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Post Post #175 (ISO) » Tue Jul 26, 2011 5:11 am

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havingfitz wrote:
MOI not an option for my vote because he has no confidence in anyone's skill but his own (big surprise there :roll:) and would do whatever he felt was best (for him).

Will comment more after my re-read/catchup.


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Post Post #176 (ISO) » Tue Jul 26, 2011 5:17 am

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Saying 'misguided town scum null' all in one post is far from saying unconfident gut read.
When I ignore someone, I don't talk
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I see you ignored me when I pointed out I wasn't tunneling.
You're scum because my gut and I'm too lazy to write up an actual case. Maybe later.
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Post Post #177 (ISO) » Tue Jul 26, 2011 6:52 am

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V/LA for a day or so. Knocked myself out earlier after banging my head and have a slight concussion
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Post Post #178 (ISO) » Tue Jul 26, 2011 6:53 am

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Concussions suck. Get well soon.
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Post Post #179 (ISO) » Tue Jul 26, 2011 8:04 am

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jasonT1981 wrote:
V/LA for a day or so. Knocked myself out earlier after banging my head and have a slight concussion


ouchie I'm sorry :(
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Post Post #180 (ISO) » Tue Jul 26, 2011 8:06 am

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Also Kondi contacted me and said he will be v/la until monday...
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Post Post #181 (ISO) » Tue Jul 26, 2011 8:10 am

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kondi's posting in Marathon just fine >.>
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Post Post #182 (ISO) » Tue Jul 26, 2011 9:56 am

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Implosion wrote:In a normal game, a lot of people (myself included, I'd say) say that it's best not to be too open with townreads because it essentially hands the scum a list of who to nightkill on a platter. In this case because the executioner is elected there's no issue with this.


I believe that scum could care less about the town reads of any individual townie and can easily determine by themselves who is playing the most pro-town by themselves. Regardless though, it doesn't affect this game.

Implosion wrote:Consider the town reasoning behind raging and the scum reasoning behind raging. Town will do it because they are genuinely irritated. Scum will do it because they want to look like town. Therefore, when scum do it, it will look contrived. Quilford's rage didn't look contrived because it had a reason and just didn't look contrived; it looked genuine, therefore it's a towntell.


No, scum don't rage to try to look like town. They rage to confuse the town, to anger the town, to distract the town and to disrupt the town. But even if it is a towntell, it is anti-town.

Either way, I don't think I've played with Quilford before but I think Quilford's rage is just part of how he play's in every game whether town or scum.

Quilford wrote:What is the RVS?


You kept your RVS vote long past whatever RVS there was this game.

Quilford wrote:I can't be bothered to explain myself to Zang and repeat myself for the nth time, it's pretty clear he just skimmed everything


How is it clear that I just skimmed everything?

SleepyKrew wrote:Zang, why do you shine my words in a bad light and then agree with them? And you're wrong, I am voting. MoI


I didn't like your earlier posts however your latest posts have been a lot more pro-town. At that point, I believe you were only voting the mod but you have explained that after the post I quoted.

Implosion wrote:town members need other town members to view themselves as town.


Town members shouldn't be concerned with other town members viewing themselves as town. Only scum should.

Implosion wrote:This essentially implies that you are going to attack quilford no matter what he's going to do E.G. tunnel him.


I fail to see the implication. To me it just seemed like a joke.
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Post Post #183 (ISO) » Tue Jul 26, 2011 9:58 am

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Zang wrote:Seven pages a day? I'll try not to make this wall too long.

SleepyKrew wrote:1. He's completely unopen to discussion. Anti-town.


I don't see how he was unopen for discussion. I assume you're talking about his first post were he said that he wouldn't support anyone except Magna and himself for executioner. That's not being unopen for discussion, it's being unopen over who should be the executioner. Although that is also anti-town, he didn't try to discourage discussion at all.

I was talking about this.
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Post Post #184 (ISO) » Tue Jul 26, 2011 10:03 am

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SleepyKrew wrote:Saying 'misguided town scum null' all in one post is far from saying unconfident gut read.
When I ignore someone, I don't talk
about
them either. I just act as if they don't exist. So no, that statement doesn't mean 'tunnelattackmode GO'.
I see you ignored me when I pointed out I wasn't tunneling.
You're scum because my gut and I'm too lazy to write up an actual case. Maybe later.

Line one: way to misrepresent yourself.
I can't tell yet. My gut says so, but I think it's just butthurt that you're attacking me.
"I can't tell yet" implying null. "My gut says so" implying scum. "but I think it's just butthurt that you're attacking me" implying town. you do the
exact same thing[/], just more backhandedly.
Line two: then what *did* that statement mean? it was saying that you weren't going to listen to quil.
Line three: I explained why you essentially are allowing yourself to "tunnel" quilford. You really are tunneling if you say that you're going to keep a scumread whatever he does... that's the definition of tunneling.
Line four: "gut." On the main person attacking you. I smell a hint of attacking me just because I'm attacking you.
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Post Post #185 (ISO) » Tue Jul 26, 2011 10:07 am

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daw screwed up a tag.

Zang wrote:No, scum don't rage to try to look like town. They rage to confuse the town, to anger the town, to distract the town and to disrupt the town. But even if it is a towntell, it is anti-town.

Fair enough.
Zang wrote:Town members shouldn't be concerned with other town members viewing themselves as town. Only scum should.

Town members should look like town. The best way for townies to do so is to not try to actively look like town. However they should be concerned with it, since if they look like scum they will be mislynched.
Zang wrote:I fail to see the implication. To me it just seemed like a joke.

i saw it as a joke with an implication.
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Post Post #186 (ISO) » Tue Jul 26, 2011 10:09 am

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No, I'm saying my brain says null, and I have an unreliable gut scum read. Far from misguided town scum null.
I was going to ignore him until he stopped
his
tunnelrage.
Did I say 'keep a scumread no matter what'? Where did I say this? As I've explained, I WASNT TUNNELING.
Others are attacking me too. But they're doing it in a more pro-town manner than yourself. If everyone attacking me was scum, MoI wouldn't have my vote.
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Post Post #187 (ISO) » Tue Jul 26, 2011 10:24 am

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SleepyKrew wrote:
Zang wrote:Seven pages a day? I'll try not to make this wall too long.

SleepyKrew wrote:1. He's completely unopen to discussion. Anti-town.


I don't see how he was unopen for discussion. I assume you're talking about his first post were he said that he wouldn't support anyone except Magna and himself for executioner. That's not being unopen for discussion, it's being unopen over who should be the executioner. Although that is also anti-town, he didn't try to discourage discussion at all.

I was talking about this.


I don't remember agreeing that he was unopen for discussion.

Implosion wrote:Town members should look like town. The best way for townies to do so is to not try to actively look like town. However they should be concerned with it, since if they look like scum they will be mislynched.


They should try to prevent themselves from being mislynched. However, Scum have to evaluate everything they do before they do it to make sure that it's the least scummy as possible and most pro-town as possible. Townies don't have to do that, they should just do what they have to do without caring whether they look town or scum because they know that they are town.
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Post Post #188 (ISO) » Tue Jul 26, 2011 10:25 am

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Post Post #189 (ISO) » Tue Jul 26, 2011 8:56 pm

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Ok, everyone, back. Sorry for being away for so long.

Catchup post coming in a couple of hours.
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Post Post #190 (ISO) » Tue Jul 26, 2011 10:18 pm

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vezok wrote:I see SK as misguided town that could be scum( neutral).


So he's town, scum and neutral.

Allllrighty then.

vezok wrote:When he defends me he's right but his attacks on cod fish and jason are bad and wrong.

vezok wrote:As for codfish he is pretty scummy and I agree with you.


Someone's having consistency issues.

vezok wrote:As for the wrong comment it was when you started capsraging and doing stuff I didn't agree with.


that hardly seems to be the way that the original post was worded:

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MagnaofIllusion wrote:Holy freaking spam ...

It's not spam, it's me being right while everyone else continues to be wrong.

You aren't right either.

Good God MoI is here.


"You aren't right either" is in reply to Quil's post about he thought that everyone he was arguing with was wrong about their reads. The way this reply is worded obviously implies that you mean to take the same meaning of right/wrong, that is, in regards to reads. Also, if this excuse is genuine, it only explains the inconsistencies with SK, since Quil wasn't capsraging to Codfish at all.

Vote: Quilford


Capsrage and his confidence in his own reads makes me think that he's a very angry townie. Here's hoping that that rage won't make him disregard the town if he's elected executioner.
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Post Post #191 (ISO) » Tue Jul 26, 2011 10:38 pm

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fatlikepig wrote:
vezok wrote:I see SK as misguided town that could be scum( neutral).


So he's town, scum and neutral.

Allllrighty then.

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Post Post #192 (ISO) » Tue Jul 26, 2011 11:49 pm

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V/LA 'til Friday arvo at best, still reading as much as possible.
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Post Post #193 (ISO) » Wed Jul 27, 2011 12:21 am

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Urgh, things keep happening
I'll be V/LA till the 1st of August. I may still have access to MafiaScum, but the times that I can get on and the consistancy of my posting times will be very limited.

I really wish I have time to post, but I don't.
After the 1st I have nothing planned and nothing hindering me from playing, and if something comes up, I'll replace out.
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Post Post #194 (ISO) » Wed Jul 27, 2011 4:39 am

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will be back fully tomorrow. Feeling better headwise but still a bit drowsy.Sorry everyone.
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Post Post #195 (ISO) » Wed Jul 27, 2011 5:15 am

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@Quilford
– I have a question for you. Do you support Town directed Executions if you are going to be the Executioner?

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Sleepy wrote:I can't tell yet. My gut says so, but I think it's just butthurt that you're attacking me.


Sleepy wrote:Okay, mod can't be elected, cool.
VOTE: MoI


Sleepy wrote: Magna is null,


This series of posts by Sleepy really makes me think he is scum. Before he was at the bottom of my list. Captian and Cod read as more scum motivated than Sleepy. However …

1. Sleepy hammers Quilford for “defending” Vezok.
2. I swoop in and lay down the smack on his Vezok is scum argument (much the same as what Quilford was going).
3. He does his utmost to disengage from direct conflict with me (not answering specific inquires like my post about his “Contradiction” and generally does everything he can to make me ‘go away’.
4. When I directly ask him if I am scum for defending Vezok he fence-sits on it (saying his Gut says yes but he might just be Butthurt).
5. He then votes for me to be the Executioner.
6. When pressed on it later he says I am a Null read.

I see this pattern as a huge case of ‘Appeasement’. I’ve directly said that his “Contradiction” catch isn’t a catch at all and called his other posts not scum-hunting. Town doesn’t have a reason to back off what they think is a valid tell in the manner he has.

Town certainly has no motivation to vote a Null read as Executioner. Especially one they have a gut ‘Scum’ read on. Hell, even if he doubts his Gut scum read he'd be better voting for himself (who he should know as Town) as opposed to lobbing a vote my way in hopes it will distract me like a shiny bobble.

So Sleepy moves to the top of my “Want to see Executed / Will Execute” list.

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Vezok wrote:As for NK: Don't choose the same executioner as the day one. It's one of the worst tactics.


I am going to disagree with this from the standpoint that if a Day Executioner hits scum with the execution I see no reason to NOT make them the Night Executioner.

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Jason wrote:MOIs case against SK is a lot better than anything Quilford has produced so far on SK. I am still not sold on SK scum, but it is a convincing arguement by MOI.


Jason you were on a hot streak there in providing quality posts with content. Don’t backslide into fence-sitting like this and make me question my Town initial read on you.

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Implosion wrote:Selfvoting up until this point (since at this point I'm stating this outright) should be taken as a minor towntell. It would feel awkward to scum moreso than to town, i feel.


I like much of what you have posted in your walls but this makes zero sense. Self-voting is a Null tell. Either alignment has reason to do so … because they know their own win-con is furthered to some degree when the Execution is in the hands of a known alignment (aka their own).

Now certainly scum will not be shy about supporting a fellow scum since they have more information to work with but self-voting isn’t a Town tell at all (if you put any credence in them, which I don’t).

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Zang wrote:Magna- What do you think of Quilford? you don't really mention him in your post but later, you call him town.


I get a Town read so far on Quilford because his reaction to the early “Vezok contradiction” post by Sleepy and Cod are very similar to my own. Thus he’s approaching the game from a similar mindset.

I don’t generally feel the need to fluff up my posts making comments about how his CAPS RAGING is pointless and anti-productive. It clearly is. But it certainly isn’t a scum-tell worth discussing.
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Post Post #196 (ISO) » Wed Jul 27, 2011 6:54 am

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Magna wrote:I like much of what you have posted in your walls but this makes zero sense. Self-voting is a Null tell. Either alignment has reason to do so … because they know their own win-con is furthered to some degree when the Execution is in the hands of a known alignment (aka their own).

Both alignments do have reason to do so, but it's the kind of thing that's more awkward to do as scum than as town. It makes the person who selfvotes stick out, since not everyone is going to selfvote. Scum could still do it, but I think it would be a bit more likely to come from town because town is more willing to be in the spotlight. Scum would likely be afraid of being questioned about it. It isn't all that strong though (since it isn't that major of a thing and answering inquiries would be easy for scum) hence it only being a minor towntell.
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Post Post #197 (ISO) » Wed Jul 27, 2011 7:08 am

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Magna, I thought I answered everything. If there's something I missed, please point it out.
I stand by the null read on you. But I really want to see what you'll do as Executioner.
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Post Post #198 (ISO) » Wed Jul 27, 2011 9:57 am

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MagnaofIllusion wrote:
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– I have a question for you. Do you support Town directed Executions if you are going to be the Executioner?

no magna my caps raging clearly points to the fact that i am an unstable young man and am incapable of following directives

when i am executioner i shall execute annnnnnnnyone i please 38D muahaha


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Post Post #199 (ISO) » Wed Jul 27, 2011 10:15 am

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Is there anyone who has stated they would go with the majority opinion if elected executioner?
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