. If I am killed off N1 in a number of games as a gentleman, what's the average for scum lynches on D1? What about anti-town third parties, do they not count? If I vote for someone but the rest of town do not follow it through, and that person happens to be scum, why does that not count in my favour? If I vote for someone and then convince myself I am wrong, does that not speak favourably for my gut instinct?

No, sir. Your meta analysis has no merit for it is nowhere near objective enough.

I'm not going to let you drag me into a wall war again. My method is valid, and you're welcome to bring a different set of data (based on votes, not lynches) if it's so important to you. For someone who said meta is near worthless, you sure are interested in it...

Meanwhile, I'm still waiting for an argument against me that I wasn't able to refute.
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Post Post #593 (ISO) » Sat May 28, 2011 4:30 am

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vezokpiraka wrote:Lord-hur claimed VT.

Hammer away.


So you're asking us all to "Hammer away," and you claim you're not overeager? Interesting, can you give your case on him, please?
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Post Post #594 (ISO) » Sat May 28, 2011 5:53 am

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Ohai vezok.
Hoppster wrote:To vezokpiraka: do you still believe me to be scum? If so, why?


UNVOTE:


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No... those two words
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have been something along the lines of "FUCK OFF" (apologies for the language, but I feel it necessary here).

Why are you so quick to assume it was a VT claim? Why are you willing to hammer on a soft-VT claim without even waiting for a confirmation of the VT claim?
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Post Post #595 (ISO) » Sat May 28, 2011 6:07 am

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Hoppster wrote:Ohai vezok.
Hoppster wrote:To vezokpiraka: do you still believe me to be scum? If so, why?


UNVOTE:


Also:
vezokpiraka wrote:Lord-hur claimed VT.

No... those two words
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have been something along the lines of "FUCK OFF" (apologies for the language, but I feel it necessary here).

Why are you so quick to assume it was a VT claim? Why are you willing to hammer on a soft-VT claim without even waiting for a confirmation of the VT claim?

There is a strategy when playing VT that they don't claim when they have to be hammerred. If he was a PR he would've claimed.

I still think you're scummy.
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Post Post #596 (ISO) » Sat May 28, 2011 8:11 am

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Post Post #597 (ISO) » Sat May 28, 2011 8:22 am

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vezokpiraka wrote:I still think you're scummy.

For what reason(s)?
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Post Post #598 (ISO) » Sat May 28, 2011 9:43 am

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@Hoppster : Why are you unvoting?
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So that there are no hammers while I follow this line of questioning.

vezok dodged the question while calling for a hammer, and I didn't want a hammer enabling him to dodge it. And now I want to finish this line of questioning.
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