Mini 1180: Game Over

[mastin2]

I don't know if anyone else is, but I am personally disgusted with my play up to now.

My opinion is entirely based on your alignment. Total agreement if town, but if you're scum, keep on going exactly as you have been.

(Content will be coming, Friday. It'll take time for me to try and explain things, but I'll make it work.)

[mastin2]

...Speaking of which, I really need to start taking more notes; it looks like I've neglected to do so, again.

[DarthYoshi]

I'm sorry, but I really can't help but wonder if these two are related.

Mastin, your tunnelvision would be a HELL of a lot less frustrating if you would just explain your reads. Every post I'm reading, it's either fluff or "I'm getting around to it." I am more than happy to convince you that I am town, but I can't when all you're doing is sitting there, screaming "He's a witch! Burn him!" without actually saying why. And, do you REALLY think ScumMe would be so dense as to voice my irritation like that?

Blarg.

The funny thing is, all of this is actually convincing me you're town, because I cannot possibly begin to fathom why ScumYou would allow the risk of you playing this poorly.

Also, Yoshi scumslipped. Similar to the WormyKrew one, albeit slightly different and admittedly weaker.

Again, explain.

FWIW, I had two reasons for not liking the new hydra replace-in: first, I had already begun to meta Scumhunter on my own, and was looking at his intro posts in a solo light; while I think entering solo with the understanding made known that it will turn into a hydra (like what WK did) is perfectly fine, this wasn't. Second, I think that players who don't like playing with hydras get screwed when one replaces in--I may not agree with said views on hydras, but I at least understand why they have those views.

DarthYoshi, my apologies if my replacing in was of any inconvience but I jumped at the opportunity to have a proper game with Scumhunter. Let me assure you though we will work towards having our reads be agreed upon so we don't become two different players playing in one slot. The game with Elsa is: Newbie 1103.

Thanks for the link. Still wondering about Jily, why is it now pointless to argue about it?

Since when have you called Secret Project's actions suspicious?

I didn't like that they didn't have their vote out (see also: my ISO, #20 onward). They say they explained why, and I basically said I thought their explanation was lame because it put the hydra before the town.

Also, I don't think you answered this:
Alduskkel wrote:
Darth Yoshi wrote:
Actually, you know what, I do want to see what reaction this gets:

Unovte. Vote: WormyKrew.
Why would you announce that you just want to see his reaction? That completely negates the point of the vote -- if he's scum he can calculate his reaction and it won't be genuine.

Not to you directly, but I said in my ISO #14 to WK that I had also meant in reference to the reaction of the game as a whole. I agree it was very poorly put on my part, it was a spur of the moment change-of-heart from keeping my vote on Alex.

I never said I suspected anyone on the wagon. I just said it was BS. I've said it before, I'll say it again: wrong =/= scummy.

This is bad. I never said you suspected anyone either, I simply asked if you did and why. If you didn't, is it really too much to ask to say that you didn't and move on?

[Soben]

Alduskkel, Captain Corporal didn't pick which wagon he wanted, he stated disagreement with a scum-read that his predecessor stated. Scum have no particular reason to limit themselves to fewer lynches or wagons therefore that action is indeed a town-tell. Although scum are concered with peoples opinions of them they also know that openely asking leads to attention being drawn to them due to it as well as the possibility of them being bandwagoned meaning such a question is more likely to come from town than scum. As for why I believe if one of WeirdAlex or Jilynne flip scum the other is near-confirmed town, it's due to the massive amount of coaching and attention that has occured between them, I don't believe scum would concentrate on their partner to that extent.

DarthYoshi, it's pointless because she is going to continue to deny the fact she's an alternate account whereas my mind has already been made in regards to disbelieving that. Essentially arguing over it isn't productive for the time being. What's your opinion of Elsa at the current moment?

[DarthYoshi]

What's your opinion of Elsa at the current moment?

Pretty neutral for the moment. She's done nothing to convince me she's town, but she's also done nothing to convince me she's scum yet, either. I don't particularly care for her voting pattern (derp vote that didn't count in RVS, voting Gerhard (whose slot I do think is probably town), and unvoting without re-voting), but that has been about it. Hence why I for the game link--I'm hoping that meta will help, but I'll need some time to plow through that game.

[Captain Corporal]

Hmm, sorry everyone. My quality of scumhunting is laughable. I don't think I've posted a decent case all game, all I seem to be getting is gut feelings. SP is now null.

Krew - My top three scumreads? I honestly don't know. Give me a little time to write some notes down, then I'll get back to you.

Also, it seems I've been putting off writing a good post, which is terrible. Apologies. I will spend some decent time tomorrow writing out some good, reasoned, explained reads (backed up with evidence). At the moment I'm on a mobile device, and I'm getting sleepy.

[Substrike22]

Searching for a replacement for Monk at some point today when I get back from the hospital.

[Captain Corporal]

Hope you're alright, man @Substrike22

[WormyKrew]

I just realized something. Regfan/Soben has a townread on us, right? While we are indeed town, the reasoning is

completely wrong

. How can you use one game of meta on a HYDRA? And my first game, a Newbie game, at that? You've got to have some better logic than that.
More in a bit.
Still failing to see how "I like you." is scummy.

[WormyKrew]

I want Friday to roll around quickly and see what all this that mastin has cooked up is. It should be interesting.

[Soben]

Hope everything is alright Substrike.

WormyKrew, the town-read which I have on you doesn't revolve around

just

your meta from that game. The crux of the town-read has to do with the interactions that have occured between both of your hydra heads. It reads as a geninue attempt at scumhunting and compromising over reads. As previously stated I don't understand the case put forward against you and the sheer number of people pushing this lynch forward reads as scum taking advantage of an easy mslynch. With all that being said I'm very interested in hearing both of your updated reads with reasoning attached.

[Secret Project]

And on rare occasions [*coughcoughpinecoughcough*], I defend someone who ISN'T a mislynch.

This is why we're not letting you take over the town, btw.

[Secret Project]

The first question in 307 was "care to elaborate?" I answered it.

[WormyKrew]

And on rare occasions [*coughcoughpinecoughcough*], I defend someone who ISN'T a mislynch.

This is why we're not letting you take over the town, btw.

He hasn't taken over? He derailed the Iron wagon and started one on me without a single shred of evidence. And you listened.

[Secret Project]

And on rare occasions [*coughcoughpinecoughcough*], I defend someone who ISN'T a mislynch.

This is why we're not letting you take over the town, btw.

He hasn't taken over? He derailed the Iron wagon and started one on me without a single shred of evidence. And you listened.

Yes and if you flip town the Ironhead wagon will be right back. I'll make damn sure.

[Elsa von Spielburg]

Elsa in #177 you state that you have a town-read on Secret Project but then proceeds to state that you were suspicious of both hydras in #469 without mentioning Secret Project at any point in time between these, what changed?

Vote: Elsa

Honestly? I forgot about that read. As I said, and I'm aware enough to know this is scummy, but I'm having a hard time keeping track of this game (21+ pages for Day 1!). Thanks for bringing it up, though.

@Alduskkel

Krew continued to push jily for a few more posts despite her incredibly obvious townslip and the way in which he did it reads more as 'scum trying to find a case' then just 'paranoid town'.

I was planning on dropping my vote on Krew, like I had said earlier, to put him at L-1, but he had to go and post 508, which has the self-awareness and tone that looks incredibly town. I mean, saying why someone's town read on you is fundamentally flawed? What scum does that?

[wierdalexv]

Honestly? I forgot about that read.

Did I read this wrong or is it a scumslip?

VOTE: Elsa von Spielburg

[Soben]

Krew continued to push jily for a few more posts despite her incredibly obvious townslip and the way in which he did it reads more as 'scum trying to find a case' then just 'paranoid town'.

Did you even read my replace-in post because this is reading as if you haven't, if you did so you would have noticed and addressed the following:

Jilynne1991: Something that should probably be brought to light is the fact that she's not a new player, she's an alternate account of another player at this site. Proof of this is here though you'll need to attain access to Forum 62 to read it. I'm reading her play this game as an overexaggeration of her false newbie status and

if you read her 'town slip' knowing she's not new it reads as highly suspicious.

I however am apprehensive over lynching her at the current moment due to her claim, I'm willing to leave her to the side until tommorow.

Jilynee, I'm going to continue to disbelieve this and arguing over it really is pointless,

[Redacted] proves that you knew what a QT was before you asked about it in this thread therefore the noob-town read that people attained from that is incorrect.

[DarthYoshi]

Sending good thoughts your way, Substrike.

After considering Elsa's meta, and her general lack of defense so far (to me, townies tend to be more vigorous, or at least more insulting, in defending themselves against others), she is moving up to #3 (maybe a tie at #2 with Alex) on my scumlist, taking monk's place (since it looks like monk's inactivity was a precursor to him flaking now). Alex's point isn't a bad one, but what I find more disconcerting than the potential scumslip is she is now defending where her vote WOULD have been--except her vote was never there, which I do see as scummy. Town would have put their money where their mouth is.

Vote stays on WK for the time being (in part because I think Elsa's reasoning on WK is bad--scum can absolutely ask about townreads ppl have them on in order to appear even more townish, and WK remains my #1), but I am officially down for an Elsa lynch and will join her wagon if need be to secure a majority.

[Elsa von Spielburg]

Krew continued to push jily for a few more posts despite her incredibly obvious townslip and the way in which he did it reads more as 'scum trying to find a case' then just 'paranoid town'.

Did you even read my replace-in post because this is reading as if you haven't, if you did so you would have noticed and addressed the following:

Jilynne1991: Something that should probably be brought to light is the fact that she's not a new player, she's an alternate account of another player at this site. Proof of this is here though you'll need to attain access to Forum 62 to read it. I'm reading her play this game as an overexaggeration of her false newbie status and

if you read her 'town slip' knowing she's not new it reads as highly suspicious.

I however am apprehensive over lynching her at the current moment due to her claim, I'm willing to leave her to the side until tommorow.

Jilynee, I'm going to continue to disbelieve this and arguing over it really is pointless,

[Redacted] proves that you knew what a QT was before you asked about it in this thread therefore the noob-town read that people attained from that is incorrect.

I took her constant questions of "what's a _____?" questions at face value and thought she was a relatively new player. I can't see that link you posted and I have not played a game with her ever, but to learn that jily is playing distinctly different in this game would definably be of note, if it is true.

However, in light of this new info, does this really change the nature of people's reactions to her 'townslip' since they thought she was a new/inexperienced player, anyways?

Honestly? I forgot about that read.

Did I read this wrong or is it a scumslip?

VOTE: Elsa von Spielburg

? How is this a considered a scumslip? I forgot about what I had said earlier and that SP was part of what transpired with jily. It's definitely embarrassing and bad play if I can't keep my thoughts together like that, but scummy?

(to me, townies tend to be more vigorous, or at least more insulting, in defending themselves against others)

Now this is crap (see what I did there?) I was like that for a while when I was a newer player, and I tend to become more volitile the closer I come towards lynch as a townie, but you're telling me you have not seen many calm/self-aware play-styles? Because I tend to be as honest as possible, even with my own screwups. I'm not terribly happy with my play so far, but to be lynched for what I've said would make little sense.

Town would have put their money where their mouth is.

I saw something that read town from the person I was about to vote for and it was enough to give me pause. It seems we disagree on the nature of Krew's post, but you want me to say to hell with my reads and vote him anyways?

Bah, I'm getting defensive. Never good as town. Gonna go find someone to vote for.

[wierdalexv]

? How is this a considered a scumslip?

How do I put it into words...Use your brain for a moment, and look at that again. (I will get back to you as soon as I can think of a way to say it...my brain is muddled up at the moment.

[jilynne1991]

Krew continued to push jily for a few more posts despite her incredibly obvious townslip and the way in which he did it reads more as 'scum trying to find a case' then just 'paranoid town'.

Did you even read my replace-in post because this is reading as if you haven't, if you did so you would have noticed and addressed the following:

Jilynne1991: Something that should probably be brought to light is the fact that she's not a new player, she's an alternate account of another player at this site. Proof of this is here though you'll need to attain access to Forum 62 to read it. I'm reading her play this game as an overexaggeration of her false newbie status and

if you read her 'town slip' knowing she's not new it reads as highly suspicious.

I however am apprehensive over lynching her at the current moment due to her claim, I'm willing to leave her to the side until tommorow.

Jilynee, I'm going to continue to disbelieve this and arguing over it really is pointless,

[Redacted] proves that you knew what a QT was before you asked about it in this thread therefore the noob-town read that people attained from that is incorrect.

Ok, about the alternate account thing, this is my first account ever on mafia scum.

About the Quick Topic, sorry, I didn't quite realize just what QT stood for at the moment, since I was working on something where QT meant something else and my brain just wasn't turning fast enough. After a bit, I did realize it meant Quick Topic though.

[mastin2]

Now, something which will likely need clarifying:
I likely won't be done on Friday.
Probably not, in fact. This'll take too much time to explain.
/
Though that doesn't mean I won't be giving content. While to explain all of my reads will take too much time to finish on Friday itself, I CAN post the scumslips I saw.
Understanding my reasoning will be hard, but I think I can pull it off.
Considering how rusty I am for this game size, I'm already pleased.
Krew vote likely won't be moving, though.

[evilpacman18]

Honestly? I forgot about that read.

Did I read this wrong or is it a scumslip?

VOTE: Elsa von Spielburg

Wow safe vote. Lynching alex tomorrow.

[Substrike22]

Hey everyone. Was at the hospital because my mom had surgery today, everything went smoothly and such. I've requested a replacement on the queue for Monk, but if you all know anyone, please send them my way... starts getting hard to find replacements around 20 pages of game text when you've already had 3. Tell them to PM me if interested! I'll have a votecount up tomorrow. For now I need to sleep.