Mini 1180: Game Over

[wierdalexv]

If I'm so obv-scum why are you not voting me?

And what makes me so obv-scum?

[TheWayItEnds]

Where did I ask you for a list, this is a legitimate question. Quote me to where I asked you for a list of everyone in the room, Protip: I didn't, not once, you're speaking out of your ass right now.

How about explaining reads, plural, on all the other players in the game. You know, the way town-sided players do to try and figure out who they can trust and eliminate suspects.

It's like you're trying to be the most obstinate person ever, regardless of how wrong you are.

[TheWayItEnds]

@TWIE: Alex and broken I get, but why is Mastin scummy?

Also: TheWayItEnds' reaction to pressure is really, really scummy.
Here's his response to everything
"You've got to be [REDACTED - NAUGHTY WORD] kidding me."
No, we're not kidding. Give me one good reason why the arguments are wrong.

@TheWayItEnds: Do you have any explanation to WHY the contradictions make no sense, other than just saying "You've got to be [REDACTED] kidding me"?

Don't ask me questions if you aren't going to read my posts.

[TheWayItEnds]

OMGUS doesn't make me look bad. It's the easiest way to degrade an argument before even reading into the argument, then I'm stuck having to justify my vote as something besides OMGUS, something it never was. It's an easy fucking out that I don't want to deal with.

So are you attempting to say that the main issue here is that you would have to justify your vote on solid grounds or reasoning, in what way is that an issue if you believe we're mafia? That's essentially saying - I suspect you but can't vote you because then I would have to actually come up with a reason!

Holy fu...
It's like you haven't read anything I've written.

If I point out that mastin's reasoning for WK scum happened after he was already pushing the wagon, and then go on to say that I would like to see the real reasons (if they exist). The only conclusion that I can come to from that is that I'm suspicious of the mastin push. That his push of the WK wagon looks like a scum push. That mastin could be scum.

Again, that's not making a conclusion, you're attempting to say your thoughts on Mastin relies soley on what he comes up with in relation to the WK wagon while completly ignoring everything else he's done in the game.

He comes in. He pushes people off of Iron and onto WK. He provides no reasoning for doing so. He eventually provides a reason for the WK wagon. But his reason occurs after he already joined the wagon. That's suspicious.
What the fuck did you want my conclusion to be? mastin is obvscum? You aren't going to get that yet.
You are going to get that mastin is my weakest scumread.

MR1.... You posted a meta case and called for votes because I wasn't "acting town enough". That's calling for a lynch as far as I see it.

Had you read what we actually said you would have seen: Prove my fos wrong if you are town, a legitimate defense would not be "irrelevant" to us. Basically what I want to know is "Why are you not being an active townie THIS game?" I don't care about previous games necessarily. They only serve to prove you are capable of better play as town. The fact you aren't helping out and you are able to is scummy. I'm willing to listen but you need to provide something worthwhile here.

No.
What you said was

We believe TheWayItEnds play this game is quite different from the proactive town play he has displayed in these games and at this point we think it justifies a vote.

Also, anyone who agrees with our vote on TheWayItEnds, please feel free to join us.

Which.... to me. Looks like Meta *checks* yep.
And a call for votes *checks* Yep.

[Soben]

It's like you haven't read anything I've written.

That's not a fucking reply. Saying shit like this doesn't get us anywhere in the game. You state the only thing preventing you from voting me is the fact it would be called an OMGUS this means that you're implying there's actual reasons or a case you can present against my slot which you continue to avoid putting forward. Not just that but you're openly admitting the case or reasons you have to put forward will be ignored due to an OMGUS callage meaning you're admitting the reasons are weak.

Which.... to me. Looks like Meta *checks* yep. And a call for votes *checks* Yep.

Are you honestly attempting to say that you believe the entire post where we state several times that we're not certain on your lynch and we want you to provide content to prove our read otherwise is irrelevant?

[wierdalexv]

OK then, show me exactly where you have answered this. I have read your posts, and I don't remember you explaining things at all.

Obvious stalling from questions is obvious.

[mastin2]

For the record, I'm building the case. I still say that posting it will give me Trauma.

Glimpse into it: I'm building the case of Alex on both sides--as town, and as scum. The town one is MUCH stronger. The scum one feels like an incredible stretch, using quite weak logic, compared to the very natural town one.
Another glimpse: I've determined that Yoshi and Ald aren't scum together. Yoshi and TWIE aren't both scum, either. When I post the actual case, I'll of course elaborate.

Additionally. TWIE has a lot being built up pointing to TWIE being town.

Now I'm of course not finished. I've essentially got to juggle three things:

1: Town Cases. If you guys keep on lynching/vig voting people I don't think are scum, I have to do this.

2: Scum Cases. What people want most, but honestly, not my highest priority.

3: Vote Tally. No offense to our mod intended, but I'm a spoiled guy who has been getting votecounts pretty much every page in my past games. So, I need to personally compile all the votes. Fair warning, I'll likely be posting this first, a few hours (perhaps a day) before I post the cases and it'll be almost completely Information instead of Analysis. The reason being, that once it's posted, I'll use it as the finishing touch IN my Cases.

I know, people want me to post the cases, but quite frankly, they're not even close to finished and I feel like a status update is better than disappearing for two or three days. (How long this'll likely take me to finish. >_<) The glimpses are my attempt to give people a satisfaction, to let them know that I AM working on it.

[MrBump]

...That's not a glimpse, that's just giving a read with no actual reasoning behind it.

Again.

[mastin2]

...Oops? I thought it had more reasoning in there.
(Also, wrong account, Bump.)

[jilynne1991]

Elsa von Spielburg (5): WormyKrew, Captain Corporal, Soben, DarthYoshi, brokenscraps

weirdalexv (2): Secret Project, mastin2

TheWayItEnds (1): weirdalexv

You guys, I honestly don't think we should be lynching someone that's on V/LA, though that's your choice.

Ok, I must have miscounted, though no one lynch anyone until Elsa gets back, do you not feel bad about vigging someone when their V/LA? That's like stabbing someone in the back.

[Soben]

Mastin, yeah I'm growing more and more impatient. I've supplied the reasons for why I beleive TWIE to be mafia which you stated you would respond to instead you continue to avoid doing so while repeating that you have a town-read on him.

[wierdalexv]

Mastin, yeah I'm growing more and more impatient. I've supplied the reasons for why I beleive TWIE to be mafia which you stated you would respond to instead you continue to avoid doing so while repeating that you have a town-read on him.

^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

I said that I was fine with you just posting what was in your QT.

Mastin, DarthYoshi is 100% correct. We NEED your case. I don't care if it's Mastin-logic, we need to see it. How hard is it to Copy/Paste what's in your QT?

[jilynne1991]

I'm moving so V/LA until Monday. Also, but I'll probably be in a horrible mood for the next week. God, I hate my parents.

[Secret Project]

ITT Brokenscraps totally reverses his read on elsa WITHOUT HER EVEN POSTING.
ITT Brokenscraps decides krew doesn't need to be lynched anymore WITHOUT THEM EVEN POSTING.
And ALEX. WHAT ABOUT ALEX (I'm literally using alex being obvscum as a way to get reads and it's quite effective) WITHOUT HIM EVEN POSTING you decide that elsa needs to be vigged more than him? When you had what was seemingly a null anti-town town read on her primarily? GTFO SCUM.

It's funny how you and krew are so hell bent on keeping alex alive past N1. If he was my partner I'd find him quite expendable. Or is he your PR...

unvote, vote: alex

unvote, vote: Brokenscraps

unvote, vote: krew

Yoshi, if I didn't have all 3 scum on lock already, your 715 would make me quite a bit more angrier than it currently is. And I moved my vig vote because you're not scum with him.

TWIE go back to lurking, I don't like reading your posts, they're so useless. BUT HE'S TOWN. Town doesn't rage at reads on them. You know what causes people to say "are you fucking kidding me" like 30 times when someone's building a case on them? Knowing for a fact that the case is THAT FUCKING STUPID. And it is. It really is.

[evilpacman18]

Scum doesn't rage*

[Substrike22]

Current Votecount: Post 764
6/15/11 10:13 pm PST
D 1.10

wierdalexv 2 TheWayItEnds, Elsa Von Spielburg
Soben 0
Elsa von Spielburg 1 Captain Corporal,
Captain Corporal 1 Alduskkel,
jilynne1991 0
TheWayItEnds 3 Soben, Brokenscraps, Wiredalexv,
DarthYoshi 0
Brokenscraps 0
Secret Project 0
Ironhead 1 WormyKrew,
Alduskkel 1 Darth Yoshi,
Mastin2 0

WormyKrew 4 (L-3) Mastin2, jilynne1991, Ironhead, Secret Project,

V/LA's: Elsa, June 12-19th
Jil, Monday the 20th


With 13 alive it takes 7 to lynch!

Not Voting: 0

Deadline is at 12:09pm PST, on June 25th.

[Secret Project]

Nice place you have on that TWIE wagon, alex.

[Secret Project]

This is embarassing...

...That's not a glimpse, that's just giving a read with no actual reasoning behind it.

Again.

[WormyKrew]

Wallofpostsyay
[quote="Soben"

Wormy - Why do you want Elsa vigged?

[/quote]
She is scummy. She is lurky. I agree with the case on her.

[WormyKrew]

Mastin, I think all everyone cares about is me and Ironhead. Wasn't the case supposed to be a week ago?

[WormyKrew]

@jil
Did you just claim

Day

vig?

[WormyKrew]

@SP
How am I defending alex?

[WormyKrew]

jily, why is your vote still on me if you think me town?

[WormyKrew]

I will be making an updated reads list. It would help if earworm decided to show up.
/rage
/wallofposts

[DarthYoshi]

@DarthYoshi: I don't think a lurker-lynch is a good idea. Let's wait and see what he has to say for himself first, and then decide after that.

One vote does not a lynch make. Nobody as yet has joined the wagon (though I don't know why). So I don't get why you're worried. In any case, it isn't like it's a recent thing that he's lurking--I've been saying for ages that Ald has basically been flying under the radar the whole game, plus, my case on Ald isn't simply "he lurks."

@DarthYoshi: Why is Alduskkel>WormyKrew? You seemed to have a lot more suspicion on WormyKrew.

Read my case on Ald.

As an aside, given the delicate nature of these two quotes from you in trying to cast doubt on my case on Ald, I'm pretty sure if Ald flips scum that you are scum as well after all, which would mean that Elsa is town. I know that's a lot of somersaults, but that ultimately means we shouldn't be vigging Elsa. So...

Un vig vote Elsa, vig vote Alex.

@SP: Why is Ald town to you?

Yoshi, if I didn't have

all 3 scum

on lock already, your 715 would make me quite a bit more angrier than it currently is. And I moved my vig vote because you're not scum with him.

Two big problems with this line--first, how do you know on D1 that there are three scum in the setup?

FoS: Secret Project.

Second, in your #746, I am on your town list. Not null, not scum. But lines like these aren't how I would imagine town interacting with town--I have no idea what about my #715 makes you angry.

I didn't want to do this, but I'm going to ask you guys to start signing all of your posts, because this kind of hydra schizophrenia is driving me bonkers. These sorts of discrepancies should be worked out in your QT before they ever make it here in the thread.

Finally, stop patting yourself on the back that you apparently called the scumteam on D1. My guess is you probably didn't.

Also, entirely unrelated, I agree with Mastin that more frequent VCs would be helpful.