Mini 1180: Game Over

[mastin2]

Finished Five. I have some interesting analysis, but I'm going to catch up before confirming. Needless to say, I think I'm onto the scumteam.

[Secret Project]

Finished Five. I have some interesting analysis, but I'm going to catch up before confirming. Needless to say, I think I'm onto the scumteam.

Can't waaaaaait

[mastin2]

Finished Five. I have some interesting analysis, but I'm going to catch up before confirming. Needless to say, I think I'm onto the scumteam.

Can't waaaaaait

I'll need to Dissect what I find first.

[mastin2]

Up to eight. My reads are growing stronger.

[mastin2]

That read was not as much of a Monster as I had anticipated.

First off--Iron's town. Literal-minded, extremely technical town, but town nonetheless. That's pretty dang obvious. His wagon needs to die. There are two or three votes for him on page nine, in addition to any on him before then.

Second off--scum. I've got it down to a small section of the playerlist. Next post.

[mastin2]

(So, yeah, that means I've finished.)

[mastin2]

1. wierdalexv
7. DarthYoshi
11. Alduskkel
13. WormyKrew

The scum are in those names. I'm going to Protect anyone not in here from being lynched, and do so heavily. (Like Jily or Iron.) Now, I'm still dumping reasons for these reads into my QT, so it'd be best not to post them, yet. Need to organize 'em. But I'm quite positive these four contains our scum. Weakest to strongest, it'd probably be Alex, Ald, WormyKrew, Yoshi.

[mastin2]

So.

Vote: DarthYoshi

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(Though admittedly, I could be tunneling. Will need to review.)

[Secret Project]

Me and marill have agreed on weirdalex in our QT. And I told marill that if Ironhead flips town, then krew is scum. Unfortunately they can't be on the same team. We can lynch Alex today though. I think marill wants that more than Ironhead. I'd be ok with lynching krew tomorrow but if he flips town Ironhead must die immediately.

unvote, vote: weirdalex

I don't think I can support a Yoshi vote.

[mastin2]

And I don't think I can currently support my weakest scumread as a vote, either. How about we compromise?

Unvote, vote: WormyKrew

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[WormyKrew]

If you don't mind, I'd like three questions answered please:
1. Why is Iron town all of a sudden?
2. Why is Yoshi scum?
3. Why are we scum?
Thought of something else too. You said Gerhard is town. How in the hell...?
~Krew

[mastin2]

If you don't mind, I'd like three questions answered please:
1. Why is Iron town all of a sudden?
2. Why is Yoshi scum?
3. Why are we scum?
Thought of something else too. You said Gerhard is town. How in the hell...?
~Krew

1: Iron's town because a lot of what people are attacking him for is wrong. I lack the words to describe how the attacks are wrong at the moment, but trust me. They're not correct reasons to suspect Iron.
2: Admittedly, risk of tunneling is high, but Yoshi's consistently done things pinging my scum radar.
3: Related, you two as a hydra have done quite the load of similar activities.

[WormyKrew]

So they are all gut reads?
Also, didn't answer about Gerhard.
~Krew

[TheWayItEnds]

Okay, I gotta ask, why are people so quick all of the sudden to offer full lists of reads?

I Lol'd.

On a similar note, I am also fairly adverse to full scum to town lists.

Yes. I do think that scum

can

use those lists to decide on who they would be hard pressed to get lynched.

I'm just saying... I very much understand this point of view.


Also.... kinda confused on the Yoshi scum standpoint... What "things" have been pinging your scumdar?

[mastin2]

Many. Nearly none of them gut, contrary to the strawman provided.

Merely, I'm trying to compile them in a logical way. Rather, a more normal definition of "logical way". Since they make perfect sense to ME.

Essentially, I'm trying to find ways to describe my scumtells in a way which sounds like normal logic, rather than "Mastin-Logic".

[Elsa von Spielburg]

Gerhard has been lurky and gave an "lol-gotta-catch-up" post that I always seem to find scum making. As such, I'm still liking my vote on him and I'm curious as to why you think he's town. Gonna reread to see if there's anyone else that pings my radar.

[mastin2]

Gerhard is a mislynch. Trust me on this.

Sure, Gerhard is scummy. But I know better than ANYONE else (*coughcoughpastvillageidiotcoughcough*) that there's a huge difference between scummy and scum. Gerhard is the former, not the latter. The scummy posts give off a town vibe when you double-check them. They look scummy, but look like they're coming from town.

If that makes sense.

I can elaborate, of course, but I would prefer not to. And would much rather you just trust me when I say Gerhard is not scum.

[Gerhard Krause]

I feel like you're claiming a power role or something.

You people and your damn content have gotten away from me, and work has prevented me from catching up.

@Elsa von Speilburg: Guess what? I'm not posting content! Yipee! I'll be posting tomorrow morning, but right now I'm just avoiding a prod.

[mastin2]

Nah, this is just how I play. If you'll excuse me, I've got a sig to modify.

[Secret Project]

Yes, Pac, I like this!

Anyway, I posted this stuff in our QT around the start of the game.

Contradictions:

RVS. RQS sparks discussion, but you don't get any reads from it. RVS gives discussion but also gives you an early read on the player who is bandwagonned.

Okay, so RVS is cool.

Was that a serious [pregame] vote (I mean, it won't count, but is it with the intent of voting me when the game starts)? Because I don't see what we would really get out of just voting everybody randomly.

Um, so RVS is not cool.

Scumteam Links

Well, I'm assuming RQS is Random Question Stage. I prefer RQS, because I can get more information. I dislike RVS, because it's too easy to kill a person too early. Oh, and I've only played with RVS, but I dislike it.

RVS gives discussion but also gives you an early read on the player who is bandwagonned.

VOTE: WIERDALEXV for instantly linking RVS to the concept of bandwagoning. Why must RVS result in bandwagons? Couldn't it proceed with an approximately equal distribution of votes among several candidates?

Watch how Ironhead COMPLETELY ignores jil and attacks his partner instead. On another note, he claims it doesn't put pressure on people later in the game, yet now he's saying everyone should vote evenly?

TBH, I think Ironhead is null because of it (all though I'm still not sure if it was serious or just RVS-sarcasm, I can never tell the difference).

Now wierdalex doesn't like bussing, and is saying Ironhead is null for a reason he can't decide between, which would be a huge point in the read, I would assume.

I'll see if I can get more, that was just stuff I picked up on at the start.

[DarthYoshi]

Le sigh. How do I say this without mentioning ongoing games?

Mastin, you should know better than to try to meta me on the basis of my very first MafiaScum game ever.

Also, Mastin, why is monk town to you?

@WormyKrew--yeah, but I was also referring to what reactions others might provide to my vote as well. I especially find it interesting that Mastin thinks I'm his #1 scum, yet our vote is now on the same playslot. I realize I'm not answering your question about providing a full list because, well, I'm not going to do that. You, on the other hand, have done nothing to deny that you were rolefishing in your interaction with me, which reinforces my belief that you = scum.

@Secret Project: I think I dinged WormyKrew for this as well...why are you hunting in terms of a scumteam when no flips have occurred yet?

[wierdalexv]

Contradictions:

RVS. RQS sparks discussion, but you don't get any reads from it. RVS gives discussion but also gives you an early read

on the player who is bandwagonned.

Okay, so RVS is cool.

Was that a serious [pregame] vote (I mean, it won't count, but is it with the intent of voting me when the game starts)? Because I don't see what we would really get out of just voting everybody randomly.

Um, so RVS is not cool.

I don't know how we would get reads

without bandwagoning.

Everybody voting a random person without bandwagoning gives you nothing. Read the last line of the top quote.

This is what I was answering with the second line:

VOTE: WIERDALEXV for instantly linking RVS to the concept of bandwagoning. Why must RVS result in bandwagons? Couldn't it proceed with an approximately equal distribution of votes among several candidates?

mastin -- why the heck is DarthYoshi scum? I've got town on him.

[Secret Project]

And I don't think I can currently support my weakest scumread as a vote, either. How about we compromise?

Unvote, vote: WormyKrew

.

This is more my read than Marill's. I'll have to ask him.

[Secret Project]

Actually no. I'm not voting krew until after Ironhead is lynched. You're wrong here, mastin.

[WormyKrew]

I've got a lot more to say, but I don't really have time now. A question, and then I leave.
Yoshi, when did we say we were rolefishing?
~Krew