Toy Story Mafia (Day 9)

[glowball]

I'd like your vote then please.

[Umbrage]

No bluff, I won't even fight it- but I know that you love it because I've nailed you

Seriously guys, get behind this. No joke, I don't want any hesistation

Lynch me.
Then lynch Umbrage, DonJosh, and Beck

I won't even fight the votes, I want this guy exposed for what he is. It's not VI, he's scum and if that isn't enough then lynch me.

Cool story bro.

Also lol at Beefster's "I'll lynch the winner of glowball/Umbrage".

[SodaSpirit17]

so glow, what do you think about Rainbow?

[glowball]

I have a town read on Rainbow, I think they came in strong and I agree with MOST of what they've said so far. Really not top on my scum radar. I've stated my top reads...

[Flavour Analysis]

@Beefster

:

You forgot? How about my other points in my #639? I’m going to assume you actually conceded to my points and just didn’t address them.

I like to use bullet points, but not for that, sorry. (I don't like to over-use bullet points) I am transparent, but I feel that is too big of a paragraph to put it all in bullet points. Plus I like it that way, it looks neat. I find Bullet points to be better to summarize main points, but that was me giving you my opinions in a paragraph manner. I will post reads further in a bit, in a much neater fashion.

Yes. 165, 268, and 373.

I don’t really like you vaguely asking about something I have explained many times, due to you not reading closely enough. Now tell me, from seeing those posts, what exactly didn’t you understand about my logic?

No, gut is not good enough. I’m sure you noticed something that gave you those vibes, can you at least point to a post or particular statement that made your gut go “OH NO DATZ BADDD”? Also, you had Snakeside as null, but then switched her to scum pretty quickly, what exactly made you change that?

No, I will not stop. I said I do make cases, but this is the way I scumhunt. I will not stay quiet.

[Flavour Analysis]

@

Glowball

: What do you think of Rainbow's recent play and actions?

[glowball]

@

Glowball

: What do you think of Rainbow's recent play and actions?

I just answered that.

[Flavour Analysis]

Oh, I thought you meant 'came in strong' as in when she replaced in, sorry. That's why I asked further. What exactly did you agree with?

[glowball]

Oh, I thought you meant 'came in strong' as in when she replaced in, sorry. That's why I asked further. What exactly did you agree with?

I agree with Rainbow's original reads, why?

[Flavour Analysis]

Because you stated you agreed with most of what she said so far, so I wanted to know what exactly you were referring to.

Btw, what is your read on Beefster?

[glowball]

I don't like his most recent post because exactly as he said, he's being wishy washy. Also, his little tid bit about the 2 scum factions, not that it isn't plausible or even likely I just don't know why people seem to be banking on it. There are large theme games with one scum team.

[Flavour Analysis]

I agree, I don't see why he would say that.

[Flavour Analysis]

July head here.

I'd rather not lynch DonJosh yet because of the fact that he possibly flaked, and I wouldn't want to lynch, say, a Town Cop because they couldn't claim before their lynch. Umbrage is a safer choice.

....how about a bobsnox?

You do realize your case on bob requires a scum flip from DJ, while its a semi-safe assumption, its an out of order lynch. Not at all a bad lynch (behind Umbrage, DJ,

Silver, Beefy and jmurph

), bigger fish to fry and connections need to first be made.

@diddin - We are not saying lynch him this page, although that would be *so awesome*, you don't go looking entirely elsewhere due to a possible flake.

Rainbow, I don't think I've seen your reasons for Silver, Beefy, and jmurph. Can you explain why these are good lynches and why all these are better than a bob lynch?

so Umbrage or DonJosh are the two leading wagons. My opinion? Both are great choices, so I want someone to tell me why one should be lynched over the other... Meaning: If you want Umbrage lynched, why is he scummier than DonJosh- and if you want DonJosh lynched why is he scummier than Umbrage. I could honestly go either way, although I think Umbrage might be a little more dangerous as scum.

But we've squashed this, and you need to put your vote on DonJosh or Umbrage those are the lynch choices for today

This is bad, deadline isn't until August 18th. We still have plenty of time to scumhunt and limiting the lynch options so early is not going to help that.

@

Hiraki

: Why did you keep your vote on MikeHart from your catch-up post until #608? The entire time you were pushing Ray and really never addressed MikeHart beyond your initial suspicions of "He unvoted and then only FoS'd one person. If he voted, that'd be cool. But he didn't." So why keep your vote there for so long?

Don't like #298, I understand it's supposed to express confidence in a town read but that's just as easy for scum to do as town.

Don't like #330 and and #611, writing off Umbrage as a vi and bobs as "usual bobsnox so it's okay". Same with #418 where your response to the DJ wagon is:

What're the points on DonJosh?

He seems like a cool dude.

FoS: Hiraki

I want to see more from you, especially more substantiation behind your scum reads. I see MikeHart and Ray, anyone else?

Hiraki

- Scum. Didn't like the kendall gambit. Not explaining his vote on mike beyond 'He's obvscum' even when asked. Also doesn't have the best reasoning.

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Ran reads:

Mb53

– Nullscum. His “Switch beck with Beef” towards Spy I didn’t like. I don’t see his reasons for Beef being town, and I didn’t like him choosing Beck, who should really be null. That point is connection based, and if Beef flips scum, than Mb53 is scum. Also, I didn’t like his fish for support on Peregine. He didn’t even wait long enough to see if everyone would have chipped in, and had only really dropped the push because Beefster stated he was town FOR NO GOOD REASON. I also didn’t like him asking about Spyrex giving bad vibes, because of ‘trying to take control of the town' theory, which he hasn't yet explained. *Still waiting* In fact, Spy, I want your thoughts on that after he explains himself.

Glowball

- Nullscum. I didn’t like her question to Ray about unvoting. Some people unvote when people replace out, so the replacee can redeem themselves. So I fail to see why she didn’t see that. She was also quick to call out Umbrage on deflecting, when he also brought up a good point that I want her to elaborate on. What about Hiraki’s defense on Bob? Also, Umbrage should answer her original question as well.

Beefy

– Scum. Doesn’t try to consider a person’s actions, instead picks sides, and doesn’t really give much thoughts on others (thus why I had to ask him for reads). He also states he votes knowing that he still has more content to read, and I don’t like that because he votes before someone (Ie: Me) even explains themselves, which shows he isn’t interested in what others say in defense, just in “Oh that’s a nice point, I like it” and sheeps.

Unvote Vote: Beefy

MikeHart is still scummy, both heads agree on this. We fully await his catch up and vote.
Both heads agree on Ray being town, and on Glow being nullscum.

[Hiraki]

I want to see more from you, especially more substantiation behind your scum reads. I see MikeHart and Ray, anyone else?

I made an entire list.

What the fuck.

It's not like I randomly made that list either.

@Hiraki: Why did you keep your vote on MikeHart from your catch-up post until #608? The entire time you were pushing Ray and really never addressed MikeHart beyond your initial suspicions of "He unvoted and then only FoS'd one person. If he voted, that'd be cool. But he didn't." So why keep your vote there for so long?

Because they're both scum?

No one was supporting a Ray wagon and I made it quite clear that I believe he's scum.

Don't like #298, I understand it's supposed to express confidence in a town read but that's just as easy for scum to do as town.

You spell null with one n, one u and two l's. Not with don't like.

Didn't like the kendall gambit.

Gambit?

What the fuck? I knew he was town because he's a fucking newbie town to the max. I read newbies like they are for breakfast.

Not explaining his vote on mike beyond 'He's obvscum'

even when asked.

Bullshit to the motherfucking max.

I'm generally pissed off at this post because it's all fake, rather than all real. It's actually atrocious and obv. kondi writing.

[glowball]

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Both heads agree on Ray being town, and on Glow being nullscum.

Ray, probably not scum although I wouldn't be surprised if he was 3rd party. The second part really caught my attention- I thought you guys as hydra would be able to see my alignment clearly....you've already played with "glowscum" and this is not even close.

[Ray Montano]

Or is it because I've nailed you and DonJosh as scum? Oh, I am right- hey let's try this. Push my lynch, watch my flip and then KILL UMBRAGE AND DONJOSH...it works for me. Also, throw Beck in there too- since neither one of them want to tell me why they think he's town.

This reinforces my read on glowball and perfectly fits in with what I said about her. But I don't think Umbrage came off any better.

For any clarification in case I get any idiotic "but he was your #1 eight pages ago!" Umbrage is my #1 and glow is my #2.

[Flavour Analysis]

Glow

: July had you as town that game. I had you as scum there. Here, I had you as null, because I have seen your recent play in other games. You wouldn't do the same as you did in your newbie. I have seen you attack plans even if it meant death to your slot, but the game is still ongoing so I don't really know what TownGlow would do. Your recent actions as I have explained, are why I feel you are null-scum. What do you think of the reasons I have presented?

Hiraki

: Why is Ray scum? Thoughts on Beefy?

[glowball]

Glow

: July had you as town that game. I had you as scum there. Here, I had you as null, because I have seen your recent play in other games. You wouldn't do the same as you did in your newbie. I have seen you attack plans even if it meant death to your slot, but the game is still ongoing so I don't really know what TownGlow would do. Your recent actions as I have explained, are why I feel you are null-scum. What do you think of the reasons I have presented?

I am calling for death to my slot right now! I mean if you think I am scum, I am really begging for my own lynch. I want to not be a distraction and I want you specifically to realize that I am so confident in my reads I'd sacrifice myself. Usually a ploy I know- but I am prepared to die without argument...on the condition that if/when I flip town you avenge me and take down Umbrage and DonJosh for sure.

[Flavour Analysis]

No. I'm much more confident in Beefy. If you are that confident in Umby and DonJosh, push for it. Convince us. Also, why did you state to 'throw in Beck' as well? Are you confident in that read?

[Rainbowdash]

Rainbow, I don't think I've seen your reasons for Silver, Beefy, and jmurph. Can you explain why these are good lynches and why all these are better than a bob lynch?

Actually I have explained Beefy and jmurph already. Both really haven't done anything that has changed my reads strongly although the recent move from Beefy drops him solidy out of todays lynch pool since I really don't see scum trying to lead a countercharge like this day one on someone who is viewed as town by most vocal people. Jmurph continues to bug me in his approach to Umbrage and DJ after what I feel was a scummy first few posts regarding RVS. Most of his stuff just seems to go with popular opinion, not enough to lynch him today but he is going nowhere on my radar.

Silver is probably a victim of working wierd double shift tuesday through thursday this week and next week, and not having my notes on me at all time. I would probably vote bob over silver given his reaction to my claim of kendall getting vigged still smelling slight town.

@Beefy - I am put in an awkward position early on with Umbrage and the two team slip. I saw a few things when looking at posts which suggest more than one scum team if my reads are correct. As I trust my reads, I believe more than one scum team. However I don't believe that Umbrage has this same information because of the timing of his comment, if he has reason to believe it, I can guarentee its not from the same source as mine.

If we end up for whatever reason lynching glowball over Umbrage or DJ it will take you dragging me kicking and screaming across the line, and I can pull really hard in the other direction when needed. The last few posts from Umbrage cause me to return to the better wagon.

Unvote
Vote Umbrage

[Hiraki]

Why is Ray scum? Thoughts on Beefy?

Lol. Don't want to.

no comment on Beefy yet, but I'm pretty sure I'm null on him.

[Ray Montano]

Why is Ray scum?

Lol. Don't want to.

I hope you try to go somewhere fun with this later.

[Flavour Analysis]

@

Rainbow

: I'm sure scum could do that, if they see others do the same (Ie:Diddin) What did you think of his FoS on you? Was it valid? What did you think of him being sure there are multiple factions? I just don't like that he picked sides when it came to me/kendall. He did that both times, and you know that his points system was bad. Would you lynch Mb53 ToDay?

@

Hiraki

:

[Beefster]

You forgot? How about my other points in my #639? I’m going to assume you actually conceded to my points and just didn’t address them.

Yes, I forgot. I rarely comment on posts in the order they were written; I'm a little scatterbrained. For example, I wrote this part after commenting on the next quote. So in the other post, I started from the middle, looked around and commented here and there, and ended up missing the two comments at the top. I can reconsider them if you want...

I like to use bullet points, but not for that, sorry. (I don't like to over-use bullet points) I am transparent, but I feel that is too big of a paragraph to put it all in bullet points. Plus I like it that way, it looks neat. I find Bullet points to be better to summarize main points, but that was me giving you my opinions in a paragraph manner. I will post reads further in a bit, in a much neater fashion.[/ooc]Really? It seems like a perfect time to be using bullet statements. Big paragraphs are rarely a good thing IMO, except in books.

A lot of people won't read intimidating paragraphs like that. You could have at least separated each player into their own paragraphs. I feel like you're trying to be cryptic without technically being cryptic. I try to keep paragraphs clear and defined and avoid going over 3-5 lines.

Yes. 165, 268, and 373.

I don’t really like you vaguely asking about something I have explained many times, due to you not reading closely enough. Now tell me, from seeing those posts, what exactly didn’t you understand about my logic?[/url]The linked posts actually explained things quite well. I skim, sorry.

No, gut is not good enough. I’m sure you noticed something that gave you those vibes, can you at least point to a post or particular statement that made your gut go “OH NO DATZ BADDD”?

Sorry, no. I'm not giving you any more fuel. Make your own cases.

I typically react to general patterns rather than specifics, and often times, I can't really explain why certain patterns disgust me until someone else finds the words I was looking for. It's rather inconvenient, as it often (incorrectly) makes me look like scum.

Also, you had Snakeside as null, but then switched her to scum pretty quickly, what exactly made you change that?

I said "null for now" due to lack of info on my end- then read them later and decided on a light scum read.

...this is the way I scumhunt...

Meta please.
You can't ask questions all the time, y'know.

[diddin]

Why are people voting glowball?

I've got a plan for these minigames. Every day we decide who's the most town. They will be the ONLY PERSON to answer the quiz question, and therefore get the power by default. If anybody else ends up with the power, they are scum and hang. That way we almost ensure the power goes into town hands.

Hiraki's defense of Umbrage is scummy.