League of Legends (Old)

[Knight of Cydonia]

Favourite moment so far: 2000+ ELO players in a major qualifier facechecking brush with Janna.

[OhGodMyLife]

My Lux can also beat your Lux

[Nuwen]

I enjoy seeing everyone improve day by day. Compare tonight's inhouse games to 2 weeks ago.

[bv310]

Anyone here who plays a tank feel like giving me a rundown on when to initiate? It's the weakest part of my tank game by far.

In other news, I thoroughly enjoy Miss Fortune and Morgana.

Also, woo for Epik Gaming winning the spot at Dreamhack.

[TheButtonmen]

How do I initiate as Cho?

Walk forward.

But why not use his sweet spells to disable them as you walk in?

You don't give a shit if they are disabled when you're walking in, you're Cho. You have 5k+ hp, are the size of a bus and have the armour and MR to shrug off whatever they throw at you.

So when do I use my sweet spells?

You see those people behind you? The small, anorexic weaklings? Yeah those little girls are too weak to survive out in the world, I mean sure they deal the deeeeeps but a stiff breeze would probably quadra-kill them. The pussies. It's up to you to keep them alive, you only cast a spell when it's going to help keep them from being rolled.

But the deeeeeps, how will I deal them?

You get +80 dmg from Vorpal spikes, +100ish dmg from Atmas, +20 / slow from Frozen Mallet and massive burst in Feast, if you're left alone after dropping your disables you're able to shred carries. And if they shut you down with CC then you just laugh as they waste precious spells on the Cho rather then the people who might actually die.

But some of those frail ducklings I'm protecting are still dying! Is there anything else I can do to protect them?

There sure is! You're at 6 feast stacks which means in addition to giving you an even larger HP pool you're also the size of a bus. Now this is good for more then reflecting the size of your E-peen, you can actually blot out the

sun

your deeeeeeps dealers by simply standing over them, you will block any skill shot and make it almost impossible for any targeted spell to hit your squishy as they frantically try to select the hero behind you without clicking on your obese body.

Huh well that's good to know but how do I use rupture to protect them?

You rupture where the opponents want to be, not where they are or where they are going (pro-tip: It's those weaklings behind you).

But if I'm not aiming where they are or where they are going then aren't I just wasting my spells?

Scroll back up to where I talked about how you initiate. Yeah you're not here to deal the deeeeeeps with your spells, those spells are solely for keeping the people who actually deal the deeeepps alive. If they can't dive a carry 'cause there is the bubbling around the carries feet warning that the spikes are about to fling everything up in the air then your rupture worked just as well as if it had hit.

But what about Feast, I mean it deals tons of burst damage!

Drop it on the first carry you reach, when they notice a third health suddenly vanish and half their screen is taken up by a giant crawfish that's now dealing 200+ dmg a hit they are forced either A) Cry for their tank to get you off them, B) Waste CC on you or C) Run away negating 100% of their sweet deeps.

[Otolia]

Dude, I played a week of HoN. It is barely any different than LoL, except that the people seem to think they're all the bee's fucking knees.

That's true. Highly competitive games create more cocky asshole than anything else.

Otherwise, you really enjoyed watching the qualifiers !?

I took on myself to watching Epik vs CLG and that was horrible. Seriously, AGar come here and say to me that LoL is a serious competitive game : No Respect from CLG combined with stupid remake rules, five person disconnecting, forum rages (and not as fun as SC or DotA ones ><) and finally Riot doing some shady business (accepting complains and backpedaling afterwards)
And the fact that aAa is in the winner bracket final in EU says a lot about the state of competition ><

Otherwise I'm still playing all the time with amumu, tried some lvl 1 jungling. I couldn't stack so I'm a little disappointed but masamune is a faceroll item. Along with CD reduction items. I'm greatly improving my timing and my CD awareness due to ludicrously low CD. LoL should be a required game for all DotA players who want to improve their APM efficiently.

[JDodge]

Dude, I played a week of HoN. It is barely any different than LoL, except that the people seem to think they're all the bee's fucking knees.

That's true. Highly competitive games create more cocky asshole than anything else.

Otherwise, you really enjoyed watching the qualifiers !?

I took on myself to watching Epik vs CLG and that was horrible. Seriously, AGar come here and say to me that LoL is a serious competitive game : No Respect from CLG combined with stupid remake rules, five person disconnecting, forum rages (and not as fun as SC or DotA ones ><) and finally Riot doing some shady business (accepting complains and backpedaling afterwards)
And the fact that aAa is in the winner bracket final in EU says a lot about the state of competition

to be entirely honest, riot did the worst possible job they could have with the NA tournament (including Phreak's really awful casting); this lack of professionalism doesn't make LoL not a competitive game, just shows that they have a bunch of complete idiots running their e-sport stuffs

the EU tournament was a delight to watch, though

[Nuwen]

can you guys just stop responding to the cocksucker plz.

[kiwieagle]

I wanna join you guys x.x
But meh...
last night I played a horrible game....
I laned with a shen, and I was xin zhao...
We were easily dominating the lane...
then it turns out vayne "cant mid" and she starts QQing why we told her to go mid...
I check the scoreboard and leblanc (the enemy mid) is 9-0....
then annie comes mid to switch with vayne....annie feeds even worse
(Leblanc is 17-0 by the time the laning phase finished)
(I am 4-3-2, the only positive in my team though shen was playing great)
We surrender at the 20 mark because leblanc was 2 shotting everyone, and vayne was QQing "leblanc too OP"

[bv310]

The CLG game was all kinds of stupidity, simply because HotshotGG is one of the biggest whiners in the LoL scene. I think I enjoyed that game more because I'm vindictive about seeing Hotshot and Elementz lose. That said, the Epik/Rock Solid game was really entertaining.

Also, Oto, you can't take the Riot forums seriously. Any given day, the whole place is going to be a series of pointless bitching about one champ or another. If you want to keep your sanity, stay off those boards.


P-EDIT: I agree with JD. The EU matches are excellent to watch.

[Untrod Tripod]

FAT AND SASSY, BITCHES

[Elmo]

Favourite moment so far: 2000+ ELO players in a major qualifier facechecking brush with Janna.

This was pretty funny. Though, his Poppy was beast.

Anyone here who plays a tank feel like giving me a rundown on when to initiate? It's the weakest part of my tank game by far.

I dunno. Skype me sometime?

[Knight of Cydonia]

Buttonmen - that guide means you're playing full-tank Cho'gath. That guide means you are

bad

. Cho'gath is a beefy AP champ. You basically build him a little like a Singed - RoA first, into Abyssal Scepter, then Sunfire Cape/Thornmail depending on whether you're just wading into fights and being awkward or dealing with a strong autoattacker like Ashe or Tryn. Nashor's Tooth also works surprisingly well on him, and lets you throw out your CC and silence more often.

-edit- Also Re: the disconnects thing - I love how CLG got facerolled 4v5, then as soon as the tide turned in Game 3, they all "mysteriously" got disconnect issues - and then they changed the rules completely after giving CLG the rematch they needed to save their asses? Yeah, no. Not for the first time, the EU side of LoL was more fun to watch, simply because no Phreak and HotshotGG being dicks. I mean, if you're casting and playing, I can understand missing a kill, but Phreak seemed to have no idea what was going on half the time...

[pickemgenius]

awwwwwwwwwwww shits about to get real up in here.

[Ankamius]

I don't choose Cho when I need a straight tank. I have Alistar, Amumu, and Malphite for that. I go Cho when we need a good amount of AP damage and a Tank all in one.

The reason I don't go Cho'Gath for a full tank is because his Rupture is his only defense for his carries. Without any damage, there is no reason for him to be a threat to any ranged carry beyond his knockup/slow.

[pickemgenius]

id like to point out im watching a game where a cho is fat and sassy late game, and has a whopping 0 ap, and tanking like a boss as his team wins every team fight.

mhmhmhmhm.

lol right as a typed this cho got a small amount of ap.(the game was way way over before said purchase)

[Knight of Cydonia]

Functional =/= optimal. One carry builds Madred's Bloodrazor, or Vayne starts taking potshots at him, and that Cho is fucked. That carry could be walking into 600 damage silences and Ruptures, with a Rylai's slow buff. Plus AP increases the damage on his E passive too. If the enemy team is actually focusing Cho first, when he's built like that, they're bad, because they have no reason to be attacking him (no taunt, no significant damage output apart from his ult which is melee range and still not that great without AP)

[popsofctown]

If the enemy team is actually focusing Cho first, when he's built like that, they're bad, because they have no reason to be attacking him (no taunt, no significant damage output apart from his ult which is melee range and still not that great without AP)

Sometimes "they're bad" is a correct premise though. If that's what your elo is queued at, optimal play changes. "you'll win anyway if they're bad" is only partially true because sometimes you have to carry teammates' poor play, or paper over general inconsistency. There was a time when Ryze was considered unplayable in high elo play, but Ryze was winning like three quarters of low-mid elo solo queue games. In theory, I should have played Annie instead, in practice, I went and won about four of every five games with Ryze.

[Untrod Tripod]

Buttonmen - that guide means you're playing full-tank Cho'gath. That guide means you are

bad

. Cho'gath is a beefy AP champ. You basically build him a little like a Singed - RoA first, into Abyssal Scepter, then Sunfire Cape/Thornmail depending on whether you're just wading into fights and being awkward or dealing with a strong autoattacker like Ashe or Tryn. Nashor's Tooth also works surprisingly well on him, and lets you throw out your CC and silence more often.

That must be why when I play full tank cho, I go something like 8/2/25 most games...

[kiwieagle]

Who are you rooting for?
CLG
TSM
EG
game.de
fnaticMSI
aAa




what happened to SK gaming tho? and i wanted rock solid to win....

[Knight of Cydonia]

Who are you rooting for?
CLG
TSM
EG
game.de
fnaticMSI
aAa




what happened to SK gaming tho? and i wanted rock solid to win....

I don't care who wins, as long as CLG lose.

Oh, and I absolutely agree that build should be adjusted for ELO - if you're up against a team who want to focus a 5.5k HP Cho without Bloodrazor's or scaling true damage like Malz' W or Vayne's Silver Bolts, by all means, build that way. Against a decent team, though... not so smart.

[scotmany12]

Hey look. Another full tank cho who did extremely well...

[Knight of Cydonia]

No, they're not. They're CLG. Oh, nice edit there.
Note that Cho also had two champs who are supposed to be built tanky in Alistar and Amumu, with actual CC. Most of the teamfight wins in that game were from stacking Cho's Q with CC that actually had a decent effect. Cho on his own as a main tank is trash.

[scotmany12]

k

[Ankamius]

Not sure how an AP Tank is better stacking the same type of damage as the primary carry but whatever floats your boat I guess.