Into Africa - Over

[Llamarble]

Huh, that is a pretty good list.

Yup Snarky is town.

Back to DnD.

[Amrun]

Grey - can you better demonstrate why vezok is scum?

Is anyone else made as uncomfortably as me by llamarble's explanation of "lionscum?"

Dislike llamarble's and snarky's excuses for poor content.

Atilysian is town - her thoughtprocesses are totally transparent and I do not understand the suspicion cast on her.

I feel townish about Seacore but it is not a particularly strong feeling. There are much better wagons that could be happening right now, like Snarky and Llamarble or even ckd.

Grey, I totally dislike using "wanting to lynch ckd" as a scumtell. It is one thing to sk hunt and totally another to discuss the utility of lynching one that has been handed to you on a silver platter.

I am also ambivalent about Grey; he is null right now, but I do trust his ability to read vezok.

[LlamaFluff]

Vote Count

The Chinese once used lions for hunting. The cats were trained to pursue and kill animals such as bulls and bears.

Seacore (6) - Flavour Analysis, DietyKabuto, elvis_knits, Calcifer, Altilysian, evilpacman18
GreyICE (4) - ZeL1nK, vezokpiraka, curiouskarmadog, snarky
Cirno (2) - GreyICE, Llamarble
vezokpiraka (1) - populartajo
evilpacman18 (1) - earworm
curiouskarmadog (1) - Cirno
Llamarble (1) - Lowell

Not Voting (2) - Seacore, Amrun

With 18 alive it takes 10 to lynch

curiouskarmadog and earworm are V/LA until the 3rd

[vezokpiraka]

V/La from the 4th to the 9th

I don't understand the seacore wagon. Can someone explain?

[Seacore]

Altilysian – My gut reaction was that he was posting a lot of reaction and questioning, but little of substance, and therefore that he was scummy. But a stronger read doesn’t confirm this. There’s some concrete stances in there, so that pushes it towards town. Still, my gut reaction hasn’t gone away, but I’m going to go with analysis this game and say Town.

Amrun – Town read. Strong stances, good questions, doesn’t stay quiet about wagons that she disagrees with.

Calcifer – I could see Calcifer as a Hez buddy. Quick hammer, doesn’t voice any possibility that Hez might be telling the truth, that maybe there are two scum teams, not 1 + SK. If CKD is an SK, then I think Hez got unlucky with his fake cop, and Calcifer put him out of his misery. Scum read

Cirno – Seems to make a genuine attempt to cut through the bullshit and actually seek answers, town read

CKD- Claimed Hyena in a game that’s shortest advertisement read “A predator vs prey game” Enough said.

DK – Frustrating to read because he doesn’t seem to add anything to the game. Odd questions, random stances. Null

Earworm – Reads as town to me, but that could be because I agree with most of his comments.

EK – Read as town, but I always read strong confident players as town, haven’t seen anything to make me doubt this though.

Evilpacman – I can’t tell whether he’s a bad player, scum or bad scum. On my ‘will lynch’ list for some seriously bad posts. Like trying to score browny points for my current wagon because he made a bad case against me D1.

FA – Feels like scum. A lot of the pointed questions feel like trying to get other players to make cases on his targets, or alternatively getting other players to go defending other players. Maybe I just don’t like the style, but it reads as scum to me.

GreyIce – Apart from GI’s predictable rage against fate, he’s playing one of the strongest town games I’ve seen him play in a while. I just finished a game where we were both town and I’m getting the same vibes off him.

Llamarble reads like he’s coasting, and that could really be either, so I’ll go null for now

Lowel is much the same, except that it just feels so much more opportunistic. Scum read.

Tajo – Reads as town based on his reaction to yesterday’s lynch and claims.

Snarky reads as scummy as all get out, but jumped off my wagon at the worst time for scum. So, if Snarky is scum, I think a bunch of people on my wagon must be. I say this without looking at the wagon make up at the time that snarky jumped off, so I’ll go and have a look after this is done.

Vezok – I can never read vezok, always plays the same. The early claim doesn’t change my lack of read either. I’d be happy for a vig here, we’re not going to get a scum kill

Ze – Reads as town despite the fact that I disagree with a lot of his conclusions.

So what’s that bring my reads to
Lowel,
FA
Calcifer
Maybe Snarky
And then of course CKD.

I"m going to do a little more reading and I'll post a vote.

[Seacore]

Oh and add EP to my list as well, missed him in my quick read over.
So that brings Snarky back into the game. With both FA and EP on my wagon, snarky may have felt that there was too much scum on my wagon and jumped off.

Also, my answer to the question of why I didn't mention Hez remains the same. I was skimming. I saw the claim of Hyena. That really ended the discussion as far as I was concerned.

unvote. Vote evilpacman

[DeityKabuto]

Unvote
Vote Vote evilpacman

[Seacore]

Btw Seacore, why haven't you ever explained this before ToDay?

My guess would be because it only just came up?

[DeityKabuto]

Hmm... Seacore is the main wagon, his vote is on evilpacman18 who has a vote on Seacore, Seacore where are you getting at?

If you flip town, do you think he's scum?

[Snarky]

So that brings Snarky back into the game. With both FA and EP on my wagon, snarky may have felt that there was too much scum on my wagon and jumped off.

Miam, speculation by confirmation bias is awesome.

Altilysian – My gut reaction was that he was posting a lot of reaction and questioning, but little of substance, and therefore that he was scummy. But a stronger read doesn’t confirm this. There’s some concrete stances in there, so that pushes it towards town. Still, my gut reaction hasn’t gone away, but I’m going to go with analysis this game and say Town.

There is something odd in that read... Why feel the need to mention something that you say yourself is wrong?

GreyIce – Apart from GI’s predictable rage against fate, he’s playing one of the strongest town games I’ve seen him play in a while. I just finished a game where we were both town and I’m getting the same vibes off him.

You've got a meta battle with ZeL1ink. The winner will be the one who proves his point with a GI-scum game

Hmm... Seacore is the main wagon, his vote is on evilpacman18 who has a vote on Seacore, Seacore where are you getting at?

If you flip town, do you think he's scum?

Where are YOU getting at? And wtf is this question? Just a reminder your vote is on pacman too, so you should know where he's getting at!... I'd say DK-scum this game.

Is anyone else made as uncomfortably as me by llamarble's explanation of "lionscum?"

No, not really, it makes sense, why are you uncomfortable about it?

[Amrun]

Also dislike Snarky's buddying of ZeL1nk.

[Cirno]

I think DK's questions are just an attempt to not get scavenged, similar to this post.

Also, by my count, Calcifer is eligible to scavenged and CKD is back today.

[Snarky]

Amrum: where do you see buddying and why don't you answer my question?

[earworm]

Back from v/la. Real post tonight.

[Amrun]

Eh I want to reconcile with you Zelink.

unvote vote GreyIce

Or does that piss you off?...

No seriously your case convinced me. And Seacore is acting townily since the wagon started.

I should never join a large game again... I'm just too confused to get proper reads, cause there are too many people and too many pages, and that kills my envy to catchup so I'll just jump on the shiniest wagon until there are fewer players alive (or I die).

No no I know what I'll do, I will just start playing actively without rereading, I might be more useful like that...

This post is a good example of your buddying and your excuses.

What question?

[Snarky]

Buddying no. It was a joke, if you didn't realize, based on this:

Also, any wagon Snarky jumps on, I'm automatically going to second guess.

The question is this:

Is anyone else made as uncomfortably as me by llamarble's explanation of "lionscum?"

No, not really, it makes sense, why are you uncomfortable about it?

[DeityKabuto]

I'd say DK-scum this game.

I am town and you are over-analyzing.

[Amrun]

Yes, it was a joke... Joking is a form of buddying, especially in that context.

I don't think llamarble's explanation makes sense. I didn't assume all the scum were lions; Llamarble apparently did, which isn't ENTIRELY unreasonable, but when I asked him about it, he denied it in a way that doesn't make sense and seems like backtracking. It makes me think all the scum ARE lions and that Llamarble is one of them.

[Snarky]

Nope it makes sense, llamarble did only use lionscum when he talked about CKD, and it is a resonable statement to make because CKD bussed Hez all day long, thus it is improbable they are on the same scumteam.

And wtf why everyone thinks joking is a scumtell. This is a game. I want to have fun. Period.

[Snarky]

DK: you are scum because I have yet to see your aggressive play and your walls of text.

[Calcifer]

Don't scavenge while I am on V/LA >.>

[GreyICE]

We could do worse than EPM. Still think there's a good chance we can do better.

[Amrun]

I still don't get how it makes sense.

And all joking is not a scumtell. It depends on context.

[Snarky]

Well you won't convince anybody it doesn't make sense by saying that...

Then what is that context that makes it scummy?

[ZeL1nK]

FA – Feels like scum. A lot of the pointed questions feel like trying to get other players to make cases on his targets, or alternatively getting other players to go defending other players. Maybe I just don’t like the style, but it reads as scum to me.

That would be his style.

GreyIce – Apart from GI’s predictable rage against fate, he’s playing one of the strongest town games I’ve seen him play in a while. I just finished a game where we were both town and I’m getting the same vibes off him.

Elaborate on this. Would help if you directly respond to the points I've mentioned about GI while you elaborate.

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Anyone who's saying they think CKD-Hyena is SK, I want an explanation for why you think he's a gimped day-killing SK with a restriction on who he can actually day-kill. Do you think he's lying about his restriction? Also why do you think he so confidently claimed Hyena?

Re: llarmable and "lion-scum", he really was only suggesting that if CKD is scum, he's not scum with Hez. Although he later suggests CKD isn't mafia. I personally am assuming this is lions v everyone, so I don't really have a problem with this, anyway.