Toy Story Mafia (Day 9)

[diddin]

Kendall is still scum. In my experience those who try to be aggressive town leaders, particularly early in the game, are scum.

Kendall wagon is bad. I just honestly don't see anything terribly bad she's doing other than annoyingly not using capitalization. From my experiences, noobscum like to lurk, stay under the radar, and draw as little suspicion to themselves as possible. Kendall is doing none of those things.

WIFOM. Bad diddin.

Glowball oozes town btw. Bobsnox is also scum, but I doubt he's on the same team as kendall. Everyone else is null and posting too much. Chill.

I love how you accuse me of WIFOM, and then use WIFOM of your own. Bad Umbrage.

[nintendoaddict1]

Kendall is not playing the newbcard and not really behaving like a newb either.

Really? Look at kendall's first sentence in the thread:

blah blah blah, i'm new, let's go.

Looks like playing the newbcard to me.

[Ray Montano]

Well then kendall's being quite inconsistent, yeah?

[glowball]

Paranoia is justified.

How does paranoia clear a player as town?

Those two things aren't even equivalent. Being paranoid is justified, it doesn't make her town- but that aside I believe kendall is town and I believe her wagon has at least 2 scumz on it.
Now, we should do an exercise for all of you newbies who INSIST on labeling things scummy that are NULL. How about you tell me exactly how that could work in scumz favor.

STARTING WITH
Kendall is playing the newb card, or she isn't- yes she is....blah blah blah
One way or the other how doesn't being newb help scumz? Outside of Road to Rome it really does no good- it's actually more of a death sentence than anything else. It doesn't make a person town either, so....
IT.
IS.
NULL.

Find the motivation in her actions..and then you can push the wagon. From what I see, kendall is probtown....Hiraki's gamble was spot on to you guys, although lining up lynches is never good I get what he means. You guys aren't using the logic that you should all have.

[Ray Montano]

If paranoia is justified to you find it useful?

[Hiraki]

Cool. But I prefer not to line up lynches.

You scumbags need to die.

[glowball]

If paranoia is justified to you find it useful?

Okay just stop.

JUSTIFIED PARANOIA =/= TOWN
JUSTIFIED PARANOIA =/= USEFUL

What part of NULL do you not understand? Because I am starting to get annoyed.

[Ray Montano]

What part of the question are you not understanding? I don't see why paranoia can't be useful in getting a read on a player and I don't see why you can't just answer the question. If I'm not clear on what's going to be useful to you then I'm not sure what kind of read I'm supposed to be getting on you.

Unless your goal is to be unreadable...

[glowball]

What part of the question are you not understanding? I don't see why paranoia can't be useful in getting a read on a player and I don't see why you can't just answer the question. If I'm not clear on what's going to be useful to you then I'm not sure what kind of read I'm supposed to be getting on you.

Unless your goal is to be unreadable...

OKay Ray, I am trying to answer your question- but obviously we are missing something here.

Paranoia is not useful in getting a read on any player,IMO, especially this early WHICH IS WHY I SAID

NULL

. Kendall's paranoia is justified BUT IT IS NOT WHY I THINK SHE IS TOWN.

What aren't you getting? If you are asking me why I don't think paranoia is useful in reads it is because I think you should have a level of paranoia as town or even as scum in these large games. As town you don't know anyone's alignment, and as scum you don't know how many PRs town have. Paranoia is something that just happens in this game which is part of the reason why day one is full of mislynches. Now, paranoia isn't helpful- but for some players it is unavoidable. Making it a NULL tell, until I have some meta to go off of that suggests otherwise.

[Ray Montano]

If you are asking me why I don't think paranoia is useful in reads it is because I think you should have a level of paranoia as town or even as scum in these large games. As town you don't know anyone's alignment, and as scum you don't know how many PRs town have. Paranoia is something that just happens in this game which is part of the reason why day one is full of mislynches.

I can understand where you're coming from, even if I don't agree with all of it.

Making it a NULL tell, until I have some meta to go off of that suggests otherwise.

That's really what I wanted to hear. Thanks yo.

[NanookTheWolf]

Just want to share some thoughts of the players who are on kendall's bandwagon ...

k e n d a l l

(6)- SodaSpirit17, Umbrage, bobsnox, Ray Montano, nintendoaddict1, DonJosh,

Soda

- I don't really know what to say. Not enough content put into the game. V/LA until monday.

Umbrage

-Tunneling. Then I see this,

Glowball oozes town btw. Bobsnox is also scum, but

I doubt he's on the same team as kendall

. Everyone else is null and posting too much. Chill.

What's with the team bit? Any opinion as to why you feel bob is scum? You're pretty adament about kendall being scum. Any inside info?

bobs

- Tunneling as well. Voting kendall for,
1. Playing the newbie card.
2. Kendall's paranoia
3. Kendall trying too hard.

Not very solid reasoning for early game play, IMO.

Ray

-

Appears to be voting kendall more out of frustration from my POV. Content is appreciated. Actively scumhunting from what I can see in the beginning.

Nintendo

- Seems very annoyed with kendall's playstyle more so then being suspicious of her being scum. I don't really see anything concrete. Maybe opportunistic scum?

DonJosh

- I think he needs some more pressure,

Vote: DonJosh

. Although Bobs is still pretty high on my suspect list, DJ played opportunistic scum in his last post. Answered the five questions, hasn't added anything else to the game besides a vote for kendall with some battering.

Kendall

- She is who she is and that is that. Just an agressive player from my standpoint right now. Still not excused. Just feels she's more paranoid then scummy. Opinion could always change though.

Not trying to prod players, but am still waiting here from some of them. Some are being replaced I s'pose and what not.

Bath time!

[Ray Montano]

Any inside info?

I don't like this question. Asked to anyone by anyone.

[NanookTheWolf]

Any inside info?

I don't like this question. Asked to anyone by anyone.

What about it don't you like?

I'm just saying that Umbrage is just too sure that kendall is scum.

[Ray Montano]

I just feel questions like that can lead to role fishing.

[Hiraki]

Ray. Who else is scum?

[k e n d a l l]

@Ray

I disagree with part of this. I don't think kendall is in any position to be handing mafia easy mislynches, because I don't really think anybody's going to pick up anything she's said and run with it. That, however, is one of my problems with kendall. Because there's so much shit being thrown at the wall you can't trust that any of it has any weight because

two pages from now she's probably not even going to remember who she's been throwing shit at.

the problem with the bolded sentence is that it's pure speculation, not to mention completely wrong. when i see suspicious behavior, i note it in thread every time. as i've stated before, the purpose of this is so that i can keep a record of my thoughts. it's much easier to forget who i am suspicious of and why if i don't make note of it. as i've said before, it also provides the perpetrator to provide an explanation, while alerting town of the potential mafia slip up.

She's not handing herself a newbcard...so why are there people making excuses for her... She knows exactly what she's doing.

thank you so much, oh my god

@bobsnox

I want to see this lynch all the way through unless someone else practically claims scum.

why?
your vote was never explained, so why are you eager to see it through?
what makes me most likely to be mafia in your eyes?

@hiraki

Hey idiots. I don't do this very often. And when I do, I'm annoyed to do so because it's on the major point of WIFOM.

If K e n d a l l flips scum, you can lynch me tomorrow.

(lol he's protecting his scumbud so hard)

the thing that bothers me about this is that, as we all know, mafia members are aware of who is in the town. you seem to know 100 percent that i am town on day one, enough to stake your life in D2 for it.

it would be very easy for a mafia to say:
"

hey guys, if this player flips mafia, you can lynch me!"
because they know the player will absolutely not flip scum.


in retrospect, a townie does not know for certain what a player will flip, so making such a dramatic defense for a player in day one is confusing.

why are you so sure that i am town that you will stick your neck out for me?

@nintendo

Kendall is not playing the newbcard and not really behaving like a newb either.

Really? Look at kendall's first sentence in the thread:

blah blah blah, i'm new, let's go.

Looks like playing the newbcard to me.

that was a sarcastic remark to my drama in the sign-up thread. at first, scott wouldn't let me join the game because i'm new to the website.

i

am

new to this website
just not the game of mafia as a whole.

[Hiraki]

the thing that bothers me about this is that, as we all know, mafia members are aware of who is in the town. you seem to know 100 percent that i am town on day one, enough to stake your life in D2 for it.

and that is why I don't like doing it.

But I'm confident that you are town.

[Beefster]

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Vote: Beefster

i read the quote wrong and obviously can't edit.

beefster, explain yourself.

RVS. I played with him once. He was a cop. I was actually town, lol. End of story.

[Beefster]

VOTE: kendall

Very aggressive, when called out goes 'oh well this is the way I play making opinions known is protown' blah blah blah. He's trying to be Alpha Dog, and this early in the game I find that rather suspicious.

I agree with this sentiment.

[glowball]

VOTE: kendall

Very aggressive, when called out goes 'oh well this is the way I play making opinions known is protown' blah blah blah. He's trying to be Alpha Dog, and this early in the game I find that rather suspicious.

I agree with this sentiment.

Okay so I am assuming that you've caught up- if you agree, why no vote?

[bobsnox]

nanook - get your facts straight dawg. I DON'T think kendall is playing the newbie card. nintendo does, but he's using it out of context.

kendall - I did explain my vote. denying that basic truth is just bad.

Hiraki - can you give me an updated list of your top two or three suspects?

[Scott Brosius]

Rainbowdash replaces kondi2424

[Beefster]

Flavour Analysis' wall
I have a rather time-consuming job, so I can really only post a little on Thursdays, Fridays, Saturdays, and Mondays, though you should be getting more memorable posts on Tuesdays. Doing my best here

While I don't really agree with your reads, I really appreciate how well you explain yourself. No secrets here. Town++

It's too early to be bothered by loads of null reads, which I normally despise- I feel like it's a waste of time to give a list of players you're unsure about, though I find it a lot more suspicious when I see a player "analyze" the entire player list with mostly null reads halfway through day 2. That just reeks lazy scum.

Anyway...

I don't like kendall's interaction with Flavour. kendall: Scum++

I feel like kendall is too up in arms about everything and is afraid of getting lynched. Newbtown++, Scum++
But is also unusually aggressive... Scum++

a push vote is understandable, if it's retracted once the player has responded to satisfaction. however, i believe that it is anti-town to not vote for who you believe to be mafia. it serves the best interest of the town to be voting for who you think is most likely to be mafia. if you think someone is mafia, but vote for someone who you think is less suspicious, that could hurt the town. it makes no sense to vote for one person, when you believe someone else is more likely to be mafia.

Good point, but doesn't really count since it's a stock phrase... Newbtown++, Scum++

Words of Wisdom from mikehart
Note point Four.

Notable effort from mikehart Town++

maybe it could be considered WIFOM, but regardless it worked. i posted aggressively and have immediately been targetted by members under the assertion that i am "too pro town" i assure you at least one of them is mafia. i think bobsnox is mafia.

I have a TF2 analogy for you. Some allied sentries are under slight fire, so you see an Engineer approach a sentry from a really weird location. It looks helpful, but then a few seconds later, after momentarily looking away, you see a sapper on the sentry. Why didn't you shoot the obvious spy?

kendall appears to be the leader for scum points
VOTE: kendall

Meh. I'll get to pages 9-12 later. Good enough for now.

[Ray Montano]

Ray. Who else is scum?

Dumb question. Don't waste my time.

[Rainbowdash]

Ok everypony, a few of you had made this game very difficult to read since you post way to much filler, actually just one of you but the same problem exists. This person is also very likely town given a few of their posts, and you ponies would be much better off if you would listen to glowball more.

First things first.

Umbrage is scum, from out the gate he is scum

Very aggressive, when called out goes 'oh well this is the way I play making opinions known is protown' blah blah blah. He's trying to be Alpha Dog, and this early in the game I find that rather suspicious.

Being aggressive is not, nor has it ever been a scumtell but a playstyle tell. The fact that he is pushing this as a tell is in itself a tell. He continues to miss the fact that you actually need someone to push pace of a game too, or it has no direction and stalls out early. The game needs someone to take reigns, its better if that person is town, but I would rather be replacing into a game that scum did this then one where everyone sat around twiddling their hooves.

That's drenched in scumminess. Only scum care if it looks like they're buddying.

He misses another simple point here of scum only are nervous of being tied to other scum, so unless he is calling for a FA partner, this is very moot. Infact scum love it when they look like partners to town, so why is FA scum? This question goes to EVERYPONY who is harping on her for this null to town tell.

Glowball oozes town btw. Bobsnox is also scum, but I doubt he's on the same team as kendall. Everyone else is null and posting too much. Chill.

This one is argueably a scumslip even, as he is already assuming that we have two teams when I see nothing in the flavor that suggests a multi-scum setup. I would even say this is more likely a single scum faction setup for reasons that I do not wish to disclose at this point but will become obvious as the game progresses.

More scum reads to come tonight with all likelyhood. Probably in a few hours even.

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