Into Africa - Over

[populartajo]

link plz

[ZeL1nK]

How bout 50 lines instead?

#1046

[Seacore]

http://mafiascum.net/forum/viewtopic.php?f=23&t=16125

[Seacore]

Actually, you'll notice in that one that GI starts fairly calm and grows more caustic as pressure mounts... meta-wise that doesn't look great for him...

[GreyICE]

On the recent GI developments. I think CKD is asking the wrong questions and it's affording GI some leeway in defending himself.

Some questions I want GI to answer:

1) Why do you think the Elli NK was because town's reads were off? The first thing I thought when I saw Elli dead was that scum thought she was the day vig.
2) Do you think CKD is scum? You seemed to share my sentiments a few pages back that a gimped SK was unlikely, and you've called CKD town a few times. Is he scummy town?
3) Do you think elvis is scum? Just asking because of #1152.
4) Wanna tell me why I'm wrong in #1046? Preferably with a bit more than something like "I'm town" or "it's stupid".

Also would like to hear your answer to elvis's #1161 above. Like, it's fair enough if you're saying that this CKD-Hez thing didn't look like town on town, but why CKD over anyone else in the game? And, more importantly, why didn't you explain this yesterday? Like, you know... when you were voting for CKD?

1) Because Elli was obvtown who was going to be difficult to lynch. He had no real strong reads, and wasn't effectively pushing anyone. That means that scum had some breathing room to shoot at obvtown who might be PRs, or just obvtown doing very little.

2) No. Obv. Said it, oh, like 5 times today. Stupidity is a null tell.

3) Probably not.

4) Because my reads have evolved. No longer feel too strongly about sparky scum. EPM, Llamarble, and Vezok all need death. DK also needs death hardcore, far more than any of those three, but that's new.

Also you want me to tell you that your post isn't stupid, but it includes the phrase "I'm certain this matches his scum meta, but I've never looked up a single game he was scum in." So... yeah.

Elvis' 1116 isn't at all interesting, and it's kind of humiliating that you think it is. Here's the answers, in brief:

1) I voted for pressure. What the fuck is the use of a pressure wagon if you say it's for pressure. Something in that mess needed to die, and CKD was scummier than hez.

2) Hez didn't act in the least like a cop with a guilty.

...Will complete my reread and see if anything changes, though.

That's what he posted. What sort of fucking Cop gets a scum result and goes "will complete my reread and see if I get a second power role result that confirms someone scum?"

That's called claiming scum. Anyone not voting Hez at that point was a moron. Of course apparently this is 'overly wordy mafia' where you have to explain that water is wet before you say that you needed to dry off after a shower.

[ZeL1nK]

@GI,

Re: 1) So why would this implicate CKD?

Re: 2) But you think CKD is scummy, right? Or at least that he's playing like scum?

Re: 3) Why did you suggest she looks like scum jumping on your wagon?

Re: 4) Firstly, I don't see how your evolving reads reflect the fact that you didn't push any of your scum reads D1 (or D2 for that matter). My issue isn't with what your reads are, but with you not trying to push or pressure them like I'm used to seeing you do as town. And I never said Ithink your play matches your scum meta. But from what I've seen of your town meta, this game has been vastly different. At least today you've reverted to the somewhat aggressive style I'm more used to seeing.

Elvis #1161 was interesting and your answers are even more interesting.

Re: Elvis's 1) Not buying that you voted for pressure. Considering you had this to say about CKD:

1) What smelled off about you? Your contributions to the game were an enormous pig fart. You tunneled on one player and didn't even comment on ANYTHING else happening. Every post was just more whining about that one player. Apparently you have turned that into a playstyle. Good job. It's scummy, it's useless, and it accomplishes nothing.

So, I reiterate,

And, more importantly, why didn't you explain this yesterday? Like, you know... when you were voting for CKD?

Re: Elvis's 2) Hez didn't claim cop with a guilty when you voted him. This isn't a valid reason for your vote shift. In fact, I don't think you posted in between the time he claimed cop with a guilty and the time he was lynched...

[Llamarble]

Llamarble needs death? No I don't.
VOTE: GreyICE

Talk about Amrun and Earworm and Lowell please.
Maybe you can convince me to lynch one of them instead of you.

[Llamarble]

Because my reads have evolved.

I feel like evolving is what scum's reads do whereas town's reads refresh.

[GreyICE]

@GI,

Re: 1) So why would this implicate CKD?

Re: 2) But you think CKD is scummy, right? Or at least that he's playing like scum?

Re: 3) Why did you suggest she looks like scum jumping on your wagon?

Re: 4) Firstly, I don't see how your evolving reads reflect the fact that you didn't push any of your scum reads D1 (or D2 for that matter). My issue isn't with what your reads are, but with you not trying to push or pressure them like I'm used to seeing you do as town. And I never said Ithink your play matches your scum meta. But from what I've seen of your town meta, this game has been vastly different. At least today you've reverted to the somewhat aggressive style I'm more used to seeing.

1) ...

It implied we were missing something. The CKD/Hez situation was a total mess that was getting overlooked.

2) Yes. Hez was playing scummy too. Of the two, CKD read scummier than Hez on a read over. Apparently I was wrong, but I wasn't wrong that the situation was not TvT

3) ...Gave my reasons in that post. Read it.

4) See my signature on your brilliant use of meta, again. I mean honestly, you're telling me you think I'm more likely to flip scum than DK, Vezok, Llamarble, based on a game we played together in the past? Get real. I'm town. Meta is how you lynch town.

[DeityKabuto]

Is it just me or is DK trying too hard to look useless?

I'd be happy with a DK lynch just to stop him being in end game, but I'm actually thinking he's probably scum at this point.

"Here is an opportunistic vote, but don't look at it that way because I'm blatantly spelling out that I'm just copying and sheeping"

Do you believe DK is scum?

[elvis_knits]

I care nothing for Grey's meta. Let's look at his

behavior.

GreyICE's FAIL D2 votes

1) D2 dawns, GI votes fate yet again:

Vote: Fate

I know you know town from scum, he was town. That vote makes baby jesus cry.

The old "you lynched a townie yesterday so you're scum" BS vote.

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2)Then changes abruptly to CKD:

Wait.

Would Fate NK Elli? No. Elli is coasting obvtown. Ergo we're suspecting:

The wrong suspects.

Vote: CuriousKarmaDog

Something smells off. Oh yes.

WIFOM speculation on NK, excusing fate from being scum. Reasons that we were looking on the wrong place, so let's vote someone we weren't looking at: CKD. "Let's vote someone who isn't suspicious." GREAT PLAN!

NOTE: This is very different than what GI is saying now -- he's saying that he thought the CKD/Hez fight stunk to high heaven and he just knew it couldn't be town on town. O RLY? No mention of this yesterday.

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3)CKD wagon falls apart, everyone moves to HEZ, leaving GI alone on CKD, so he moves to Hez. Check out his reasoning here:

Vote: Fate

Why the fuck did I stop doing this?

Vote: HezLucky

Because Fate's bussing again. Obv.

A)Revoting Fate for no reason, against his earlier conclusion that fate was town.
B)Then votes Hez FOR BEING FATE'S BUDDY. This is the stupidest thing ever since GI had already said he thought fate was town, and there was no discernable link between these two players.
C)AGAIN, no mention that he thought the Hez/CKD fight was horrible and scummy and one had to be scum. NO MENTION OF THAT.

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Conclusion:

None of these votes make sense.

[GreyICE]

No, Elvis_Knits, pretty sure I said that it was someone the town wasn't really suspecting. Not that CKD is 'not suspicious.'

'cause you know what? You have, at no point, defended your concept that CKD wasn't scummy day 1.

And I'm not sure why you want me to do a song and a dance number as scum is getting lynched to make myself look town.

P.S. Fate was trolling me as hard as I was trolling him.

[elvis_knits]

No, Elvis_Knits, pretty sure I said that it was someone the town wasn't really suspecting. Not that CKD is 'not suspicious.'

And why were we not suspecting him? BEcause he wasn't suspicious. If you thought he was, why didn't you say so and why?

You never said why you thought CKD was suspicious, you never said why you thought Hez was suspicious.

'cause you know what? You have, at no point, defended your concept that CKD wasn't scummy day 1.

WEll, I didn't find him or Hez particularly scummy, actually. I thought it was town on town nonsense. I'm not sure what that has to do with anything about you though. I'm saying that YOU did not seem to have any reason that you thought either CKD or Hez were scum. It is your behavior and reasoning that does not make sense.

And I'm not sure why you want me to do a song and a dance number as scum is getting lynched to make myself look town.

I'm not asking you to do that.

P.S. Fate was trolling me as hard as I was trolling him.

Did you think Fate was scum or not?

[GreyICE]

No, Elvis_Knits, pretty sure I said that it was someone the town wasn't really suspecting. Not that CKD is 'not suspicious.'

And why were we not suspecting him? BEcause he wasn't suspicious. If you thought he was, why didn't you say so and why?

You never said why you thought CKD was suspicious, you never said why you thought Hez was suspicious.

Your tautological logic is painful, Elvis. You get no fucking brownie points, and have a scum read.

Why wasn't CKD scummy? 'because you weren't suspecting him?' Big news, day 1 you were busy suspecting the fuck out of Silavor, and you never mentioned Hez. Hez wasn't suspicious either?

Also, I've said why I found both suspicious already. So that makes, by my count, two misrepresentations, one piece of logic so shitty you could fry Spock's brain, and a total refusal to admit your last complain was entirely based on an INABILITY TO READ.

Vote: Elvis_Knits

Town doesn't post tautological bullcrap like this:

And why were we not suspecting him? BEcause he wasn't suspicious.

That's scum making shit up to justify something they never bothered to read.

[elvis_knits]

I may not be the most articulate at times, but I think my basic point should make sense.

I see no good explanation for why your votes were so crappy D2.

I see no response about Fate. Did you think he was scum or not?

Oh but I do see you voted me. That's nice.

[Flavour Analysis]

Oops! Sorry, will get into the fray soon.

[Flavour Analysis]

Btw DK, vote Grey Ice for me. : D Plz :3

[Llamarble]

He did already.
Not that I'm complaining.
Why don't you?

[GreyICE]

I may not be the most articulate at times, but I think my basic point should make sense.

I see no good explanation for why your votes were so crappy D2.

I see no response about Fate. Did you think he was scum or not?

Oh but I do see you voted me. That's nice.

Wait, the person who threw a shit fit over my

GRAMMAR

wants me to understand that her tautological argument isn't tautological because you're bad at

SOUNDING TOWN?

Give me a fucking break.

[DeityKabuto]

Is GreyICE town or just good at convincing?

Either way, a lynch for GreyICE will soon be inevitable as more people hop on the wagon.

[GreyICE]

Is GreyICE town or just good at convincing?

Either way, a lynch for GreyICE will soon be inevitable as more people hop on the wagon.

Yeah right. Scum's running out of members to jump on the wagon, y'know. And every time I get a wagon, it's dripping with scum.

[Llamarble]

Llamarble needs death? No I don't.
VOTE: GreyICE

Talk about Amrun and Earworm and Lowell please.
Maybe you can convince me to lynch one of them instead of you.

Can you tell me what you think of those people and why I need to die?

[GreyICE]

Llamarble needs death? No I don't.
VOTE: GreyICE

Talk about Amrun and Earworm and Lowell please.
Maybe you can convince me to lynch one of them instead of you.

Can you tell me what you think of those people and why I need to die?

Well maybe if I stop playing question and fucking answer with nitwits, I'd have some fucking time, neh?

As for where you derped up, ISO #15 is a charmer. Especially the post hammer backpeddling.

Your commentary on Hez/CKD was charming as well. All... uh... um... uh...

Yikes. It's like still a week before I was expecting D1 to end.
And apparently I was one of the 2 main wagons today?
I hope we didn't do the cop claims guilty -> lynch cop thing without a good reason.
It sounds to me like we have a claimed guilty on a claimed Hyena who scavenges people, which doesn't really sound pro-town to me.
I can kind of picture "whittles away at the pride's stragglers to make the group stronger" as a town role but it's definitely iffy.
Calcifer you seem to be confused. Hez is the claimed cop. Oh well, I guess we'll see the flip soon.

That's garbage. Like, total garbage. I've been in more games with you where a cop claimed, and they were ALL GODDAMN SCUMBAGS. Add in the marvelous lack of day 1 results, Hez not properly claiming, him saying he might vote for someone else as a supposed COP WITH A GUILTY and that post should be an excuse to take you out back and have you shot as is. It just says 'well maybe if I pretend to not know how the flip turns out I'll get some towncred.'

Elvis' blatant hypocrisy of not even QUESTIONING you when your vote for Amrun looks like this is terribad:

Snarky's vote is entirely uncorrelated with his town/scumlists, which were what I thought was good about him. He can die.

Also Amrun is totally his busbuddy. Amrun is like very scum needs to die.
VOTE: Amrun
If I wasn't already.

Oh yeah, you FOSED SNARKY AND WANT TO LYNCH AMRUN FOR BEING HIS BUDDY WITHOUT A FLIP

You know better than to vote for someone on the basis of them being an UNFLIPPED PLAYER'S SCUMBUDDY.

You're scummy, Elvis is scummy, and the connections between the two of you are amazing icing on an amazing cake.

[populartajo]

llamarble and elvis are pretty obviously town: not seeing where you get llamarble scum specially when it was the freaking counterwagon of the wagon that got hez lynched.

forget what I said about caustic ice.

vote: greyice.

claim.

[Llamarble]

That isn't why I want to lynch Amrun. I don't even think Snarky's scum anymore. He's just messy.
I don't think I believe you.
Do you really look at Amrun's ISO and not think scumscumscum?
Earworm's?