A Gentleman's Game of Guile, Subterfuge, and Intrigue (Fin)

[imaginality]

ToastyToast and/or vezokpiraka, kindly remove your ballots from inHimshallibe as a matter of urgency.

with inHimshallibe's revelations, I now

pseudovote: ToastyToast

and unless we hear of counter-claims to inHimshallibe's claimed role, my pseudovote will become a full vote on the rogue forthwith.

[AurorusVox]

Pseudovote: ToastyToast

[vezokpiraka]

unvote

I'll vote TT if everyone is ok and we want to end the day.

[Hoppster]

However, inHim's cases seem to consist of simply several posts which he has interpreted in a similar way to how I have interpreted ToastyToast's.

THEN PUT YOUR BLOODY VOTE WHERE YOUR BLOODY MOUTH IS OR STFU YOU VILLAINOUS HEATHEN.

Conclusion: inHim scum.

(That's intent to vote inHim.)

???

I would have voted you were it not mylo, and I was indicating my willingness to vote as per AVox's very good suggestion.

Oh, I just reread Hoppster's case on both Toasty and I. LOL. He thinks we're both scum but is only going to hitch his horse to MY wagon?

OH. MY. GOD.

I am satisfied with either an inHim or ToastyToast lynch today. While I do have pangs of doubt over their alignment at times, my overall feeling is that they are both very likely scum (together).

???

Your hypothetically possibly wagon simply had more support, hence me only in the immediately-short-term announcing intent to vote you.

No pseudo-vote from me until we hear back from everybody.

I believe you can imagine why I shot from the gate attacking Sir Toast so fiercely, as I believe him to be the Kingpin of this group of Rogues and Rapscallions.

I don't follow how surviving a NK attempt paticularly implicates TT as head of the villains (or indeed a villain at all).

[AurorusVox]

The fathers of gods have been known to evade mere chunks of metal propelled by gunpowder.
Plus, if they're both town, fypov scumteam has to be Feysal-AV-Jily or [Feysal/AV]-Jily-Imaginality.

Now tell me if Toasty surviving a vig attempt makes him likely scum or not.

[AurorusVox]

As such, I would like to poll players opinions on Jily specifically, please.

Would still like this, gentlemen.

[Hoppster]

The fathers of gods have been known to evade mere chunks of metal propelled by gunpowder.
Plus, if they're both town, fypov scumteam has to be Feysal-AV-Jily or [Feysal/AV]-Jily-Imaginality.

Now tell me if Toasty surviving a vig attempt makes him likely scum or not.

I believe ToastyToast is scum, but I still do not see how surviving a NK attempt would lead one to directly believe ToastyToast is town. The surviving a NK-attempt is distinctly null for me (so I retain my scum-read on TT) but I am questioning how surviving a NK attempt led inHim to believe TT was scum.

If Godfathers are sometimes BP, okay, it is certainly a possibility, but that would not by any means be an automatic conclusion I would jump to.

I do not think surviving a NK attempt has any relevance to TT's alignment, as there are several possibilities. I still believe he is scum, but for people to believe he is scum simply for surviving a NK is both ridiculous and very suspicious.

Plus, if they're both town, fypov scumteam has to be Feysal-AV-Jily or [Feysal/AV]-Jily-Imaginality.

Now tell me if Toasty surviving a vig attempt makes him likely scum or not.

This in paticular is troubling me from your recent post.

If ToastyToast and inHim are town... so what? That hypothetical scenario has no relevance to the logic of how the failed NK supposedly implicated ToastyToast as scum, which was the matter at hand. Why are you trying to use this as an argument?

If inHim is scum, he's lying about his claim. That has no relevance to his alignment, I am merely stating a fact. It is not an argument in any shape or form for inHim scum or inHim town and I am worried about how you are trying to use this as an argument, as your thought process here does not seem like the logic of gentlemen.

I also do not like how you are trying to tell me who the scum-team should be from my point of view, paticularly when you are wrong.

inHim is not confirmed town by any means yet, and I am still suspicious of vezokpiraka who was only 'cleared' by a flavour cop rather than a normal cop (who explicitly determines alignment rather than flavour that

may

suggest one alignment).

As such, I would like to poll players opinions on Jily specifically, please.

Would still like this, gentlemen.

Town. Moreso than vezokpiraka in my opinion, bearing in mind lord_hur was only a flavour cop.

[ToastyToast]

Unvote:inHim

pseudovote:Hoppster

I can't be wrong about all of them. The lack of a hammer on inHim seemed very telling, but I could see scum not wanting to hammer inHim in fear that there was a vig in play. In this situation scum-team would be people who were not present at the time of the claim to quickly get inHim lynched. This means AV and imaginality are not likely scum.

OR vezok is scum godfather with an investigation immune quality.

Hoppster comes in and is liek "lolnvm its TT."
Jily could be scum but Hoppster is scummier. He's defending his votes

inHim was probably RB when he tried to kill me, which honestly sucks for town because now a lynch will be wasted on me and we'll lose the game :/. RB means inHim won't be able to shoot at night and town loses. I'm at a loss of words as to how to defend myself right now.

What if we no lynch? 4:3 is actually a better position to be in, is it not? That said they'll probably just kill imaginality....

[vezokpiraka]

Nope. They'll kill inhim.

If we lynch scum and inhim kills scum we're not in MyLO anymore.

That is the best way to go.

[inHimshallibe]

That was a smooth entrance, and I definitely don't want to punt anything away, but my gut tells me if there were a roleblocker, Gentlemanly especially, they would have claimed by now. Even a Villainous Roleblocker would find the lack of second kill too tempting to pass up a mislynch, methinks.



@AV: regarding jilynne, one of two things are occurring for her to be Villainous. 1) She and Imaginality planned this from the start OR 2) the scum have daytalk. I don't see new blood like her playing it this way as scum. I will review her case files yet again.



Since I'm out in the open, should we all reveal our occupations?

[Wraith]

Ballots shall be officially counted come nightfall.

[ToastyToast]

@AV: regarding jilynne, one of two things are occurring for her to be Villainous. 1) She and Imaginality planned this from the start OR 2) the scum have daytalk. I don't see new blood like her playing it this way as scum. I will review her case files yet again.

I don't think scum-jilynne=scum imaginality.

That was a smooth entrance, and I definitely don't want to punt anything away, but my gut tells me if there were a roleblocker, Gentlemanly especially, they would have claimed by now. Even a Villainous Roleblocker would find the lack of second kill too tempting to pass up a mislynch, methinks.

Wait, why would a roleblocker have claimed? That would get them lynched.

Since I'm out in the open, should we all reveal our occupations?

Given that I'm pretty much responsible for getting scum a cop and a vig, I'd rather not risk anyone else. I myself am willing to claim, however.

[imaginality]

I am still suspicious of vezokpiraka who was only 'cleared' by a flavour cop rather than a normal cop (who explicitly determines alignment rather than flavour that may suggest one alignment).

If ToastyToast is lynched and flips godfather, I'd regard vezokpiraka as absolutely confirmed.

I agree with the call for a mass claim.

[Wraith]

Votecount 3.2

imaginality

(0)

:

vezokpiraka

,

AurorusVox, PhD.

ToastyToast

(1)

:

inHimshallibe

inHimshallibe

(0)

:

ToastyToast

,

vezokpiraka

Not Voting

(7)

:

Sir Hoppster, Feysal, jilynne1991, imaginality, AurorusVox, PhD., vezokpiraka, ToastyToast

With 8 alive it shall take

5

to lynch the knave.

[vezokpiraka]

vote TT

[AurorusVox]

I still believe he is scum, but for people to believe he is scum simply for surviving a NK is both ridiculous and very suspicious.

Well, sir, that is hardly the only reason I find him to be a most inglorious rapscallion. It is simply the proverbial iced sugar on the fluffy sponge delicacy.

Plus, if they're both town, fypov scumteam has to be Feysal-AV-Jily or [Feysal/AV]-Jily-Imaginality.

Now tell me if Toasty surviving a vig attempt makes him likely scum or not.

This in paticular is troubling me from your recent post.

If ToastyToast and inHim are town... so what? That hypothetical scenario has no relevance to the logic of how the failed NK supposedly implicated ToastyToast as scum, which was the matter at hand. Why are you trying to use this as an argument?

I was simply stating that if both ToastyToast and InHim are town, then the scum reside in the {Feysal-Jily-(Hoppster/AV)} pool first and foremost, and I highly doubt that this is the case for you, and know it is not the case for me. If gambits are being bandied around then we may sub in Imaginality. Both of these you have distanced from by virtue of finding Jily to be a gentlewoman. You have, I will admit, retained suspicions of Vezo, which I did not account for. But I was not talking about the failed NK alone, I was talking about the left-over players, and combining

that

with the failed NK. Together, they are suspicious, and contribute more decisively to my suspicions of ToastyScum.

[Hoppster]

Hoppster comes in and is liek "lolnvm its TT."

Like, wtf are you smoking.

Immediately above my post, imaginality and AVox pseudo-voted you.

I did not (and made it clear I was not) pseudo-voting you.

Thanks for claiming scum in your pathetic stretch to attack me, though.

What if we no lynch? 4:3 is actually a better position to be in, is it not? That said they'll probably just kill imaginality....

hurr durr Hoppster is scum but I'm going to suggest a No Lynch anyway instead of lynching scum in a pathetic attempt to escape my scumlynch today.

Pseudovote: ToastyToast

No Lynch does not help in the slightest. They will just kill one of several people who are confirmed/near-confirmed, and we gain no information.

I still believe he is scum, but for people to believe he is scum simply for surviving a NK is both ridiculous and very suspicious.

Well, sir, that is hardly the only reason I find him to be a most inglorious rapscallion. It is simply the proverbial iced sugar on the fluffy sponge delicacy.

Aargh.

I was not talking about you specifically, I was talking generally. In this case it applies to inHim, who from what he posted, seemed to have been suspicious of TT solely because he survived.

[inHimshallibe]

Wasn't the sole suspicion, but I started looking and it made hella sense.

[Feysal]

So, we have another power role claim, probably legit too since there is a dead StrangerCoug to prove it. And apparently ToastyToast has survived the other kill attempt. I can see no more than the two conclusions already proposed that could be drawn from this, either ToastyToast is bulletproof and likely mafia godfather, or inHimshallibe was blocked. Since a bodyguard already flipped, I consider the likelihood of a protective role negligible.

So which is true? I thought about the implications of the mafia having a roleblocker, and some things don't make sense. If the mafia had blocked inHim, they must have suspected he was the vigilante, and when there was no second kill last night those suspicions should've been strengthened. Why then would they have wagoned inHim with everyone else, when the wagon was doomed to fail after inHim claimed? If they had reason to believe they had already neutralized the vigilante, they could have pushed for another mislynch without having to worry about the backlash.

As such, I would like to poll players opinions on Jily specifically, please.

I read through her ISO, and there are indeed enough things that raised my eyebrow to make a list of. The problem is that they could just as easily be interpreted as newbie tells or as suspicious. My read on her has been based on her exuberance, as most newbie mafia I've encountered have been lurkers, which she is definitely not. I continue to see her as town.

Jilynne seems to be the only one not to have posted after inHim's claim, but since she is currently on V/LA, we can't expect to hear from her until Monday.

I agree with the call for a mass claim.

Given how many non-vanilla roles have been revealed already, I don't see any harm in it. Should we do it in some specific order or what?

[imaginality]

I'd suggest popcorn-style (each person who claims decides who should claim next), starting with ToastyToast (since he's under most suspicion).

[vezokpiraka]

Yeah. Mass claim is good.

[ToastyToast]

I am a Most Proper but Unspectacular Man of Class (aka: VT)

Popcorn to...Hoppster

[Hoppster]

Most Proper but Unspectacular Man of Class.

Popcorn to Feysal.

[Feysal]

Most Proper but Unspectacular Man of Class.

Popcorn to AV.

[AurorusVox]

Hi guys, sorry I'm pretty busy this weekend (a pal has come to stay) so I'm going to be a low presence til Monday.

Most Proper but Unspectacular Man of Class.

Popcorn to Jily.