Into Africa - Over

[elvis_knits]

Llamarble explained nothing though.

[HezLucky]

GreyICE's random-ass vote on CKD is suspect. With no explanation given, I just have to assume he's protecting HezLucky.

Except I'm not scum. And CKD is.

Your vote needs to be on CKD.

[Amrun]

Llamarble explained nothing though.

He explained the "did I cause that?"

Llamarble, why did you ecourage a claimless hammer onnly to detract that after someone followed your advice?

[GreyICE]

Of course Snarky's NK speculation was gonna bring lots of attention to him. TBH, I can't see scum just throwing that out there and placing the focus on himself unless he was scum unreasonably paranoid that Zelink's comment was gonna explode into something bigger.

GreyICE's random-ass vote on CKD is suspect. With no explanation given, I just have to assume he's protecting HezLucky.

[inHimshallibe]

Sorry guys, I'm going to request replacement. Head never was in this. Llamafluff, I'll make it up to you.

[populartajo]

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[Flavour Analysis]

I didn't like Elvi's reaction to the final four votes. I do agree that Llama only seemed to care if he caused the commotion instead of yelling at Pacman for hammering.

Are you just trying to jab me? I don't see what you could possibly dislike. We had the last four votes of the lynch come down in 8 posts. That's 1/3 of the lynch. Don't you think that's strange?

We are not just trying to jab you. Your first post after that hammer and after the thread re-opened was this:

OK, I thought he was scum too, but:

WHY DID THE FINAL FOUR VOTES OF THE WAGON COME WITHIN 8 POSTS?

Evilpacman quickhammers without asking for a claim. I am toying with the idea that evilpacman's claim and townslip was to manufactured to confirm FA and himself. Not sure how likely it is... probably a paranoia scenario, but possible.

Not a fan of THIS:

DA FUCK?!

I hope I didn't actually cause that.

(Followed quickly but "I hope he was scum derp.")

This really feels like he knew Silavor was going to flip town, otherwise why worry about being responsible for evilpacman's quickhammer?

vote llamarble

Kk, so you say that you thought evilpacman was scum, but your reason for not thinking that is that the final four votes on the wagon came within 8 posts…? How does that in any way negate the fact that he is scum?

The final 4 voters were Vezo, DK, Fate, and Pacman in that order.

Vezo votes in #664, with no explanation. Then DK votes and actually asks silavor for a claim, and talks about there still being time until the deadline. Then next are Fate and evilpacman with no explanation. And its not like evilpacman didn’t know what he was doing, of everyone he was most culpable because he admits he wanted to hammer. You seem concerned over the fact that evilpacman didn’t ask for a claim, and that the four votes came within quick succession of each other; you say that its strange but you literally go nowhere with that thought and instead switch to llamarble, who wasn’t even on the wagon and thus obviously not one of the last 4 voters. You also post divert attention from evilpacman in the beginning with “I thought he was scum too but”, which infers you don’t think he is scum, but then you cast doubt on that very idea here:

Evilpacman quickhammers without asking for a claim. I am toying with the idea that evilpacman's claim and townslip was to manufactured to confirm FA and himself. Not sure how likely it is... probably a paranoia scenario, but possible.

Which allows you to keep suspicion on evilpacman, us, all 4 of the final voters on the silavor wagon whom you express concern about but apparently not enough to vote any of them or question them, AND then go for the vote on llamarble because his #676 apparently seems like he knew silavor was town. Explain to me his scum motivation for his #676 please.

And I’m also interested in how you note the 4 votes that lead up to evilpacman’s lynch, and llamarble’s post after the lynch, but not his post right before the lynch where he shows support for the evilpacman wagon but doesn’t vote and in fact asks questions of other players, which indicates to me that he didn’t actually anticipate that the Day would end so soon. That post taken WITH his post #676 seems like he wanted the Day to go on and didn’t expect or want to be the cause of an early lynch, so I disagree that he would have no reason to be concerned with causing evilpacman’s lynch as town. SO explain to me better why evilpacman is town, what is the significance of the final 4 votes coming within 8 posts, how it affects your reads on vezo, dk, fate, and evilpacman (who according to your #630 were obvtown, null, obvtown, and prob town), and most importantly how exactly llamarble’s #678 infers he knew silavor was town.

[evilpacman18]

What I hoped I had not caused was EPM's hammer.

Where was it implied that someone thought otherwise?

Mmmm... the votes on llamarble are getting worse and worse. Least favorite is definitely Snarky's. And this wagon looks set to build as quickly as silavor's.

Whose llamarble votes do you think are bad (besides snarky)? Why do you think llamarble is town and needs defending?

Also, nothing wrong with quick wagons, unless SOMEBODY QUICKHAMMERS. *COUGH COUGH*

silvaor (12) - ZeL1nK, Seacore,

elvis_knits,

populartajo, inHimshallibe, snarky, Lowell, Amrun, vezokpiraka, DietyKabuto, Fate,

evilpacman18

Lynch was equally your fault, if not more, since you sat there from when he was at L-9 until my lynch. Don't frame me. It diminishes your obvtowness

Basically everyone's vote besides yours was bad. So Seacore and ckd as well. One scum in ckd/Snarky/Seacore. Probably not Seacore but maybe I'm sheeping Fate. Not that that's bad, but I'll certainly think less of myself if it's the case.

Also the wagon on ckd is too good to be true. I can't see the scum on it being vezok cuz I don't want it to be cuz he's just unreadable and Fate/GreyICE is PROBABLY town v town which leaves Hezlucky, who I wanna say is town, but then that wagon has 4 votes on it and no scum. Basically where I'm going is either Fate or GreyICE is scum unless ckd is actually a scum lynch which I doubt because Snarky is a scum lynch and they're not scum buddies. Unless Seacore is the scum, which just throws all of this off.

hmm... EPM's reaction to getting slammed for the quickhammer seems townie...
UNVOTE:
@EPM: top three suspects please. You've spent a lot of the day defending yourself.

I'm getting bad feelings from both CKD and Hez...there's at least one scum in this pair. Leaning toward Hez, but it changes with every single post they make. :/

People that need to start playing the game=Llamarble and InHim.

Snarky's speculation is bullshit. Still don't think he's scum though. Same goes with Zelink.

Can we get a Lowell wagon going? He's lurker scum.

VOTE: Lowell

Since I mostly skimmed yesterday and don't wanna go back now, I'm starting here. So my reads are weak still but I have
one of Fate/GreyICE
one of ckd/Snarky/Seacore
and... that's about it. It's pitiful, I admit, but I do feel like I'm going places, and that's what I want right now. I can't say I like you but I've already lynched you enough recently to last me at least a week.
I'm also questioning a couple of my town reads but there's a whole sea of null that any of them will have to swim through before they get to scum.

[ZeL1nK]

So who on the ckd wagon actually thinks ckd is scum and why?

[Lowell]

Are people actually bailing on the llamarble wagon? Why?

[vezokpiraka]

So who on the ckd wagon actually thinks ckd is scum and why?

Fate because he's awesome.

[Flavour Analysis]

Earlier I recall Pacman making a related statement. What do you think of this

Wait, are you comparing pacman making a WIFOM prediction D1 to Snarky saying he was framed and

it just

looks like

he's scum because he had every reason to kill Elli last night

?

These aren't similar at all.

The underlined is wifom too.

Btw Zelink, besides Hezlucky, who do you feel is scum now?

You said you were going to re-read, how is that going?

[DeityKabuto]

Are people actually bailing on the llamarble wagon? Why?

Why not?

[elvis_knits]

Llamarble explained nothing though.

He explained the "did I cause that?"

Llamarble, why did you ecourage a claimless hammer onnly to detract that after someone followed your advice?

Claimless hammer is only bad if silavor is town though. So I don't feel like anything llamarble has said makes that any better.

Also, he hasn't done really anything helpful this game. All he's done is offer a bunch of lame excuses and sheep.

[elvis_knits]

FA - stop with the wall of death posts please.

1) I never said I thought evilpacman was scum. I thought silavor was scum. That's who I was referring to, obv.

2) I still think the final four votes on silavor coming in 8 posts is weird. But I guess I'm not sure exactly what to do with that. I still think it's weird and we have to remember that, and maybe come back to that if anyone can come up with something. Of the final four voters, vezok seems VI, DK is VI, Fate is unpredictable, and evilpacman did a WTF. So maybe it was just the perfect storm... I can't really explain it. vezok and evilpacman seem prob town to me because of claims/slips. (If you can't understand why, read my posts, because I have explained it). DK is DK, he could be scum or town. Fate I had a town read early, but he hasn't done much in a long time, so I'm not as sure about him either. Although Fate's intention seemed to be to vote silavor to push a claim for him and move the game along, not to quicklynch. I don't know, the whole thing is a MESS for me.

3)llamarble was not part of the final four votes, but he had voted silavor earlier (then jumped off after I said he could be a possible scum on the wagon). Then he posted his intention to hammer silavor, and his urge to quickhammer. So even if he's not on the actual wagon, he might as well have been.

4) I can't believe you don't see how scummy llamarble is, but I will explain again for you.

Look at these two posts. Here llamarble says he wants to hammer silavor, and expects silavor to fakeclaim. He is so sure silavor is scum that he doesn't even want silavor to claim.

Tempted to just quickhammer Silavor before he fakeclaims. "I was purposely stupidposting" reminds me of BGG, except Silavor is not bgg.
Why purposely stupidpost?
That wall smells of scumwall. Grey why is he town again?
Sketchy wagon should count against him not for him since if there aren't CWs scum are likely bussing.

Then evilpacman quickhammers, and this is llamarble's reaction:

DA FUCK?!

I hope I didn't actually cause that.

If llamarble was so sure silavor was scum, WHY feel guilty about causing a quickhammer? He got exactly what he wanted -- silavor was lynched without claiming, and suddenly he feels bad about it?

It's totally scummy whatever his motivation.

As speculation, the whole things looks like llamarble was setting us up to discount any claim that silavor might make and push the lynch through regardless. I don't think he actually intended to quicklynch silavor. But then evilpacman did quicklynch silavor and llamarble went "Oops," now they're going to blame me when silavor flips town." Except only scum would know that silavor would flip town.

[GreyICE]

Are people actually bailing on the llamarble wagon? Why?

You've read like 3 pages of the game, shut up and get vigged like usual.

[populartajo]

ok, time to fix this shit

VOTE: evilpacman

VOTE: evilpacman
yep. still scum.
Explain that hammer.

easy as fuck votes, evil is a total derp but clearly not scum for even day 1, one of amrun and earworm is DEFINITELY SCUM.

elvis is right and town about llamarble being scummy as hell in the last votes of day 1.

DK overdefensiveness is bothering me in the bones.

I TOTALLY DONT GET THE CKD HATE WHEN WE HAVE THESE THINGS FROM HEZ AND IM PRETTY SURE THEY ARE NOT SCUM TOGETHER:

I'm a lazy mofo.
Done half + a bit of the reread.
But I already knwo who I'm voting for.
Vote: curiouskarmadog
Will complete my reread and see if anything changes, though.

^hasnt even completed reread yet votes for ckd

wallotext was a bunch of fluff and fuck

Yep CKD is scum.

not sure if serious

little shiny wagon on ckd (hez, greyice, fate and vezok), besides hez who is the scumbag in this group?

FA is still town, so I guess his lame wagon d1 is good surce for scumzors

mm... EPM's reaction to getting slammed for the quickhammer seems townie...

ok, earworm is scum too.

[populartajo]

Vote Count

curiouskarmadog (4) - GreyICE, HezLucky, Fate, vezokpiraka
Llamarble (4) - elvis_knits, Seacore, curiouskarmadog, Lowell
HezLucky (2) - Flavour Analysis, ZeL1nK
evilpacman18 (2) - Amrun, earworm
Fate (1) - Cirno
elvis_knits (1) - DietyKabuto
ZeL1nK (1) - snarky

Not Voting (5) - evilpacman18, populartajo, inHimshallibe, jilynne1991, Llamarble

With 21 alive it takes 12 to lynch

FUCK THE CKD WAGON, LETS DO THIS.

VOTE: HEZ

[Fate]

I CANNOT REFUSE THE LLAMA AND I DONT REMEMBER ANY OF HEZ' POST THIS GAME

UNVOTE:
VOTE: HEZ

[Fate]

So who on the ckd wagon actually thinks ckd is scum and why?

Fate because he's awesome.

(vezok I said he was town shhhhh)

[HezLucky]

Vote Count

curiouskarmadog (4) - GreyICE, HezLucky, Fate, vezokpiraka
Llamarble (4) - elvis_knits, Seacore, curiouskarmadog, Lowell
HezLucky (2) - Flavour Analysis, ZeL1nK
evilpacman18 (2) - Amrun, earworm
Fate (1) - Cirno
elvis_knits (1) - DietyKabuto
ZeL1nK (1) - snarky

Not Voting (5) - evilpacman18, populartajo, inHimshallibe, jilynne1991, Llamarble

With 21 alive it takes 12 to lynch

FUCK THE CKD WAGON, LETS DO THIS.

VOTE: HEZ

Oh look, typing in all caps is supposed to make me scared.

Tajo already got silavor wrong. How many more does he need to lynch before this scumbag hangs?

Reasons would be appreciated. But noooooooo. LET'S NOT LYNCH CKD THE SCUM. RATHER LETS LYNCH HEZ WHO ISN'T SCUM.

Great idea numbnuts.

[Fate]

Lolscum

"Tajo was wrong before so he MUST be wrong now!"

Town don't react "is that supposed to make me scared?"

ONLY SCUM GET SCARED IN THIS GAME ANYWAY

SO WHAT WILL GET YOU SCARED SCUM?

[vezokpiraka]

Oh gosh.

You super overeacted as scum caught for wrong reasons.

unvote
vote hez

[Fate]

Now THIS wagon feels good

[GreyICE]

Vote: Fate

Why the fuck did I stop doing this?

Vote: HezLucky

Because Fate's bussing again. Obv.