Into Africa - Over

[Cirno]

>ZeLink
>I want an explanation for why you think he's a gimped day-killing SK with a restriction on who he can actually day-kill. Do you think he's lying about his restriction? Also why do you think he so confidently claimed Hyena?

I don't necessarily think he is a sk, but I do not believe he is town-aligned. I believe this because Hyena does not fit in with any of the town flips or the flavor so far. Don't know if he is lying about his restriction.

I want an explanation for why you think CKD is a gimped day-killing vig with a restriction on who he can actually day kill.

[ZeL1nK]

Because I am entertaining the idea that it's it's lions vs everyone and the Hyena role was designed to look suspicious.

If it's not lions vs everyone, I think it could be a Hyena team that doesn't have a night kill. But then I ask myself why he would claim Hyena if that were the case.

Also, I'm just reading him as town and I don't see him being a SK. Unless he's a day-killing SK lying about his restriction for WIFOM reasons. At the very least, I think he's a stupid lynch today. And you should really consider putting your vote somewhere it actually matters.

[Seacore]

I think there is plenty of space in the concept of "CKD-Hyena" is not-town than is just "SK". He could be another scum team that is balanced in a different way, or any number of third parties... and I see Cirno has basically just said the same, very good. I've played around with other scum teams, gimping them in some ways but giving them bonuses in others, I see no reason why llama couldn't do so .

I agree with the interpretation of lionscum. I think it can only be viewed as a slip "IF" you think he meant "the scum team that is all lion" and IF that scum team actually exists and he's on it. There's too much IF there when a simple "allied with Hez-lion" is an easier explanation.

I'll look into the GI thing and the specific case in a bit.

[Seacore]

Because I am entertaining the idea that it's it's lions vs everyone and the Hyena role was designed to look suspicious.

Well stop entertaining the idea, because

Into Africa, a 24 player

preditor-prey

large theme is underway [0] replacements needed

How does a combined antelope-hyena team = predator-prey?

[ZeL1nK]

I'm not looking too much into "predator-prey" meaning Hyena is necessarily scum. I mean, looking at game flavour alone:

A old threat has emerged a new, and it will take many different creatures working as a collective to defeat it.

That suggests to me "it" is a single scum faction. But I'm not going to argue it any further with what little information we have.

Do you think he's part of a scum team? Or do you think he's SK? What are your thoughts on lynching him today?

[Seacore]

I agreed with ending the flavour argument.
I don't think he's part of Hez's team.
I think he's likely not town and thus it'd be good if he died.
I don't want him lynched today unless we get truly desperate.

[Seacore]

EBWOP: I mean I agree with ending the flavour argument. (Present tense, not past tense)

Also, apologies, buy I missed that there had been a scavenger kill each day, I thought we'd only had one D1. That's what I get for catching up via ISOs.
I'm even more happy to leave CKD alone at this point and see how the scavenging proceeds. So far he either has to keep getting rid of lurkers or we catch him in a lie, so yay for us.

[ZeL1nK]

He's already said he's not scavenging anymore, unless 'everyone comments on it'. I assume he means unless there's a general consensus.

Also, any comment on the 'scavenging' thing. Or do you think Hyena is a 'scavenger' and a 'predator'?

As for pacman, why do you think he's more likely scum than bad? Or is the possibility of 'bad scum' the reason you're voting him?

[Seacore]

Well, I think that Hyena, if scavenging is neither predator nor prey, thus the third party argument... but anyway, moving on.

It's hard for us to comment on his kill ability when we don't know the mechanic, but I understand why he hasn't revealed exactly what it is.

Since we've been successful in killing a scum, I'm open for him scavenging freely for at least another day. It'll help obtain a better read of him. Worst case we lose some level of lurker.

As for pacman. My inclination is that he's scum. But again, this may be because I hate the "too scummy to be scum" defense.

[ZeL1nK]

CKD has revealed exactly what it is. #951 - he said he's a town-aligned day-vig with a restriction that means he can only day-vig people who haven't posted for 72 hours. Or are you talking about something else when you talk about the "mechanic"?

I don't actually think pacman has done anything scummy. Bad play, yes. Not scummy, though. Although.... Reading back through his ISO, he did say yesterday that he thought one of Fate/GI is scum, and given the Fate-town flip, I would have expected him to at least give some indication that he thought GI is scum. Plus he pretty much active-lurked through D2. I'll look at his ISO properly some time soon, but I kind of overlooked him D2 and D1 I got town vibes from him (even if his posts were bad).

[Cirno]

Why are you so intent on defending CKD when no one is actively attacking him?

[ZeL1nK]

I'm... not...?

I called him a bad lynch today. I said move your vote to somewhere it will actually be doing something.

[Seacore]

>ZeLink
...
I want an explanation for why you think CKD is a gimped day-killing vig with a restriction on who he can actually day kill.

Why are you so intent on defending CKD when no one is actively attacking him?

One of these things is not like the other

One of these things doesn't belong.

[Cirno]

>Zelink
>I'm... not...? I called him a bad lynch today. I said move your vote to somewhere it will actually be doing something.

Prior to 1074, CKD discussion had already died down. You started it up again. I'm asking why you felt the need to do so.

@Seacore: All I did was take Zelink's line and replace 'sk' with 'vig'.

[ZeL1nK]

tbh, #1074 was all in response to Seacore's big read post, but it was a general question since almost everyone seems to agree CKD is scum of some sort.

[Seacore]

I know what you did Cirno, it just seemed out of place that you were asking him to defend his stance and then asking why he was defending it

Now that you've put a time context on it, it stands out less.

[DeityKabuto]

Who should I vote now o.o?

[Seacore]

Wait 72 hours before posting again, in that time I'll have come up with a solution.

[ZeL1nK]

96 hours for good measure

[populartajo]

I isolated both seacore and vezok.

Can everyone, specially those voting seacore, tell me why are you prefering seacore to vezok?

[curiouskarmadog]

I am back in town, though I dont know why mod had me gone until 07/03...will not be able to get to this until tomorrow.

fyi, will be away from comp afternoon 07/01 until evening 07/04, though I dont think I will be back here until 07/05

[Altilysian]

I isolated both seacore and vezok.

Can everyone, specially those voting seacore, tell me why are you prefering seacore to vezok?

Tajo, how do you feel about Vezok's early antelope claim?

[Amrun]

Snarky: the obvious "don't lynch me bro" context.

[Seacore]

I isolated both seacore and vezok.

Can everyone, specially those voting seacore, tell me why are you prefering seacore to vezok?

The real answer will be "Seacore should know better"

[DeityKabuto]

Unvote

Until someone can tell me who to place a vote on..