[OLD] Open Setup Ideas and Discussion

[mykonian]

Synergy Mafia

Mafia

(3)

2x Mafia Goons
1x Mafia Godfather/Bulletproof/2-Shot Roleblocker/Role Cop

Town

(10)

1x

Cop

/Vigilante
1x Innocent Child/

Tracker

1x

Bodyguard

/Jailkeeper
7x Townies

~~

- Daystart
- Pregame, the Cop/Vig, IC/Tracker, BG/JK, GF/BP/RB/RC have to choose which role they'd like to be.
- Innocent Child (if selected) is announced at the start of D1 by the mod.
- GF has investigation immunity only to the cop.

Did town have a choice? Well, if they don't know that the cop is apparently less succesful then the vig, but that's all. Scum will have to pick Role cop just to avoid being killed by your dreaded combination.

It's really a shame hoopla, but choices don't really work. There is simply too much difference between the several roles.

[Hoopla]

This feels fixed-ish.

Mafia

(3)

2x Mafia Goons
1x Vigilante Disabler/2-Shot Roleblocker/Role Cop

Town

(10)

1x Cop/Vigilante
1x Innocent Child/Tracker
1x Bodyguard/2-Shot Jailkeeper
7x Townies

~~

- If the Vig Disabler is chosen by scum, it makes the Vig shoot blanks (essentially the opposite of an Enabler). If the Disabler dies, the vig can start shooting.
- Vig doesn't get told if their shot gets blocked or if they shoot blanks.

[mykonian]

is it worth it? Is it going to be played that often that you'll get your meta-setup-tells?

Is it going to be a better game then the ones already played?

[Hoopla]

is it worth it? Is it going to be played that often that you'll get your meta-setup-tells?

Is it going to be a better game then the ones already played?

- Perhaps not. It's more just an assurance it will stay workable if ran multiple times, as it self balances (with the right roles).

- I think we're lacking quality 3-scum Open games, so it has a market. Plus getting the choice pregame to be something you want is fun.

[Slaxx]

I still say vanilla cop or goon cop or gunsmith or something. Also, you could replace IC with vengeful townie and make vig x-shot or something. Or even better you could nerf IC by making it a friendly townie.

[Slaxx]

Disregard rePlacing IC with vengeful. I'm silly

[drmyshottyizsik]

To much WIFOM

[DarthYoshi]

This feels fixed-ish.

Mafia

(3)

2x Mafia Goons
1x Vigilante Disabler/2-Shot Roleblocker/Role Cop

Town

(10)

1x Cop/Vigilante
1x Innocent Child/Tracker
1x Bodyguard/2-Shot Jailkeeper
7x Townies

~~

- If the Vig Disabler is chosen by scum, it makes the Vig shoot blanks (essentially the opposite of an Enabler). If the Disabler dies, the vig can start shooting.
- Vig doesn't get told if their shot gets blocked or if they shoot blanks.

Why have the vig disabler, exactly? If I draw the Vig/Cop playslot, and I know there is a guaranteed protective role of some sort in the setup, I'm choosing Cop every time.

[Empking]

This feels fixed-ish.

Mafia

(3)

2x Mafia Goons
1x Vigilante Disabler/2-Shot Roleblocker/Role Cop

Town

(10)

1x Cop/Vigilante
1x Innocent Child/Tracker
1x Bodyguard/2-Shot Jailkeeper
7x Townies

~~

- If the Vig Disabler is chosen by scum, it makes the Vig shoot blanks (essentially the opposite of an Enabler). If the Disabler dies, the vig can start shooting.
- Vig doesn't get told if their shot gets blocked or if they shoot blanks.

Why have the vig disabler, exactly? If I draw the Vig/Cop playslot, and I know there is a guaranteed protective role of some sort in the setup, I'm choosing Cop every time.

But is that best play? (Tip: No.)

[I_Chew_On_Grass]

Pick Your Weapon Mafia

1 Mafia Goon
1 BP GF(guilty on cop results)
1 Mafia Role Cop

1 Jailkeeper/Janitor
1 Odd Night Vig/3 Shot Vig
1 Cop
7 Townies

Notes:

Before the game starts everyone who is town get a PM that looks like this.

Hello ________ welcome to Open _____. You are a member of the town. At this point you need to send me a PM telling me whether you want a Jailkeeper or a Tree_Stump and whether you want an Odd Night Vig and a 3 Shot Vig. After everyone submits there votes role PMs will be sent out. Have fun!

Mafia do not get to vote.
After all votes are sent in everyones roles are determined randomly and role PMs go out.
I felt this was a nice twist on a PYP type game. Plus I feel it may satisfy Hoopla.

Why I chose the Tree Stump

I figured it was a better option than an IC.

[CSL]

Innocent Child is confirmed town from the start. That means the town has one less person to search for scum.

The bodyguard can then defend the Inno from death Night 1.

[I_Chew_On_Grass]

Innocent Child is confirmed town from the start. That means the town has one less person to search for scum.

The bodyguard can then defend the Inno from death Night 1.

No! IC's choose when they want the mod to confirm them

[Empking]

Innocent Child is confirmed town from the start. That means the town has one less person to search for scum.

The bodyguard can then defend the Inno from death Night 1.

No! IC's choose when they want the mod to confirm them

Not always and not in Hoopla's set up.

[I_Chew_On_Grass]

Oh ok. Emp what do you think of my set up?

[Empking]

Oh ok. Emp what do you think of my set up?

3 shot vig is better than odd night vig everytime. (Too be honest though 12 players = bad in my book.)

[I_Chew_On_Grass]

Pick Your Weapon Mafia V2

1 Mafia Goon
1 BP GF(guilty on cop results)
1 Mafia Role Cop

1 Jailkeeper/Janitor
1 Odd Night Vig/1 Shot Day Vig
1 Cop
7 Townies

Notes:

Before the game starts everyone who is town get a PM that looks like this.

Hello ________ welcome to Open _____. You are a member of the town. At this point you need to send me a PM telling me whether you want a Jailkeeper or a Tree_Stump and whether you want an Odd Night Vig and a 3 Shot Vig. After everyone submits there votes role PMs will be sent out. Have fun!

Mafia do not get to vote.
After all votes are sent in everyones roles are determined randomly and role PMs go out.
I felt this was a nice twist on a PYP type game. Plus I feel it may satisfy Hoopla.

Why I chose the Tree Stump

I figured it was a better option than an IC.

[SigmaEXE003]

Pick Your Weapon Mafia

1 Mafia Goon
1 BP GF(guilty on cop results)
1 Mafia Role Cop

1 Jailkeeper/Janitor
1 Odd Night Vig/3 Shot Vig
1 Cop
7 Townies

Notes:

Before the game starts everyone who is town get a PM that looks like this.

Hello ________ welcome to Open _____. You are a member of the town. At this point you need to send me a PM telling me whether you want a Jailkeeper or a Tree_Stump and whether you want an Odd Night Vig and a 3 Shot Vig. After everyone submits there votes role PMs will be sent out. Have fun!

Mafia do not get to vote.
After all votes are sent in everyones roles are determined randomly and role PMs go out.
I felt this was a nice twist on a PYP type game. Plus I feel it may satisfy Hoopla.

Why I chose the Tree Stump

I figured it was a better option than an IC.

If roles are determined after people vote, how do mafia not get to vote?

[I_Chew_On_Grass]

Pick Your Weapon Mafia

1 Mafia Goon
1 BP GF(guilty on cop results)
1 Mafia Role Cop

1 Jailkeeper/Janitor
1 Odd Night Vig/3 Shot Vig
1 Cop
7 Townies

Notes:

Before the game starts everyone who is town get a PM that looks like this.

Hello ________ welcome to Open _____. You are a member of the town. At this point you need to send me a PM telling me whether you want a Jailkeeper or a Tree_Stump and whether you want an Odd Night Vig and a 3 Shot Vig. After everyone submits there votes role PMs will be sent out. Have fun!

Mafia do not get to vote.
After all votes are sent in everyones roles are determined randomly and role PMs go out.
I felt this was a nice twist on a PYP type game. Plus I feel it may satisfy Hoopla.

Why I chose the Tree Stump

I figured it was a better option than an IC.

If roles are determined after people vote, how do mafia not get to vote?

Because they are mafia...

[GreyICE]

Um Jailkeeper and Tree Stump aren't like really in the same plane. One's a fixed doctor+roleblocker, one's a VT with a little extra.

[I_Chew_On_Grass]

tree stumps are comfirmed and can't die...

[CSL]

But they lose their vote.

Which means if a treestump and two town vs 2 scum, and the treestump lost their vote, the mafia win.

[cjdrum]

Not to do with the setup, but always relevant:
"There" = That place, e.g. "Over there"
"Their" = Belonging to them, e.g. "Their votes"

"They're" = Short for "they are", e.g. "They're going to lose"

Okay that's my lesson for today. Extras may cost you.

[mykonian]

is it worth it? Is it going to be played that often that you'll get your meta-setup-tells?

Is it going to be a better game then the ones already played?

- Perhaps not. It's more just an assurance it will stay workable if ran multiple times, as it self balances (with the right roles).

- I think we're lacking quality 3-scum Open games, so it has a market. Plus getting the choice pregame to be something you want is fun.

Ok. (self balancing is a tad optimistic though). It feels slightly on the town's side, esspecially as they are the one's that have the initiative and as in any open there is little to no room for fakeclaims. But if you want a 13 player game in, this one is certainly decent.

[GreyICE]

tree stumps are comfirmed and can't die...

If they really were bulletproof innocent childs, that might be balanced.

[I_Chew_On_Grass]

Pick Your Weapon Mafia V3

1 Mafia Goon
1 BP GF(guilty on cop results)
1 Mafia Role Cop

1 Jailkeeper/BP IC(Receives a VT pm at the start of the game but at the start of day 2, if he wasn't lynched day 1, he is auto confirmed as town.)
1 Odd Night Vig/1 Shot Day Vig
1 Cop
7 Townies

Notes:

Before the game starts everyone who is town get a PM that looks like this.

Hello ________ welcome to Open _____. You are a member of the town. At this point you need to send me a PM telling me whether you want a Jailkeeper or a Innocent Child and whether you want an Odd Night Vig and a 3 Shot Vig. After everyone submits their votes role PMs will be sent out. Have fun!

Mafia do not get to vote.
After all votes are sent in everyones roles are determined randomly and role PMs go out.
I felt this was a nice twist on a PYP type game. Plus I feel it may satisfy Hoopla.

@GreyIce- I had that exact idea last night and came here to post it,,, but you said it!!!!