Into Africa - Over

[Cirno]

>ckd
>are you saying you dont agree with my case against Grey?
Wasn't really commenting on your case. But assuming that 1125 is your case, then yes, I disagree with it.

>do you think he is town? why?
He goes back and forth with me. I don't really care if he is lynched or not, but his lynch would be interesting, information wise.

What is your win condition?

[elvis_knits]

Scummiest (active):
Seacore (happy he gave reads and seems to be participating a lot more, but I don't agree with his reads)
Earworm
GI (his jump-ship from CKD to Hez was really bad after I looked back at it, likely bussing)

Something I notice about the above players is that they're going after people who prob aren't scum, like EPM or Vezok, or lurkery people who might be scum but it's based mostly on a lack of doing anything useful than actual scummy actions.

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Scummiest (lurkery):
Lowell
Calcifer
DK

These people continue to disappoint, and may be scum, but they bother me less than the first group. I think these people should be vigged if/when possible.

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Regarding CKD and the hyena flavor thing. I think he might be vig, might be SK, but I don't think the flavor condemns him. I mean, what flavor would you expect for a vig in this game? Hippo who sits on others to kill them? Vigs are kills, flavor could understandably reflect that.

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I don't care for the Amrun wagon. I can see some of the points against her, but I have a gut town read on her. I could be wrong, but I'm not interested in pursuing her when I see other people I definitely find scummy.

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1) What smelled off about you? Your contributions to the game were an enormous pig fart. You tunneled on one player and didn't even comment on ANYTHING else happening. Every post was just more whining about that one player. Apparently you have turned that into a playstyle. Good job. It's scummy, it's useless, and it accomplishes nothing.

Not a fan of this at all. CKD tunneled on Hez. ON SCUM. How is that scummy? I really don't like GI trying to say CKD is scummy for tunneling on HezSCUM. It's like he's angry that CKD caught Hez.

unvote; vote GreyICE

[GreyICE]

1) What smelled off about you? Your contributions to the game were an enormous pig fart. You tunneled on one player and didn't even comment on ANYTHING else happening. Every post was just more whining about that one player. Apparently you have turned that into a playstyle. Good job. It's scummy, it's useless, and it accomplishes nothing.

Not a fan of this at all. CKD tunneled on Hez. ON SCUM. How is that scummy? I really don't like GI trying to say CKD is scummy for tunneling on HezSCUM. It's like he's angry that CKD caught Hez.

unvote; vote GreyICE

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And now you want me to fucking read minds and figure out whose going to flip what way without even doing anything. Let me get this fucking straight.

1) Scum night kill reveals we're off on day 1 wagons.
2) I relook over the thread, and the HezLucky/CKD interaction is scum as shit, leading me to believe one or both of them is scum. CKD is tunneling like a 'tard, Hez is saying nothing repeatedly. I kick the bee's nest. A fucking SCUM LYNCH comes out of it.
3) Apparently I was supposed to mystically know that CKD was town at the start of day 2, somehow.
4) Apparently you want to ignore that I agree he's very unlikely to be scum on day 3.


This really looks like scum looking for an excuse to jump on a wagon. So, in light of the fact you either misunderstood, or misrepresented what I said, do you plan to unvote?

Because every time I find people voting for me when I'm town, I find scum all over my fucking wagons.

[curiouskarmadog]

you can be as rude and insulting as you want to be, but it wont get me off you back.

1) What smelled off about you? Your contributions to the game were an enormous pig fart. You tunneled on one player and didn't even comment on ANYTHING else happening. Every post was just more whining about that one player. Apparently you have turned that into a playstyle. Good job. It's scummy, it's useless, and it accomplishes nothing.

2) What the fuck? I did not anticipate that you'd think that was a breadcrumb because I don't speak

moron.

Period.

3) Because. You're. Really. Stupid.

I'm seriously tired of this shit. Go fuck off and die somewhere.

1.) I would like some quotes please where I demostrate this....I actually attacked hez BECAUSE he commented on something I didnt believe he believed in...so are you lying here too?

2.) I wasnt the only person who asked you to back this up yesterday....what is moronic about asking you to back up your suspicions?

I ask you this...

"3.)You keep calling me a moron(your buddy hez went with the insults too), but I asked you if you really couldn’t see my point of you in regards to this? To be clear, there are two dead people who thought you were scum…Hezscum voted me yesterday…as did you with NO EXPLANATION…AND you used the phrasing “smell” in a game where everyone is an animal….so you really don’t see why I think you are scum and I am just being a moron?...WHY…what about my suspicion is moronic? I know you think the "smell" issue is moronic...BUT ADDRESS THE REST"

and all you say back is "you are stupid"? again you directly avoid questions....

What is your win condition?

I win when all threats to my safety are eliminated

What part of my case on GI do you disagree with and why?

[Cirno]

No, your

real

win condition.

Also,
>What part of my case on GI do you disagree with and why?
All of it. I don't think the deaths of Elli and Fate implicate Grey. I don't see or care about the so-called breadcrumb. I don't think you pushed him against any kind of wall and I don't believe he was avoiding questions because of it.

[GreyICE]

What questions in #3 haven't I answered?

Could I really not see that you would think I was breadcrumbing a PR result based on a common phrase?

YES! Emphatically yes! I had no idea that you'd read it that way, and your insistence that it's scummy because you thought I was maybe fake breadcrumbing is so painfully stupid it boggles the mind.

In fact I've REPEATEDLY answered this question. That you don't like the answer does not mean I didn't answer it! I mean seriously, I've had a game where players were joking about black magic in the beginning, and someone joked about white magic, and it was like 'hmmm, doctor breadcrumb?' but he wasn't a doctor, and me repeatedly insisting that he was fake breadcrumbing doctor based on that would have made me INSANE. See ANY parallels?

What about your suspicion is stupid?

Well, first of all the way you've gone about presenting it is insane. I might not present my reasoning, but not a single person in the town is paying attention to your reasoning. The scum who are leaning towards paying attention to this are making up their own reasons because sheeping yours is ridiculous. If we pare it down, your reasoning is:

- I was breadcrumbing a PR result
- It was part of the scum plan to fake PR results on you, and we hadn't decided in the QT who would fake the results so we tripped over each other
- I voted for you
- I didn't present reasons for your convenience
- I voted for HezLucky at the wrong time, apparently

So if we cut the breadcrumbing, then we have:

1) I didn't provide reasons
- And I already said that I wasn't certain you were scum, but the argument between you and Hezlucky wasn't getting ANY attention, and it did NOT feel town on town, and both of you were quite scummy. I wanted to see what the reactions were before I pushed a lynch. And they were fucking hax.

2) I voted for HezLucky late
- And there were, lemme see, no posts between the claim and my vote change. It's like I changed votes as soon as I saw it. If you can't figure out I've been ragging fate for being a stupid derp for days 1 and 2 because he was being a stupid derp, well, uh... literacy is hax?

3) I voted for you
And we're left with this. Making this the most convoluted, angry case of OMGUS I've ever seen.


Now there. I have again thoroughly answered all your questions, which are AGAIN are horrible.

Now here's an idea. Stop being a miner, get out of your tunnel, look around.

[Llamarble]

That white magic possiblecrumb was Pine, who flipped scum.
Also Jasonscum was caught partially off what I thought was a fakebreadcrumb of Angel (which was indeed followed up by an Angel fakeclaim) in Buffy mafia.
So I don't think it's unworthy of consideration.
Could somebody link me to the post?

[Llamarble]

Went and found it. Actually that doesn't feel like a crumbed result to me since his first post of D2 is a Fatevote.
So yeah that seems a non issue.
I think Grey may be scum for other reasons though.

[elvis_knits]

Hey GreyIce,

1) What smelled off about you? Your contributions to the game were an enormous pig fart. You tunneled on one player and didn't even comment on ANYTHING else happening. Every post was just more whining about that one player.

Apparently you have turned that into a playstyle. Good job. It's scummy

, it's useless, and it accomplishes nothing.

You said that CKD's playstyle is to whine about one player repeatedly. And that it's scummy.

Well, it lynched Hez, who was scum, so how's that scummy?

You can pretend you didn't know Hez was scum at the time, but that's not the point. YOU'RE SAYING IT NOW. YOU'RE CALLIMG HIS PLAYSTYLE SCUMMY... NOW.

Even if you're town, CKD would still be batting 50%, so how can you say that his playstyle sucks and IT'S SCUMMY???

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1) Scum night kill reveals we're off on day 1 wagons.

What does the NK have to do with anything?

2) I relook over the thread, and the HezLucky/CKD interaction is scum as shit, leading me to believe one or both of them is scum. CKD is tunneling like a 'tard, Hez is saying nothing repeatedly. I kick the bee's nest. A fucking SCUM LYNCH comes out of it.

That's not what happened though. You went after CKD and when the wagon died and you were the only one hanging around on CKD were forced to vote Hez. You get zero credit for being on Hez.

3) Apparently I was supposed to mystically know that CKD was town at the start of day 2, somehow.

I'm not saying that. I'm saying you're throwing mud at him now.

4) Apparently you want to ignore that I agree he's very unlikely to be scum on day 3.

Well, you said his playstyle is SCUMMY just now.

[GreyICE]

Hey GreyIce,

1) What smelled off about you? Your contributions to the game were an enormous pig fart. You tunneled on one player and didn't even comment on ANYTHING else happening. Every post was just more whining about that one player.

Apparently you have turned that into a playstyle. Good job. It's scummy

, it's useless, and it accomplishes nothing.

You said that CKD's playstyle is to whine about one player repeatedly. And that it's scummy.

Well, it lynched Hez, who was scum, so how's that scummy?

You can pretend you didn't know Hez was scum at the time, but that's not the point. YOU'RE SAYING IT NOW. YOU'RE CALLIMG HIS PLAYSTYLE SCUMMY... NOW.

Even if you're town, CKD would still be batting 50%, so how can you say that his playstyle sucks and IT'S SCUMMY???

What the fuck? Why am I being tag teamed by Bevis and Butthead?

1.) What “smelled” off about me yesterday that you voted me out of the Gate day 2? You have been asked this numerous times by several people, but wont commit to anything, do it NOW

That was specifically the question, Elvis. That SPECIFICALLY was what he asked me. It was obvious I was responding to it, you just QUOTED THE 1) IN MY POST.

And yet you want to make it out like it's a commentary on his day 3 play.

What about it was scummy AT THE START OF DAY 2?

EVERYTHING about the Hez/CKD interaction was scummy. That entire argument smelled to high heaven on reread, and it was getting pointedly ignored.

1) Scum night kill reveals we're off on day 1 wagons.

What does the NK have to do with anything?

Please don't tell me you're one of those people who think that night kills tell you nothing.

2) I relook over the thread, and the HezLucky/CKD interaction is scum as shit, leading me to believe one or both of them is scum. CKD is tunneling like a 'tard, Hez is saying nothing repeatedly. I kick the bee's nest. A fucking SCUM LYNCH comes out of it.

That's not what happened though. You went after CKD and when the wagon died and you were the only one hanging around on CKD were forced to vote Hez. You get zero credit for being on Hez.

Okay, call it what you like.

3) Apparently I was supposed to mystically know that CKD was town at the start of day 2, somehow.

I'm not saying that. I'm saying you're throwing mud at him now.

4) Apparently you want to ignore that I agree he's very unlikely to be scum on day 3.

Well, you said his playstyle is SCUMMY just now.

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ENGLISH MOTHERFUCKER, CAN YOU READ IT?

[LlamaFluff]

Vote Count

An elephant pregnancy can last two years

GreyICE (4) - ZeL1nK, vezokpiraka, curiouskarmadog, elvis_knits
Amrun (3) - Llamarble, snarky, earworm
Seacore (3) - Flavour Analysis, Calcifer, evilpacman18
vezokpiraka (1) - populartajo
Calcifer (1) - Seacore
curiouskarmadog (1) - Cirno
Cirno (1) - GreyICE
Llamarble (1) - Lowell
No Lynch (1) - DietyKabuto

Not Voting (2) - Amrun, Altilysian

With 18 alive it takes 10 to lynch

Calcifer is V/LA until the 7th
Deadline is July 20th 12:01AM PST

[elvis_knits]

Yo.

I totally realize the question was why you thought CKD was scummy at the start of D2. But you went on to comment on his playstyle in general. Otherwise why would you say that he had turned this tunnelling behavior into a

playstyle

? You mean he tunnelled on hez and now you. Right? And you called that scummy.

Other points:

1) NK's are largely WIFOM, but sometimes they tell us something. But I'm asking what IN PARTICULAR about that NK made you wagon CKD. I just see no correlation.

2) Your Hez vote sucked. It was a reaction to your CKD wagon dying and everybody moving to Hez. Your reason was "oh Hez must be fate's buddy." WTF kind of reason is that? You know what that seems like to me? Try to tie a townie to your buddy who is going down, that's what it seems like to me. OR maybe just throw some doubt on the people wagoning your buddy. Either way.

If you want me to believe you weren't bussing Hez, you need to explain more why you voted for Hez, because I see no real reasoning there, which leads me to believe you just didn't want to be caught on the wrong side of the CKD/Hez debacle.

[DeityKabuto]

GreyIce is a level 4 Wagon

Vote GreyICE

Now GreyIce is a level 5 Wagon

[Seacore]

Is it just me or is DK trying too hard to look useless?

I'd be happy with a DK lynch just to stop him being in end game, but I'm actually thinking he's probably scum at this point.

"Here is an opportunistic vote, but don't look at it that way because I'm blatantly spelling out that I'm just copying and sheeping"

[ZeL1nK]

I think EK is both strong (because the player is good) and town.

Agreed. I keep thinking at the back of my mind, "but what if she's scum?" and then she goes and makes another town post and it's like, "well, whatever, it's not something I really need to worry about now."

Maybe if she's still alive further down the line, and we've been unsuccessful in finding scum, then it would start to be something worth worrying about.

But on the other hand he has some forthright honest sounding stuff. Blergh.

Yeah, as much as I've been saying Snarky is scum all game, I have my reservations about it for the same reason.

It's like he's unintentionally dropping town posts here and there to counter-act the scumminess.

last weekend bad for me. will catch up.

Expecting another promise from you 72 hours from the time of this post.

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@earworm,

Can I see your top 3 scum picks in order? Like #1, #2, #3, not a list of people you think are scum. Preferably with reasoning included.

a) who is the scum(s) in Lllamarble wagon?

b) who is the scum(s) bussing in Hez wagon?

a) One of Lowell or Snarky
b) One or two of GI, DK, vezok

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Reading through those vezok links was fun.

On a side note, kind of related, I think DK is more likely scum than vezok for claiming VT

but not claiming an animal

. In contrast with his "scum always claim VT". Combined with him acting completely opposite to how I'm used to seeing DK town act and just being generally useless (well, he's useless regardless of alignment, but this is a special kind of useless).

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On the recent GI developments. I think CKD is asking the wrong questions and it's affording GI some leeway in defending himself.

Some questions I want GI to answer:

1) Why do you think the Elli NK was because town's reads were off? The first thing I thought when I saw Elli dead was that scum thought she was the day vig.
2) Do you think CKD is scum? You seemed to share my sentiments a few pages back that a gimped SK was unlikely, and you've called CKD town a few times. Is he scummy town?
3) Do you think elvis is scum? Just asking because of #1152.
4) Wanna tell me why I'm wrong in #1046? Preferably with a bit more than something like "I'm town" or "it's stupid".

Also would like to hear your answer to elvis's #1161 above. Like, it's fair enough if you're saying that this CKD-Hez thing didn't look like town on town, but why CKD over anyone else in the game? And, more importantly, why didn't you explain this yesterday? Like, you know... when you were voting for CKD?

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And, oh god, DK. hmm.

[Greymarble]

Argh, I don't want Grey to be scum but I'm pretty sure he is. With Lowell.

[Llamarble]

Argh, I don't want Grey to be scum but I'm pretty sure he is. With Lowell.

[elvis_knits]

llamarble, do you see any particular link between GI and lowell or are they just your top two suspects?

[Llamarble]

Grey is very pro 'Vig should shoot Lowell but let's not lynch him' which leaves Lowell the convenient out of not lurking quite enough to get shot.

Are people actually bailing on the llamarble wagon? Why?

You've read like 3 pages of the game, shut up and get vigged like usual.

Felt bussy. Grey hasn't really talked about why Lowell is scum, he just says he wants him vigged.
Also Grey is probably expressing suspicion of at least one buddy but most of the other people he's been attacking read town.

[Llamarble]

Amrun is also scum with Grey, perhaps more clearly than Lowell.

Right now I'm trying to figure out who of Grey/Amrun/Lowell/Calcifer/Earworm is most obvscum.

[populartajo]

caustic greyice is town greyice

get off that stupid wagon

unvote vote: amrun

not my favorite lynch but more likely to flip scum

[populartajo]

GreyIce is a level 4 Wagon

Vote GreyICE

Now GreyIce is a level 5 Wagon

is there consensus on this guy?? cuz he is obvscum and I want him dead now

[ZeL1nK]

caustic greyice is town greyice

Yeah, except GI hasn't been "caustic" until today...

[populartajo]

im stupid and confusing ongoings but still, not seeing scum attack elvis the way he is doing, scum would be more diplomatic

care to enlighten me and post in two-three lines what is the case against him?

[Seacore]

caustic greyice is town greyice

False.

Caustic GreyIce is awake GreyIce

Seriously, read Brotherhood of the Wolf