Mini 1180: Game Over

[DarthYoshi]

Okay, I gotta ask, why are people so quick all of the sudden to offer full lists of reads?

HEY SCUM, HERE ARE THE HARD TO LYNCH FOLKS!!!!! PLEASE FEEL FREE TO KILL THEM!!!!!

Blarg.

On an unrelated note, monk's reason for voting split is bad.

[monk]

well my reason for putting up a list of reads was because I hadn't been participating properly in this game. I've just spent most of this evening catching up on all my games. Another part of the reasoning behind my vote on splitfarvle is that for the most part he has gone under the radar and not contributed much (yes I know I've also done the same, I'm trying to rectify that) Also your point of "HEY SCUM, HERE ARE THE HARD TO LYNCH FOLKS!!!!! PLEASE FEEL FREE TO KILL THEM!!!!!" is disagreeable to me because for the most part mine aren't hard and fast more of where I see people falling at any point in time, if enough comes along then I will change how I see people otherwise it's just too easy for scum to slide through. The more interesting thing and part of the reason why I do post them is to see what happens in people's playing styles.

[Secret Project]

I realise you said that, but your first point said "Overly aggressive" and the second time you said "It's fine, as it pressures people." And then the point after had basically nothing to do with the aggression, so I feel it okay to say what I did.

Moar Iron votes

[WormyKrew]

@Iron 198
AtEing = not scumhunting, and vice-versa. He's scumhunting, not AtEing.
The defense is for two reasons. First, we think Project is town. Second, and more importantly, you are our top scumspect.

And what the heck is an Appeal to Contradiction? Did you just make that up?

No, the Wikipedia page on it is right here.

@Yoshi 200
Slight FoS. You should never have any problem with your reads being public. Do you really think the Mafia go "He was on everyone's town read, let's kill him!"? Also, ear's read list was a catchup post, and I think monk's was too. Now, I'd like to ask you what your reads are.

To summarize:

Moar Iron votes

~Krew

[WormyKrew]

Okay, I gotta ask, why are people so quick all of the sudden to offer full lists of reads?

HEY SCUM, HERE ARE THE HARD TO LYNCH FOLKS!!!!! PLEASE FEEL FREE TO KILL THEM!!!!!

Blarg.

On an unrelated note, monk's reason for voting split is bad.

What's wrong with saying townreads? Are you just afraid that you'll get NKed since you were on both town lists?

-ear-

[mastin2]

2. Flinter has requested replacement and I will begin searching for one as soon as I wake up tomorrow.

Player List:
1. wierdalexv
2. splitfarvie
3. Elsa von Spielburg
4. Gerhard Krause
5. jilynne1991
6. TheWayItEnds
7. DarthYoshi
8. monk
9. Secret Project
10. Ironhead
11. Alduskkel
12. flinter
13. WormyKrew

Replacements:
1. mastin2

[DarthYoshi]

1

Slight FoS. You should never have any problem with your reads being public.

2

Do you really think the Mafia go "He was on everyone's town read, let's kill him!"? Also, ear's read list was a catchup post, and I think monk's was too.

3

Now, I'd like to ask you what your reads are.

1-How "slight?" Why do you even feel the need to quantify a FoS?

2-Yeah, I do. It's called, "s/he's got too much towncred to lynch, we're gonna have to NK them."

3-Nope. You have my suspect list (weirdalex, you, and monk), and that should be plenty for now. Check my meta, I usually only give suspect lists rather than full lists when playing as town and/or am catching up. In only one game can I think of was I town and offered a full list.

What's wrong with saying townreads? Are you just afraid that you'll get NKed since you were on both town lists?

No, but nice try with the PR rolefishing there. I'm pretty sure you're scum now. Luckily for you, I think alex is still scummier, so my vote stays.

[DarthYoshi]

Actually, you know what, I do want to see what reaction this gets:

Unovte. Vote: WormyKrew.

[Secret Project]

Ironhead. Listen up. Think about it. Let's just pretend here, just for a second, that you're town, as false as that is. Would you enjoy reading your posts? I know that language/composition class you took really changed the way you argued and you love it but scumhunting is not pointing out every occurrence of one of the many logical fallacies you know from a handout some professor gave you (If I'm assuming wrong here, oh well.) and I kind of doubt that you'd have much to say about the game if we hadn't attacked the way you elevated your language so suddenly. So. I wanna know what you think about the rest of the game. Go on then. (Just so you know, I'm also gonna be using this information to look for your buddies when you flip scum so maybe you should be EXTRA careful with what you right. Don't wanna screw them over, now do you.)

[^Hey, everyone else, whose WIFOM do you think is more entertaining? Mine or the instance in Darth's vote on krew.]

monk. Reasoning on Alduskkel in your scum list. Go.

2. Flinter has requested replacement and I will begin searching for one as soon as I wake up tomorrow.

Player List:
1. wierdalexv
2. splitfarvie
3. Elsa von Spielburg
4. Gerhard Krause
5. jilynne1991
6. TheWayItEnds
7. DarthYoshi
8. monk
9. Secret Project
10. Ironhead
11. Alduskkel
12. flinter
13. WormyKrew

Replacements:
1. mastin2

This is about to get a little more fun.

[Secret Project]

Okay, I gotta ask, why are people so quick all of the sudden to offer full lists of reads?

HEY SCUM, HERE ARE THE HARD TO LYNCH FOLKS!!!!! PLEASE FEEL FREE TO KILL THEM!!!!!

Blarg.

On an unrelated note, monk's reason for voting split is bad.

What's wrong with saying townreads? Are you just afraid that you'll get NKed since you were on both town lists?

-ear-

Are you implying that's scummy?

[monk]

[^Hey, everyone else, whose WIFOM do you think is more entertaining? Mine or the instance in Darth's vote on krew.]

blegh, you both suck

monk. Reasoning on Alduskkel in your scum list. Go.

I don't think he has contributed much and what he has contributed has been mainly answering questions of other people rather than applying pressure or asking questions of people. There are different levels of scumminess and towniness I just don't show them.

Also you guys want a sheep? Now that I understand why you are wanting to see more pressure on Ironhead VOTE: Ironhead

[WormyKrew]

@DarthYoshi: You really didn't answer my question. What's wrong with giving our reads out? If you don't want to give out your reads that's your purogative, but why are you attacking us for giving the town information that will be helpful further down the road?

@SecretProject: I don't think it's scummy. I just think he's inhibiting the circulation of information.

[Substrike22]

Mastin2 replaces flinter effective immediately. Make him feel welcome!

[WormyKrew]

Yoshi:
1. Still think you're town, but the refusal to share reads won't go unnoted.
2. Except scum could leave them alive and lead to endless WIFOM. So yeah. And it's not like scum need lists to see who most protown is.
3. I don't use meta. It's unreliable.
You ADMIT that a vote is a reactiontest? Wah...?

Also:
UNVOTE:
VOTE: Mastin
Obvscum for lurking.
But seriously.
UNVOTE:
VOTE: Iron

So, I'm taking bets on what Iron's response will be when he finds out what an Appeal to Contradiction is. Any guesses?
Also, last post was made by ear. This one brought to you by
~Krew

[Secret Project]

So, I'm taking bets on what Iron's response will be when he finds out what an Appeal to Contradiction is. Any guesses?

Probably something on how I must think it's scummy cuz it's an appeal.

[mastin2]

Fair warning. I skimmed the thread before but was having trouble getting reads. Now, traditionally, that'd leave two options.

1: Lurk lethargically and basically contribute nothing. (Anti-town.) I'll pass.
2: Spam the thread with constant walls to hopefully lock onto a solid read. (Pretty much the ONLY thing MORE anti-town. ) No, thank you; I prefer not to demonstrate the title Unabridged whenever at all possible.

I recently discovered there was a Third Option. Something our hydras might've noticed: when dumping my thoughts into the Calcifer QT (Nacho+Me Hydra), I was far more concise in-thread. So, re-reading the game right now and opening a QT. (Effectively, I hydra with myself! )

Also, fair warning: I've been in far too many larges. My Mini play is also rusty.

Now that that's out of the way, off to work. (Being, creating the QT to dump my thoughts into. TRUST me. You don't want me doing it in-thread. Ask Ald. )

[mastin2]

First off, from memory, jily's newb-town, but still town. I got a town feeling from Gerhard Krause.
Everyone else has gone both ways (town to scum, scum to town, and/or no read at all), so that's why I need to read.

My experience with this playerlist: I know the evil half of Secret Project, and have a game with Alduskkel as well. (He also replaced me in my first game, 688.) I was in Yoshi's first (was it first?) game, as the IC replacement. Flinter was another I knew.

Other good things to know: Pacific timezone. I tend to be one of the more active names in a game, but it depends on my mood, day, and workload. (Both onsite and off.) I have 34 completed full games under my belt (plus three as an alt), as well as multiple ongoing and three marathon games. Not to mention extensive EpicMafia experience back when the name was still accurate (it's not, anymore :/), a little experience on my home forum where I got this name, and a bunch of games on another site, mainly Werewolf-based. I specialize in theory (lots of MD work from me), but don't expect me to be a Saintly Scumhunter; I have trouble making it work in practice.

Now to work.

[Ironhead]

AtEing = not scumhunting, and vice-versa. He's scumhunting, not AtEing.

This is inaccurate. I have argued that his scumhunting is suspect, and you have contested this argument. But

regardless

of who is right, the AtE was done while he was

defending

himself from my accusation -- he dismissed my argument by calling me "silleh." That post was not an effort to hunt scum; it was an AtE defense.

Maybe after a little back-and-forth you'll convince me that Secret Project's scum-hunting

is

effective; but even if you do, it does not account for his Appeal to Emotion in his own defense.

The defense is for two reasons. First, we think Project is town. Second, and more importantly, you are our top scumspect.

If he is town, he doesn't need your defense -- he should be able to defend himself just fine, shouldn't he? And although I may be your top scumspect now, I might be able to change your mind about Secret Project if you would let him handle his own defense.

And what the heck is an Appeal to Contradiction? Did you just make that up?

No, the Wikipedia page on it is right here.

You link me to the Wikipedia page on humor? Good joke. Can I take this as a concession that "Appeal to Contradiction" doesn't exist?

So. I wanna know what you think about the rest of the game. Go on then.

I think that if anyone else exhibits weak logic or Appeals to Emotion, I will put pressure on them - just as I am now with you. If their defense resembles yours, I will follow it through to lynch.

...

Secret Project, you have twice mentioned that you told Krew that AtE aren't always scumtells, or they are about context, or something. But twice now I have responded that I don't see it in the thread and have asked you to point out this alleged post.

Please do so in your next thread or explain how you came to think that this post existed.

[mastin2]

First off. VCA is kinda my thing, but it's hard to do right now working from so little. But Alex is concerning.

DarthYoshi 3 (L-4)

Wiredalexv

, Alduskkel, Monk

jilynne1991 3 (L-4) TheWayItEnds,

Wiredalexv

, WormyKrew

(On someone who's to my understanding practically confirmed town, no less.)

Not Voting: jilynne1991, flinter,

Wiredalexv

(Say what you will about Not Voting counting as a wagon, but I consider it at that stage in the game to be a willing choice--which makes it to me a wagon.)

I'll be looking more into this.

(Though I need to make sure I don't tunnel on alex. It's...been known to happen. To, uh...say the least. )

[mastin2]

Note to self: Review my first game with Yoshi.
Since it's apparently the only one where he was town and I read him as such.

(Hint, hint.)

Still readin', though.

[Secret Project]

I get appeal to authority, but how is appeal to logic a scumtell?

In the same way any appeal is. This game is nothing without appeals. It's about context. Why did Ironhead NEED to appeal? Not for the sake of a town argument, that's for sure.

Actually it wasn't krew, it was Yoshi. My b.

[mastin2]

Do you prefer to play as town, scum, third party, or no preference? If "third party" please specify what kind of third party.

Town. Third Party for me was disastrous. Lyncher (in a NORMAL Large), outed by a JOAT's rolecop Day One.

Scum, not my favorite. Since I had a 0% winrate under the name Mastin. (As mastin2, I won one game as scum, but I didn't earn it. And I've won as scum under an alt, and as a hydra. But my main was retired before I had a scum victory.) And the victories I DID have were by my buddies' work, not my own.

Also, pretty sure I'm tunneling, since both my suspects are Yoshi and Alex. [i[Help me![/i]

[mastin2]

BBC fail. >_<

[mastin2]

At Page Four. My reads so far.

1. wierdalexv <--Scum?
3. Elsa von Spielburg <--Weak-town.
4. Gerhard Krause <--Town.
5. jilynne1991 <--Town.
7. DarthYoshi <--Scum.
8. monk <--Town.
9. Secret Project <--Town.
10. Ironhead <--Town.
11. Alduskkel <--Flip-flops.
13. WormyKrew <--Flip-flips.

Rest null. Sorry they're a bit weak right now. I'll see if by my next post, my reads are stronger.

[mastin2]

D'Oh. Can't seem to stop myself from making typos... >_<

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