Execution Mafia: Days of the Cold War GAMEOVER

[SleepyKrew]

Then why was his attack on Cod wrong?
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[jasonT1981]

Frist off Quilford, how dare you even suggest I should replace out if I don't like your attitude. That is completly unprofesional and unsporting and has resulted in you being reported for this. Anyone who has ever played in any of my modded games will understand why.

OK, my first post was only my thoughts after a quick glance of the game as I was not on my own computer and also was busy this afternoon so did'nt have time for a full post on everything. I noly commented on what had caught my eye on the quick read.



down to business. Vezo scum claim followed by Quil voting him for executioner. SK pointign out what is wrong with Quils post is completly justified. I believe Vezo is saying yes he is scum only in jest based on how the interaction went.

, though a complete WIFOM with his 'scum claim' I do feel Vezo is comign across as town, he seems helpful and willing to provide info etc on the last game to help town avoid the mistakes of the last game.

Don't like how Cod comes in attacking SK. SK has made a valid point towards Quiford. I do agree with SK, Vezo should not be elected. I don't trust him enough based on past games for him to be elected.



SK explains why Vezo is not good for Executioner, I agree but I also agree with Vezo next post about voting for people who are good scum hunters or giving strong town tells (though I have to question about voting MOI right away since he hadn't posted yet to get a town read, but if it was based on MOI being a good scum hunter, then I completly agree)

How could Codfish(post 29) get a read on Vezo.. before Vezo even posted?

OK tries to explain it in 31, but says it is a contridiction of his MOI vote.. I dont really see it as that, if Vezo feels MOI is a good scum hunter then he can vote him (its called meta) not a contridiction if this is what Vezo based his vote on in opening post.

Quif pushing the Vezo election (post 33)... noted for later

SK is right though, Vezo is not leaving much open to discussion based on his me or MOI comment.

I do agree with Quilford though, Cod is not looking good.

47 Quif asks how he has been pro Vezo.. Post 33 saying WHEN we elect Vezo kill Cod is beign pro vezo.

Killing vezok for being vezok is pretty good too.

no, its not. Killing Vezo for being Vezo is a bad idea. Kill on scummyness, not on being Vezo.

Contridictions are a null tell - both town and scum can contridict themselves.

Cod wants others to come in, fair point

I do agree, Vezo needs to be more open about who we elect, but I don't see it as a contridiction in full terms, nor do I see it as scummy. I agree, MOI is a great scum hunter and if that is why Vezo voted him (he mentioned about it earlier) then it is a valid point, and very good town posting from Vezo picking someone he feels is strong and finding scum.


OK at this point, I want to say that my main issue with Quif is his attitude, it is horrible.

SK asks Vezo why Vezo is town, I beleive he is town because he has been open to providing info on past games that can help, and voting someone he believes is a strong scum hunter.

now this is where Quil starts to slip, he has a vote on Vezo but says he doesnt know he if he is town making his vote a very anti-town vote. He says Vezo is the best place for his vote, yet has said does not know he is town... remember post 33? saying when we elected Vezo... now that is a contridiction, pushing for someone to be executioner. then saying they dont know they are town.

now Quif gets angry at me for my post. lets break it down

Deal with it. If you don't like it you can replace out.

At this point I am informign you I have made a complaint to the mod about your conduct in this game, the swearing and telling someone like it or replace out is not in good games-manship and frankly is unprofesional.

I'm sorry, what the fuck are you on? Do you know what lynching is? This is like lynching, except instead of piling our votes on the person we want to kill, we pile our votes on the person we want to kill someone. We won't vote that person if we think the person isn't going to kill the right person.

I think you misunderstand, begging to be made executioner just to kill someone is anti-town, I don't think you will kill the right person and hence you will never get my vote. your wanting to kill is based on rage posting as I see it.

How have I not wanted to listen to the town.

I did not say that, blatent misrep. I was speaking in general. what I am saying is that making you executioner so you can kill someone of your own thoughts is not good and WHOEVER is elected needs to listen to the town and not do what you did in GIVE ME ROLE SO I CAN KILL HIM regardless of what others think. and not kill on a whim.

I don't know he's town. Do you know that who you want to vote is town?

then why vote him? why not hold off until you can get a read? and no, I can't be sure the person I will vote is town, I have to base my vote on my best judgement on who I feel is best for the role.

You're also not commenting on anyone else who has posted so far. You are not commenting on why my points are wrong; you're not commenting on why SK's or Codfish's points are right. You're not giving your thoughts on Codfish blatantly lying; you're focusing on me because of an attitude you perceive me to have. You can go in my scum list, too.

I also had made clear that my opening post was a quick post and had only skimmed but wanted to comment on what I seen at the time.

Could you show me Cod blatently lying please? I also was focusign on you for voting someone you admit to not being sure is town. that is anti-town... how does that make me scum for calling you out on this and your attitude.

Who?
Also, your post has no mention of Cod, CC, or myself. Are we all null?

Right now based on who I think would best benifit the town on being executioner (based on past experience with him) is MOI. HOWEVER I am not going to vote him right now because I have not seen enough in this game from him to justify my vote in this game. My thoughts on MOI and how he would be good are based on past experiecne.

Yes, I didn't comment much on many, I did'nt really have much time earlier this afternoon, now it is early evening things have calmed down and can comment more.

Can you tell Quilford to stop with the insults? It's derailing the game...

How are the insults derailing the game?

because it is effecting the flow of the game, and having that attitude is not going to help town in any way.

Holy freaking spam ...

It's not spam, it's me being right while everyone else continues to be wrong.

this attitude is not helpful. I have yet to see clearly you explaiin why you are right.

SK I disagree with it beign a vezo scum claim, Quil is defneding Vezo yes, but for all the wrong reasons, that is how Quil is wrong. (i belive this is what Vezo meant)

Town

SK
Vezo

Null as of now/unreadable.

MOI
Captain.

Scum
Quil - reasons outlined.
Cod - I really dont see how he can say Vezo is leaning VI/Scum until he read the MOI vote when it was Vezo first post.

In my mind and opinion, with Quil going full blast against Cod makes it look like scum bussing and distancing between him and Cod to appear town.

More need to check in and post, Quiol needs to loose the attitude.

[MagnaofIllusion]

Ok, rummaging through the six pages now …

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First – don’t elect me Executioner

. I’ve surveyed the playerlist. There aren’t nearly enough players whose scum-hunting I trust that I would agree to listen to the Town as a whole. So if the majority think selecting Day and Night kills via Majority is wise I will certainly aid that process. But I do not want the Axe. Otherwise I’m going to rely much more on my scum-hunting than the Town’s as a whole.

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It first blush Sleepy’s post

5

where he demands a vote-count after voting the Mod looks like lazy stupid Town who didn’t read the mechanics of the game or some sort of half assed reaction test.

@Sleepy

– what was your motivation for said post.

1. He's completely unopen to discussion. Anti-town.

I’m going to address this once.

This is a pretty stupid position. Vezok’s opinions about who he thinks would be an good executioner

AT THE START OF THE GAME

hardly indicates he is ‘unopen to discussion’. If Vezok is Town then he only knows one person’s alignment … his own. Stating immediately that he only vote for himself or me (and I understand why he says this even if I dislike it immensely) hardly is being unopen to ANY discussion.

And Vezok’s post

21

nicely summarizes a pretty Town thought process.

Is electing vezok anti-town? Yes.

Speaking of contradicions – here’s one now!!

If you agree that Town as a whole should direct the Day and Nightkills (which you did in

16

) then as long as they abide by the process NO-ONE being elected is Anti-Town. Scumtastic.

Killing vezok for being vezok is pretty good too.

Scumtastic. Nothing else need be said. Scum Amrun pushed this exact line of thinking last game.

Cod can wait, he's in no way clear. But you die today.

Question

– why do you think you are in position to dictate anything? Because from where I stand I’d much rather see you executed than Quilford.

Then why was his attack on Cod wrong?
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See this is just ‘Gotcha’ pressure tactics that aren’t scum-hutning at all. Clearly someone can be Town but be making horrible arguments against someone else. It happens all the time. Hell on the off chance you are Town (which I’m doubting right now) you are a prime example for pretty much everything you have thrown at Vezok.

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Don't twist my words. I clearly stated that you're against non-pro-vezok discussion. Of course there hasn't been non-vezok discussion.
You've been being pro-vezok ie defending vezok. The facts are laid out for you and you're basically ignoring them.

Um, whut? Your stance (which is also Sleepy’s stance) doesn’t make sense. It’s not scummy to disagree with illogical positions. The casual use of Wiki-Tells (in this case “twisting of words”) doesn’t help your position, IMO.

My posts are in no way scummy, Quil;

An outsized reaction. Quill never called you scummy, he simply engaged you in discussion.

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Vezok - I don't like the fact that your posts contradict each other, and your refusal to consider anyone else up for executioner don't sit well with me. If I were scum, I definitely wouldn't want the power to kill in anyone's hands but my own.

1. The bolded is clearly a misrepresentation since Vezok declared he’d also vote for me. Scummy.
2. Why should Town also not want the power to kill in anyone’s hands but their own?

SK - Jumping onto a wagon early-game. Reminds me of another game, in which you flipped scum. Although, this time you're suspicions are well-founded. So far I like you.

Oh, so he reminds you meta-wise of a game where he was scum for behaving this way but based on his flawed premise you like him?

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Vezo can come across as a VI sometimes (sorry Vezo, its true) and would make snap decisions I feel on his own and not on the willing of town. Executioner in the hands of Vezo is not something town wants.

If Vezok agrees to Town directed kills (and accepting the consequences if he doesn’t) then he’s now worse than ANYONE else to elect Jason.

I actually feel many other players so far would be more likely to make ‘snap decisions than Vezok.

[MagnaofIllusion]

VOTE: Vezok

If we are going to select Day and Nightkills via Mass Agreement (which we need more people to post to confirm) then he, as a Vet of the previous game, is in perfect position to be the conduit, IMO.

Descending Town reads on

- Jason, Vezok, Quil

Descending Scum reads on

- Captian, Cod, Sleepy

[SleepyKrew]

mallow has said this game is semi-bastard. I want to see if the modvote counts or not.
He clearly said 'it's MoI or me'.
Post 21 happened after I began accusing him, and it's a contradiction of his previous statement.
I don't trust vezok with the kill. Simple as that.
It is my opinion that Quil needs to be killed.
How about you let vezok answer for himself?

Now, about the Executioner. I'm perfectly fine if they intend to use their own scumhunting instead of listening to the town, as long as they admit they'll do this.

[MagnaofIllusion]

mallow has said this game is semi-bastard. I want to see if the modvote counts or not.

Oh, so you wanted to test whether we could elect the Mod to make the execution for us? Whut?

How about you let vezok answer for himself?

Oh, I see. So you think Vezok is an easy target and dislike when someone with a better reputation for being more logical and articulate comes in to blow-up your horrible arguments?

Now, about the Executioner. I'm perfectly fine if they intend to use their own scumhunting instead of listening to the town, as long as they admit they'll do this.

Wait, why then did you say you agreed that Town should choose the Night and Day kills?

Isn’t that a blatant contradiction?

Shouldn’t I be screaming that you are obv-scum for contradicting yourself?

[SleepyKrew]

I'm very paranoid about checking with bastard mods.
No, I'm saying let him answer for himself.
Actually, I only said the Night Kill should be predetermined.

[MagnaofIllusion]

Actually, I only said the Night Kill should be predetermined.

Um why would you want to make the Night kill predetermined (I'm assuming by this you mean Town as whole approved) but not the Day Execution? That makes no sense. If it is a good policy for one it should be a good policy for both.

Why would you let an Executioner use judgement during the Daykill if you wouldn't grant the same lee-way at Night?

Now something you haven't stated

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Am I scum buddying up to / defending Vezok?

[SleepyKrew]

Because the Day Kill happens in the open. We will learn more if we let the Executioner choose his own kill. Badly worded?

I can't tell yet. My gut says so, but I think it's just butthurt that you're attacking me.

[mallowgeno]

Wow guys way to start off with a BANG!

First things first, Quilford, you need to calm down. If you're gonna spam insults at players I will replace you out of this game. Please tone the language down a little too please.

Second, self-voting IS allowed. Just not at night. Only players who can self-vote at night are the witches.

[SleepyKrew]

VC please.

[ChaosOmega]

vote: Quilford

Any reason you haven't voted yet, Codfish?

[mallowgeno]

VC 1.1

MagnaofIllusion (1)-vezokpiraka
Quilford (2)-Quilford, ChaosOmega
vezokpiraka (1)-MagnaofIllusion

Haven't Voted (9)-
jasonT1981
Zang
Codfish
fatlikepig
SleepyKrew
kondi2424
implosion
havingfitz
Captain Corporal

Deadline is August 15th!

[SleepyKrew]

Okay, mod can't be elected, cool.
VOTE: MoI

[SleepyKrew]

vote: Quilford

Any reason you haven't voted yet, Codfish?

Please tell me you're going to have an in-depth catch-up post.

[ChaosOmega]

I wasn't planning on it. Do you think I should?

[SleepyKrew]

Yeah.

[havingfitz]

Just back from a v/LA to find ~6 pages already. Will post after I read through (i.e. asap).

[vezokpiraka]

vote: Quilford

Any reason you haven't voted yet, Codfish?

WTF?

You plant a vote on quillford and then you say nothing about me SK and codfish?

Great job.

As I see MoI doesn't want to be executioner.

unvote
vote MoI

As for NK: Don't choose the same executioner as the day one. It's one of the worst tactics.


Right now MoI is head of the town list.

Chaosomega seems incredibly off and pretty scummy. Last game 2 scums lurked their way to victory and never got caught in discussion or something like that.

[vezokpiraka]

I meant.

unvote
vote vezok

I hate it when I'm sleepy.

[SleepyKrew]

I hate it when I'm vezok.

[fatlikepig]

Ah, looks like I'm late to the party. Please forgive me for being delayed, I'll return this afternoon with a catch-up wall o text.

[jasonT1981]

MOIs case against SK is a lot better than anything Quilford has produced so far on SK. I am still not sold on SK scum, but it is a convincing arguement by MOI.

[jasonT1981]

Vezo, if voted and elected will you promise to listen to what the town wants and not do a Quil and want the role just to kill someone outright, on his own accord?

[implosion]

REEEAAADDDINNNGG

The nice thing about this game is that we can give townreads openly without fear of them being nightkilled since an obvtown player being nightkilled will just lead to a mass night-vote claim.

From page one: vezok is town (by virtue of looking genuine), codfish is probably scum (looks somewhat contrived). Also, I was thinking the same thing in regards to choosing the night executioner. I disagree that we should tell them who to kill, however. If we tell them who to kill, if they're scum and we decide to kill a townie, they can just blindly kill that townie. If we elect the night-executioner during day but give them freedom on who to nightkill, then if someone obvtown is nightkilled for example then we can drill the executioner. The obvious downside is that it would allow the scum to make nightkills on town players. However, it's my bet that if we elect scum and make them kill scum, two things will happen. First, they will kill each other. Second, everyone will start saying that the executioner is town for executing scum. This way, the witches have no encouragement to bus exactly, and more importantly than that, we would get the chance to analyze peoples' reasons for killing.

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Codfish 29 is just bad. Are you really going to attack someone for going back on the first thing they said, especially when that thing could be interpreted semi-sarcastically?

Quilford is town by the way. SK is pinging scumdar. One of him/codfish is scum. Which one will be found out later. codfish 44 actually reads somewhat town. meh.

Okay yeah SK is scum. 51, attacking quil for an ad hominem attack on something that was incredibly clearly a joke is reaching. 50 posts into the game, and reaching.

What's the matter vezok? Don't like the direction this argument is turning?

This sentence also just feels deeply discomforting to me. Like... it feels more like a scum agenda than a town agenda. It feels not like it's trying to discern vezok's alignment, but like he already knows vezok's alignment and he's trying to make vezok look bad. E.G. SKscum and Vezoktown. Which is where i'm leaning atm.

If I were scum, I definitely wouldn't want the power to kill in anyone's hands but my own.

Wrong. Scum would want the power to kill in one of three places: their hands, their scumbuddies hands, or the hands of a townie who will screw up. Replace the word "scum" with the word "town" and you've got yourself a legitimately true statement since town can trust no one.
(+1 scumpoints to captain corporal)

On page four right now, I'm going to try to post in multiple posts because I seem to wind up wallposting a lot these days.