Into Africa - Over

[populartajo]

CAPS THOUGHTS

I AGREE WITH PEREGRINEV DYING.

SOMEONE PLEASE VOTE SILAVOR SO HE CAN CLAIM IN NEXT POST, OKBAYTHX

FATE NEEDS TO POST MOAR CUZ IM GETTING NERVOIS THERE AND I DONT LIKE IT

[elvis_knits]

@Elvis Knits:
Again, disagree. I told you my vote on him was semi-serious. The Jil FoS was due to a misunderstanding.

I'm not sure how many times we can say "I disagree" to each other on the same topics. I told you what I think, and you told me what you think. Hooray. I'd rather move on and disagree on new stuff then constantly rehash if we have nothing new to say.

I know that, that was why I asked. I didn’t like that you didn’t explain why you didn’t get the case on Earworm. You didn’t explain Earworm until your #322, and I have asked before and you only explained Earworm because Atil asked you. I feel if someone bandwagons a lot, they make it harder to read them because we can’t really see their motive except “trying to pressure people” from it. So Earworm and InHim falls into that. InHim always does that.

I was saying I didn't get the case on earworm because I didn't find him scummy at the time and I didn't feel people were explaining their reasons well enough or I didn't agree on their case and wanted more explanation. If you object to the way I went about trying to get people to talk about earworm, then... okay. I make every attempt to explain myself, so I'm kind of surprised that you feel I was not being transparent about earworm. If I didn't go through a long explanation with you right away it's probably because I felt it should be obvious.

In your #322, you say that Earworm is following ElliFate. Which wagon to you mean he was following? Define ‘voting moderately well’ please. Not quite, seeing as I have a question addressed to you about him. Almost though.

I was summarizing what I understood to be the case against earworm when I said he was following ellifate. Probably the votes on snarky and you. However, I didn't feel like these were necessarily bad votes, so that's why I felt he was still voting moderately well.

What question are you talking about? You're kind of losing me here...

Re: Sillyvore: See, I don’t like you attacking him now, since you DID have a town read. That gets at me. Now because of his dumbpostingz I have a null on him (because it can go either way, either town gambiting to catch opportunistic scum, or scum faking town motivation to avoid a D1 lynch), and my read on him will depend on what he does after this. I don’t usually look for people ‘slip hunting’ but it seems you and Amrun both do look for those things and I have seen her do this before so I think it’s legit in her case.

ARE YOU BEING DELIBERATELY OBTUSE?

I will go through this again.

Early game Silavor hadn't done anything scummy so I had a town read on him. Silavor did scummy stuff, so I questioned him about it, answers were bad or non-existent, so I changed my read. Where is the problem.

I will also cliff's notes Silavore's scumminess for you:
1)Pere names five scum suspects
2)Silavor goes "OMG ARE YOU SAYING THERE'S A 5-MAN SCUM TEAM?"
3)I ask if Silavor was saying Pere slipped.
4)Silavor tells me I'm twisting his words
5)I ask him to explain
6)He explains he was only WONDERING if it was a slip, not saying it was (tapdancing)
7)Silavor sees earworm wagon and jumps on without giving reasoning
8)I ask him repeatedly why he thinks earworm is scum, he never answers
9)Fate mentions Snarky; Silavor is all "YEAH SNARKY IS THE BIGGEST SCUM IN THE SCUMIVERSE" (even though silavor never mentioned snarky as scum before.)
10)Silavor comes out and says "lol all my scummy actions were me acting scummy on purpose to catch scum lol."

In case you don't understand why 10) is so scummy:
A)Town do not act scummy on purpose to catch scum. Because when you act scummy you are just as likely to draw attacks from town as well as scum. So it doesn't actually work. And meanwhile, you are distracting from the real scum. So it fails on two levels. IT IS NOT A STRATEGY THAT WORKS, AND NO TOWNIE COULD POSSIBLY THINK IT WOULD WORK.
B)It is a convenient excuse for scum who have been caught acting scummy. When all else fails and you can't think of a good reason for all your scummy actions, admit they are scummy and say you did it on purpose as part of some genius gambit to catch scum. Except that it's not a genius gambit (hint: see A).

[populartajo]

FA, EK, YOU BOTH ARE TOWN

STOP THIS WALLOTEXT MADNESS

PLZ

[elvis_knits]

Do you really think he's town?

[Amrun]

Elvis, you forgot that silavor apparently thought both snarky and earworm were town the entire time.

[elvis_knits]

This is my attempt at a sort. I'm not sure I'm completely happy with it, but it shows the general direction of my thinking, and I look forward to people helping me with it.

OBVTown

elvis_knit
populartajo
vezokpiraka - claim
evilpacman18 - townslip
Amrun
curiouskarmadog

Prob Town

Fate - (him and Elli have been downgraded from obvtown because they're not participating enough at the mo)
Altilysian - shows original thought, mostly but not all stuff I agree with
Ellibereth
ZeL1nk

Null

GreyICE - like his playstyle but he's being ridiculous saying evilpacman is scum, more ridiculous refusing to see Silavor is scum
jilynne1991 - VI
DietyKabuto - VI

LURKING/active lurking

HezLucky
Lowell
inHimshallibe - lack of reasoning on the sil wagon perhaps bussing
Cirno - contributions might be the worst in the game, not amused by her posts any longer

TOP SUSPECTS

Flavour Analysis - you know
earworm - did not like his participation in the 5-man scum slip thing, vote on silavor to save is bacon, now votes townevilpacman
Seacore - lack of meaningful contributions
Llamarble - lack of meaningful contribution, promise to look at top wagons + only looked at 1
snarky - rolefishing

NEEDS DEATH ASAP

silavor

[Amrun]

Lowell seems to be just straight up lurking, rather than active lurking.

[HezLucky]

Ugh. Halfway done my reread. It's going so slow. Half the posts are either fluff or walls.

I can either post what I have so far or finish. Probably going to finish unless I hear objections.

[elvis_knits]

Hey Hez, Silavor is scum.

[ZeL1nK]

elvis, how can you think vezok and pacman are town for their clams/townslips but not FA? pacman's 'townslip' was based on FA's zebra claim. Unless you're talking about a different town slip here. Like yeah, I can understand that you have problems with his play, but he's town.

On another note, I count 4 VT claims so far on top of a VT being day-vigged. That can't be a good thing.

And really... Why wasn't DK day-vigged?

[ZeL1nK]

ebwop: claims even, though I'm sure their clams are very nice.

[GreyICE]

elvis, how can you think vezok and pacman are town for their clams/townslips but not FA? pacman's 'townslip' was based on FA's zebra claim. Unless you're talking about a different town slip here. Like yeah, I can understand that you have problems with his play, but he's town.

On another note, I count 4 VT claims so far on top of a VT being day-vigged. That can't be a good thing.

And really... Why wasn't DK day-vigged?

Lets not debate which useless lurker the dayvig killed. DK and Lowell (OH LOWELL) can wait their turn.

[Amrun]

DK isn't a lurker.

[DeityKabuto]

elvis, how can you think vezok and pacman are town for their clams/townslips but not FA? pacman's 'townslip' was based on FA's zebra claim. Unless you're talking about a different town slip here. Like yeah, I can understand that you have problems with his play, but he's town.

On another note, I count 4 VT claims so far on top of a VT being day-vigged. That can't be a good thing.

And really... Why wasn't DK day-vigged?

I wasn't vigged because I am an obv. mislynch.

[ZeL1nK]

No, it's nothing to do with whether or not he's useless, GI.

Fact is, he's the only person who has claimed VT so far that has not claimed an animal, and he also tells us that scum always claim VT.

If any useless lurker needs to die, why not DK? At least pere hasn't been actively working against the town. Like, really,

Do you or anybody have an idea of who might have vigged the guy?

Vezok's Antelope claim was dumb, now scum know the VT role.

This guy was kept around? Really?

[elvis_knits]

elvis, how can you think vezok and pacman are town for their clams/townslips but not FA? pacman's 'townslip' was based on FA's zebra claim. Unless you're talking about a different town slip here. Like yeah, I can understand that you have problems with his play, but he's town.

I don't think pacman is town for his claim.

I think pacman is town because he hypothesized scum=humans. FA pointed out the mod says this game is "predator-prey." They both took this to mean all animals.

(Personally, I think we still don't know that humans aren't involved, because they can be predators. But that doesn't matter.)

What matters is that pacman made a speculation on who the scum are, and then became convinced he was wrong.

You're right that pacman and FA both claimed zebra though... I have to think about that.

WHY did pacman claim? Wasn't it for no reason?

[ZeL1nK]

I think in his mind, he was claiming to defend FA. Which does make me think it was indeed a townslip.

[silavor]

SOMEONE PLEASE VOTE SILAVOR SO HE CAN CLAIM IN NEXT POST, OKBAYTHX

How is this town? How is this town in any way, shape or form?

Moreover, I'm at 8 votes. It's 12 to lynch. Why exactly would one more vote make me even consider claiming?

[curiouskarmadog]

will update/post tomorrow evening, busy weekend.

[Cirno]

Some thoughts on the game.

-I don't think silavor is particularly scummy. I think the push to lynch him because he found 5 people suspicious is ridiculous. I disagree that any of his posts regarding that topic were particularly scummy. I think once again elvis_knits' summary of events is exaggerated, misleading nonsense.

-I think GreyIce's vote on Fate, presumably because Fate pointed out his attitude towards the day kill, is ridiculous.

-Amrun, Flavour Analysis, Diety_Kabuto are town, though I am killing the last tonight.

-vezok is mafia, doesn't do anything but wagon. Lynch him instead of silavor.

-evilpacman's vote on seacore was ridiculous. He votes and then confirms his vote on silavor without ever explaining why. Even his megapost fails to mention silavor at all. Yes, I realize evilpacman is no longer voting silavor.

My preferred lynches are evilpacman, vezok, and elvis_knits, in no particular order.


Disclaimer: I reserve the right to find my own behavior scummy if someone else does it.
Disclaimer: Disregard all claims of nightkilling DietyKabuto.

[Llamarble]

VOTE: Cirno

[Cirno]

That reminds me. You make a lot of votes without explanation like Vezok. Let me revise my list to evilpacman, vezok, elvis_knits and llamarble.

[elvis_knits]

Cirno, are you actually reading the game?

[Cirno]

Is it the antelope thing? I don't care about the antelope thing.

[Amrun]

How about the fact that no one evr, at any point, called silavor scummy for thinking 5 people are suspicious, nor does silavor find 5 people suspicious?