A Gentleman's Game of Guile, Subterfuge, and Intrigue (Fin)

[AurorusVox]

^WOAH

I didn't know was actually a tag >_>"

[lord_hur]

But that's retroactive logic.

You think all lurkers should die.
Deadline approaches, a bunch of people decide that The Lurker should die.
Those people are now scummy.
You now think The Lurker should not die.

Can you see my problem?

No, I can't. I suspect persons. These persons all agree to vote for someone. This someone is then probable town. Where did you see "lurker" in there?

[AurorusVox]

Are you suggesting that Reya is not a lurker?

[lord_hur]

Are you suggesting that Reya is not a lurker?

Typical AurorusVox lack of logic. My decision has NOTHING to do with this. I hate lurkers, but they have the same probability as the others to be scum. End of the discussion.

[Wraith]

Deadline is within 24-36 hours.

[AurorusVox]

Oh. Your signature led me to believe otherwise, sir. Never mind that line of enquiry then, I have been misled.

[inHimshallibe]

Sir Hoppster--I am pretty much shocked by his stance on TS. I cannot mention any games in particular, but I can mention the fact that you hydra together. I recognize TS as being a very whimsy player, one who comes of as scummy because of his apparent love for WIFOM. Also, your declaration that he ABSOLUTELY CAN'T BE SCUM. Does TS ordinarily make cases? nope. I have played a game with just Hoppster as well, and got strong town vibes when compared to this game.

Yes, it's true, TS's play is somewhat... 'erratic'.

However, just because Twistedspoon does X as town does not mean he doesn't do X as scum.

There was more to this case, such as the misrepresentation (which I still cannot understand) he did.

1. Following my experience, rapscallions often comment in the post immediately following a kill, because they had a hand in the act and thus have this problematic of the reason for killing in mind. Which Sir Hoppster did.
2. Furthermore, he did not mention the one thing most peculiar about the night : that there were two murders, and not one. This strikes me as quite unfair unless special mechanics are at work, but of course, the actual killers should not be surprised, and indeed would be less likely to mention it. Also about this mass murder, the modus operandi of tonight's deaths is very different from the first one. I think this might be an important clue to guess their abilities.
3. During his most expansive reaction to the late Twistedspoon, Esq.'s death, the only argument he brings forth is OMGUS voting (thus it must be the most important for him), yet I do not find this reason in his message #51, which he claimed regrouped his reasons for voting him.
4. I do not agree with these reasons : while they are indicative of bad play, I do not think these mistakes are more likely to be made by scum than by town.
5. He seemed quite fast in taking Twistedspoon, Esq.'s claim as a miller for acurate. As for me, someone who lied in the past (he did claim a role he has not) I would not have believed him to be gentlemen-aligned right away (even in twilight). Of course, if he knew Twistedspoon, Esq. to be gentlemen-aligned, this reaction would make sense.

And since this is my best lead as of now, I will :

VOTE: Sir Hoppster

Of course, alleviating these concerns might lead me to rescind my vote.

1. Are you suggesting I was involved in both kills?

2. ... what? A post saying "OMG 2 DEATHS" surely would be a scum-tell by your logic in 1. That makes no sense. Further to this, why should I need to mention that there were 2 deaths when everybody can see that? What everybody

couldn't

necessarily see is that they were odd deaths, which is why I pointed it out.

3. This is badly taken out of context. It's not until here (my ISO #54) that I pick up on Twistedspoon's lack of case/OMGUS vote. That comes after my summary in #51.

4. I fail to see how me interpreting posts differently to you makes me a villain.

5. Where do I say I buy the miller claim in paticular? It was more the "WTF HE'S ACTUALLY TOWN" thing that felt like a punch to the face and prompted twilight rage.

VOTE: lord_hur

Weak, weak case. He also leaves himself a nice escape route with his vote, which is rather suspicious.




As I've said, I found both TheLonging and StrangerCoug slightly scummy, so I am thinking that perhaps it was rival scum shooting for each other (having said that, if there were multiple scum factions, I would expect slightly different kill flavour, but eh).

Sir Hoppster votes Lord Hur for a "Weak, weak case" + "escape route." Sir Hoppster seems to take retaliatory voting to heart. I believe in this instance the vote is of the "You Suck" manner than anything else, which is quite consistent to the Twistedspoon, Esq. back-and-forth Day 1.

[inHimshallibe]

Sir Toast's vote for Lord Hur comes after a reassessment of Sir Hoppster. http://www.mafiascum.net/forum/viewtopi ... 8#p3066098 What I find intriguing is that with the reassessment of Sir Hoppster a different Rogue or group of Rogues were suggested, merely that Sir Hoppster wasn't as off as Sir Toast had previously thought. I suppose my main beef with the Lord Hur vote is that Sir Hoppster proposed a team of Rogues, and so it wouldn't matter if he were voting Lord Hur or Sir Hoppster at that instance if he thought both to be on the same team. Then words are shared that are enough to warrant a vote of Sir Hoppster, but Sir Toast does not go on to reassess a newly possible team.

A. Vox, PhD's case http://www.mafiascum.net/forum/viewtopi ... 5#p3061805 on Lord Hur seems to boil down to the most recent posts by Lord Hur at the time. In rereading the thread it seems very kneejerk to assume that someone attacking the other side of a duel (TS, Esq. and Sir Hoppster D1) is scum looking for an "easy ballot." Perhaps this is a slip on A. Vox, PhD's part, as he seems to be certain Lord Hur is picking on a Gentleman...

[inHimshallibe]

Also, yes, I am quite aware of Lord Hur's claim, and I have to say I believe it. Help me bar the door against Sir Cookiebringer, since he never cared to enter the room in the first place.

I will continue the assessment of the Day, and in particular Lord Hur's wagon, throughout my business hours.

[AurorusVox]

Dearest inOne; I have been treating Sir Hoppster as though he has practically confirmed gentleman status due to his request for a deadline extension near the end of the first day. His lynch target was the leading horse-drawn carriage at the time and as a rogue he could have kept exceedingly quiet and allowed a deadline flurry of activity to see the (mis)lynch through with little worry or problem.

[ToastyToast]

What a twist!

Unvote

Actually agree with lord_hur's logic on Reya
Other possibilities: Hoppster, inhim, vezok

And inhim, I didn't for a new team of suspects because I still suspect Hoppster

[AurorusVox]

I'm not willing to lynch outside of {Reya/lord_hur} with deadline so close.

[jilynne1991]

I agree with AurorusVox on that, but now I'm leaning towards Reya...so

Vote: Reya Cookiebringer

[jilynne1991]

AurorusVox, somehow I wasn't able to find your earlier question(s). Do you mind restating them? Sorry.

[AurorusVox]

Restated at your behest;

I don't know why, but something about Feysal leads me to conclude that Lord_hur is townie.

Right now, you're kind of leaning scum for me...but Feysal's got me pretty well convinced.

Baroness Jilynne, can you please clarify how certain you are of lord_hur being a dastardly rogue? On the one hand, your posts seem to say with some considerable strength ("conclude", "pretty well convinced") that you believe him to be a true gentleman; yet on the other, you sound unsure and in fact find him a rapscallion ("I don't know why", "kind of leaning scum") - plus, it should of course be noted that you are still voting for him.

[jilynne1991]

Thanks, I'll try to explain. I was kind of unsure, because he was being really helpful and everything and his posts seemed to be better than earlier ones. But, from looking at his earlier posts, it seemed that he was quite scummy, or at the very least, the biggest lead I had. (This was what was going on in my mind when I was voting him.)

[imaginality]

TastyToast, do you believe lord_hur's claim, or do you still suspect him to be scum but are unvoting as a precaution in case you are wrong?

[jilynne1991]

Could I get a votecount please?

[ToastyToast]

TastyToast, do you believe lord_hur's claim, or do you still suspect him to be scum but are unvoting as a precaution in case you are wrong?

Still suspect him, but I'm not about to vote a claimed cop.

Vote:Reya Cookiebringer

[jilynne1991]

VOTECOUNT PLEASE!!!

[ToastyToast]

jilynne, I think he's L-2

[jilynne1991]

Oh, ok thanks.

[Wraith]

Votecount 2.5

Reya Cookiebringer

(4)

:

inHimshallibe,

Sir Hoppster

, imaginality, jilynne1991, ToastyToast

lord_hur

(3)

:

Sir Hoppster

, Aurorus Vox, PhD,

ToastyToast

,

imaginality

, vezokpiraka,

jilynne1991

,

Sir Hoppster

,

jilynne1991

, Sir Hoppster

Sir Hoppster

(0)

:

ToastyToast

,

lord_hur

,

vezokpiraka

vezokpiraka

(0)

:

inHimshallibe

imaginality

(2)

:

lord_hur, Feysal

Not Voting

(2)

:

Reya Cookiebringer

With 10 alive it takes

6

to lynch the knave.

Night falls

TODAY

[ToastyToast]

guys, we have to make a decision...

[jilynne1991]

Um, last time I checked, Reya Cookiebringer was one person. Yes we do, and I saw we lynch Reya today, and give Lord_Hur another day.