Into Africa - Over

[DeityKabuto]

I've done more in this game than you, DK. Far more.

I've had it with you and you make every game you're in horrible and not fun and I really want to enjoy the games I'm playing.

Sad, excuses. What I would do is work the opposite way from DK, but tbh. I really don't give a shit, this game is for everyone to enjoy, like it or not. If you have a problem then leave.

[Amrun]

;LKAJD;FAKLDSJF;LAKSD

[DeityKabuto]

;LKAJD;FAKLDSJF;LAKSD

Calm down. o.o

I am not here to ruin this game, I am simply playing like a speculator.

[earworm]

Re:FA's case on me (it starts about halfway through)--

I completely sheeped the Snarky wagon (first time). Totally. Everything I possibly could've said at that point of time had already been said. So I didn't say it. How is this scummy? As far as I see it, it is protown since I am reducing the amount of repetition and useless information people have to read.

I did not sheep Fate's case on you. If you believe that you are deluding yourself.

Why not do it in the same post?

Because it's Ranmaru? Never seen Ranmaru play before?

nope.

I'm also getting bad vibes from evilpacman, mainly for this post. Gonna put him on my watchlist.

Oh and FA is still scum. Latest exchange cements it in my mind.

You say I didn't take his point into consideration? That's right, I didn't. And that's because he didn't make one. he didn't say why that exonerates you and furthermore I'm not going to listen to ANY defenses based on meta. It's silly.

Oh and you see that last line? That's me calling you scum for other reasons, completely independent of your meta or any other excuses you or anyone else.

[elvis_knits]

earworm - do you think peregrine made a slip about the five scum thing? You were very helpful in pointing out where silavor got it from after the fact.

[earworm]

I'm getting there Elvis_knits.

I didn't think it was slip. Never did. That's why I didn't say "I agree with Silavor" or "Suspicious" or anything. I was simply flabbergasted that ZeL1nk didn't even see the point that Silavor was trying to make. I did want to see Peregrine's response to the "catch" though, so I refrained from actually giving much of my personal opinion about it.

[elvis_knits]

But you were helping out Silavor, soft-supporting him by showing others why he thought the 5-scum thing was legit.

If you thought it was BS I would expect you to say it was BS. I mean, you gave your opinion about the fakevig thing right away, so why was your behavior so different here?

[earworm]

The response hadn't been made yet unlike the fakevig.

[PeregrineV]

Peregrine: So is not posting much a scumtell?

It depends. Last game I was in with Lowell, yes it was. With PRat, obviously not.

Do you think that is something he does in any alignment?

(Hint: it is.)

Why would you base calling someone scum in this game based off of 1-game meta in another game (Cold War)? Do you think that is a sufficient reason to suspect someone?

Didn't call him scum. He was a scum pick.
Then you asked about a scumtell. A scumtell can be made by town or scum.

All I did was pick Lowell for less posts than me, along with 2 others.
As to whether it's sufficient, people vote others for way less, so it could be, yes.

Do you have a minimum criteria for suspecting someone of being scum?

[Amrun]

If it's based off of meta, then yes, I do have a minimum criteria.

[HezLucky]

CKD, one more time: (and this is it -- if you don't have any NEW questions after this response too bad)

Scum response to being daykilled before he flips: aw shucks guys I was a vanilla townie gl.
Town response to being daykilled before he flips: WAHT THE #$%#$? #$%#$%#$ IDIOTS ALL BURN IN HELL.

In other words, his response was devoid of the emotion that comes when you've been wrongfully killed as town (as scum, it's possible
it's a gambit so you make it look like you were town -- just like sometimes scum in twilight like to berate the town for lynching them,
the all high and mighty townie) -- only scum really have anything to gain by claiming.

You think I am scum now???!? Since when? What have I done that you deem scummy?

You're asking unnecessary questions (I'm just waiting for you to "catch me in a slipup" like you claimed before) and distracting me
from scumhunting (in fact, your consistent asking of pointless questions that have already been answered is distracting from the case at hand). I don't really care much for this exchange either.

he is scummy too??!? how? how is his play anti-town?..also I note he asked you questions that you ALSO did not answer.

How is his play not anti-town? He's claiming all over the place and pretending to be roles that he isn't (or he might be, who cares). In my day (2005-2006), we had something called lynch all liars. It's a good meta, and it's sad that it's gone away from the site now.

[LlamaFluff]

Vote Count

The buffalo has poor eyesight and hearing

snarky (4) - Llamarble, earworm, Fate, vezokpiraka
Flavour Analysis (3) - HezLucky, elvis_knits, DietyKabuto
earworm (3) - Altilysian, Ellibereth, Flavour Analysis
Amrun (2) - pappums rat, snarky
silavor (2) - evilpacman18, ZeL1nK
Ellibereth (1) - jilynne1991
HezLucky (1) - Lowell
elvis_knits (1) - Cirno
Lowell (1) - PeregrineV
DietyKabuto (1) - Amrun
ZeL1nK (1) - silvaor

Not Voting (4) - populartajo, Seacore, inHimshallibe, curiouskarmadog

With 24 alive it takes 13 to lynch
pappums rat is being replaced

[Altilysian]

This wasn't an overreaction to the questioning, but the fact that he decided to call me out on a nonexistent slip.

But could you not see why CKD thought that was a slip?

@Atil: I see you viewing for quite a bit. Do you have any new thoughts? How are your reads developing?

Sorry, I looked at the topic in the morning before work, but didn't have the time to respond.

Towny
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jilynne
Ellibereth
elvis_knits
FA
CKD
Cirno

Scummy
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Amrun
Fate
HezLucky
Llamarble
earworm

Not in order. Nullish for everyone else.

I find Amrun's posting scummy overall. Her posts seem unimaginative and as Snarky said, she just seems to follow the flow.

Elli, why is Amrun a town read for you?

First there's a whole catalogue of things that Alt DOESN'T find scummy. At first I was like, this is pointless, where is the scumhunting?

I find town reads just as useful as scum reads as they narrow down our lynch options and perhaps give us a better understanding of interactions.
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Okay reading some more, Amrun actually seems to be putting effort in now, but she does it after she got called out on it.

IGMEOY: Amrun

As far as I see it, it is protown since I am reducing the amount of repetition and useless information people have to read.

That's not pro-town. It's not like we're struggling with information overload here.

only scum really have anything to gain by claiming

What do they gain by claiming?

[silavor]

Hmm. Fine.

unvote

vote: earworm

The cases against earworm make the most sense to me right now. Having a vote on Ze's not doing anything productive anymore.

[Llamarble]

Okay, other games are twilight or nighttime. Here goes.

[DeityKabuto]

lolol Amrun is on my case in all my games, lulz, he is a bit kuku bananas

[evilpacman18]

I'm fairly certain my vote was on silavor already but

vote: silavor

[evilpacman18]

nevermind, he fixed it. or maybe I was looking at the wrong votecount.

[Seacore]

Mod: I've voted before, I'm pretty sure. But the vote wasn't counted.

That being said

Unvote. Vote Silavor

I don't love my company on the wagon, but that won't stop me from sitting there at this stage.

[ZeL1nK]

@Hez,

I just want to make sure... Are you suggesting that you can't possibly see any way that FA could be town after his claim? And what are you going to do if FA flips town?

You're asking unnecessary questions (I'm just waiting for you to "catch me in a slipup" like you claimed before) and distracting me
from scumhunting (in fact, your consistent asking of pointless questions that have already been answered is distracting from the case at hand). I don't really care much for this exchange either.

Are you actually going to do any scum hunting or are you just going to sit on FA all day explaining that he can't possibly be town while complaining that ckd is distracting you from finding scum?

[populartajo]

ok, writing my notes as i scroll down the pages until i get bored as fuck

page 1:
fate town,
jylinne being stupid as usual,
snarky scum for asking "How do you know Ellibereth is town?", oh elli sees it too,
wtf with the selfvoting.

page 2:

Vote: Flavour Analysis

You've got a broken sarcasm detector

scummy second vote after elli's vote.
not seeing FAscum "Quite the scumdar you have there, Llama." rings caustic town.

page 3

Who should I vote for if I want to look more town?
Snarky?

WTF IS THIS I DONT EVEN
im starting to like silavorscum after that easy vote on 54.
Yep 56 is FAtown not caring what others think of him.
Fate, dont be dumb, wrong null is a valid perspective.
amrum, wtf snarky rolefishing in page 1, how is FA trying to look town?

page 4
lolgambit is town, elli town, still thinking FAtown
earworm asking if it was a gambit rings me sincere, town.
hate amrum attacking easy target FA
same with fate

page 6
hate cirno voting fate for language in PAGE 6
evil's first post is surprisingly decent, town
peregrinev voting for random reason in PAGE 6, fos
hez saying flavour was not frustrated when he was "daykilled" is BS. scum

page 7
elvis first post is gold, but FA is not scum dear and i dont get silavor town?
cirno voting elvis is terrible
i hate hez "Your defense of Flavour Analysis is noted." it feels fabricated.
thx inhim for the valuable input in 163. NOT REALLY.
oh why CKD you had to start with the wall of quotes.

page 9
slip is clearly not slip but hez is still scum for

"Your asking me for an excessive explanation when there is obvious scum in the table is noted, though."

i hate these attacks

"As for noting, your attempt to drive a day one mislynch via a "slip" is noted."

AGAIN? THIS IS ENOUGH, I DONT NEED TO READ ANYMORE

Vote: Hezlucky.

actually, Deitykabuto is also scum for weak attacks, jumping to easy target, and for triple FOS stuck in RVS.

Also, all scums claim Vanilla Townie, it's a fact.

no
and Snarky as well

I beleive Ellis claim. I find him generally town, and DK is a good player to investigate, 'cause he is unanalysable,

i got boreed, ill skim other pages and scumlist in next post

[populartajo]

THE I TRUST YOU LIST
02 Fate
06 Ellibereth
12 elvis_knits
13 Flavour Analysis
16 evilpacman18
18 curiouskarmadog
24 earworm

NEED MOAR HUGZ AND READZ
03 jilynne1991
04 pappmus rat
05 Altilysian
07 vezokpiraka
08 inHimshallibe
14 Seacore
15 Lowell
22 ZeL1nk
23 Llamarble

SHADY GUYS
01 Amrun
10 HezLucky
11 PeregrineV
19 DietyKabuto
17 snarky
20 silavor
21 Cirno

GOGOGO HEZLUCKY WAGON

Vote: HezLucky.

[ZeL1nK]

Amrun, DK, Cirno are probtown. The rest of your shady list I'm OK with.

[populartajo]

Amrun, DK, Cirno are probtown. The rest of your shady list I'm OK with.

amrum why, dk why, curno why

[ZeL1nK]

Amrun has been looking more town to me in her recent posts. I've never played with Amrun-scum, but her reads/reasoning and the other things she's been saying lately make me think this is Amrun-town.

DK is DK. Honestly, he's a special case, and has special town tells for me. Aggression against aggressors (OMGUS and anger) is a town tell for DK - he legitimately thinks this is scum hunting, no joke. Although, this is a really weak town read for me right now. He's not playing obv-town like I've seen him be before, but then again, he's not getting as much pressure as he usually does (I think he gets lynched D1 like half the games he's in...)

Cirno is town for me based on gut.